Why would the VA or SSA Disability Departments lie to us the very people whom paid into the system? What reason would they give you for lieing directly to you an individual.

First the VA lied and saying they could not find my records from active duty or VA hospital records. Then, suddenly they came up with them once my congressman demanded them.

Secondly, now I found out today that my SSA Disability Office has lied to me equally as the VA did in the past.

About a year ago, I put in several written requests for a copy of my SSA records on file. The local SSA office told me there was only 4 or 6 pages in my file due to them being lost. I believed them because they are suppose to know about things related to disability.

Today, this morning my DAV Representitive told me she has a file 1 1/2 inches thick of pages in my SSA file given her last week. She said the file contains hundreds of pages of medical information on me. So, why would the local SSA office lie to me on several occassions and saying they had no such files on record?

Friends, no one lies to be lied to no matter what station in life you live. Whether you are a policeman, doctor, or judge no one likes to be lied to in this way.

So, my question is why have they lied to me all this time? What did they have to gain by lieing to me?

That is an excellent question, sometimes I get the feeling the people who work for these agencies consider that any monies that might be awarded will be deducted from their personal paycheck. The VA lied to me about my records when I had a Compensation and Pension (C&P) exam, apparently they did not like the doctors findings, so they ordered another C&P be done immediately. Lucky for me I had learned some of the rules and regulations by that point and I informed them that if that wanted a new C&P that is was to be performed by the same doctor or they would have to declare why that doctor was unfit, only to find out later that they tried to persuade that doctor to change his findings, but I was fortunate that he did not want a career with the VA and did not let them influence the truth, but had they succeeded, my family and I would be in a world of trouble. I was again left wondering where they find these types of people who are willing to work for these organizations knowing they are defrauding citizens when I tried to apply for SSDI. You see the VA decided that I should be removed from college, as I was no longer employable and increased my rating to 100% IU. I was completely shocked when Social Security turned me down twice before they finally, with the help of my Congressman, felt that since I was unable to work and therefore that I entitled me to some benefits. It is a scary world out there and you have to learn fast or be left without, that is why I feel these forums are so important.

Peace

1. It's easier to say that there are no records than look them up.
2. The SSA employee already had the months allotment of cases to deal with.
3. Sheer laziness.
4. Wrong time of the month or phase of the moon.

In other words, they did not feel like going through the effort.

In general, The VA and SSA (to a lesser extent) do not like to do anything that might result in a fully successful claim. Employees are generally judged on saving money, not spending it.

SSA will try to reduce any retro claim period if given the chance to do so.

I believe that the VA has a much more detailed review of cases that will likely result in an award than it does of those that will not. Further, there seems to be a part in the process that essentially is "how can we avoid an award on this claim".

Like I said many times they want to run the SSA and VA like a corporations. When, we retire from civil service or the military or become disabled while serving the government, we are of no further use to them. Just like any corporation, they want shed of us right away and, they do not want to pay us nothing either.

Yes, they do feel that the money they save the government, puts a big feather in their hats and they get bonus and raise higher in the government service. Until, they themselves become disabled, the people whom control the SSA and VA do not care one little bit about what happens to the ex-employee.

Once, they become disabled, they squeal the loudest because, they too become screwed by the very same system they help create.

Sometimes, you get to wander if the VA and SSA were created for pure political reasons and nothing more. Maybe these two system was never meant to help anyone out. It was created to appease those cridicts in Washington DC a long time ago when they protested the government was not helping out the poor disabled veterans.

The military talks a good game to get you into uniform and they play the spirit of America card and make you think you are doing your country a great favor getting into uniform. The whole time lieing their heads off in announcing what they are going to do for you while you are in service and what they are going to do after service for you. They remind me of a fast talking salesman and not telling the truth but, making the product sounding like something you absolutely cannot do without, just to make a dollar.

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[The military talks a good game to get you into uniform and they play the spirit of America card and make you think you are doing your country a great favor getting into uniform. The whole time lieing their heads off in announcing what they are going to do for you while you are in service and what they are going to do after service for you. They remind me of a fast talking salesman and not telling the truth but, making the product sounding like something you absolutely cannot do without, just to make a dollar.]

As I've told you before the people putting folks in the military (Recruiters) on the most part do not lie. Unlike most they are under alot of pressure to meet a number and until you have walked in their boots I wouldn't be saying that they lie. Yes they are trained to be salesmen as their job is to sell the military. I for one who did 4 years as a recruiter never liked the job and never lied to put anyone in boots. So until you've been there you don't know what you are talking about. Maybe you did get a bad deal but it wasn't all the recruiters fault, he could not hold your hand the whole time you were in the military. Sgt D

I could have been there because, I was ask one time to help another recruiter but, they told me they had a certain script you had to read and memorize. The script was already writtened out by the military and you could not put anything into the script (truth). Yes, you would have had to get a certain number of recruits into the military on a monthly basis. Just like any good corporation you must maintain a good supply of fresh souls for the military service. I never said or mean it the way you see it sir. I just want the truth to come out and let the soldier or future soldiers know what is in store for them once they put on the green uniform. There are going to be no parades with your name on fellow American lips. There is going to be no honor bestold upon you, there will be no proper medical care given to you once you become disabled. The doctors at most not all medical centers is next to nothing because, the doctors they hire are substandard at best. If they were good at their trade they would be making big bucks in a civilian hospital. Set it up like a pair of scales. One put the benefits and, the other side put down pit falls for all young men and women. Do not hide or keep information back from all new recruits. So, you were a recruiter, did you have the right to tell the prospective soldiers the real truth or did you also read from a prepared statement given by the Army? How many young men and women would have gone if they knew the hell they would have to live through once they become sick or disabled? If you told them and they said it does not matter then, there was definately something wrong here.

Think back to when you were a young man or woman. You think in your mind you are like superman or woman. Nothing harmful can touch you, you are smart, you are strong, and the military plays upon these thoughts. They train you to kill and have a hard heart and be Army strong. The is and always shaw be a psychology behind everything the military does. They have had over 200 years to practice their skill at getting the young men into their corporation.
What is the difference between holding back the truth or information. Or just plain lieing?

There never was and there is not a set script that recruiters have to go by. Yes there is an Army Regulation AR601-210 that governs how a recriter goes about his job, however it does not have a script to go by it's mainly how to fill out forms and the questions to ask in order to fill out the forms. I can see that by all your post you feel like that you've been screwed over and you may well have been. However saying that people lie in order to put people in boots makes us former recruiters not want to hear that crap. I will not carry on a discussion with you in order for you to keep putting out this garabge. I truly hope that some day you are able to get the help that you claim you are due. Sgt D

You will not change my mind sergeant and I will not change yours so shaw we call it a draw and all interested parties call it a night. When, I went to service I thought, "surely everything must be fair and above borad." Nothing is fair in the military system when, I was in for my ten years. It was mostly politics as usually. Whom got the bigger brown ring around their mouth got all the goodies. Those that did what they were told got nothing without kiss rump action others got the shaft. That is what the military taught me well. In the middle of the Vietnam Era soldiers got rank for being good, and doing what was told of them. By the time, I got in it was politics as usual and plenty of drugs if you wanted them. That the kind of bases they sent me to sergeant. I was almost killed several times for doing what was right, and obeying orders, not by the enemy but by fellow American sodiers

You know, I'm pretty sure I was lied to about my missing records from Bosnia. It took a long convoy to get over to Eagle base to get my eye checked and about 6 of those trips altogether. None of the records were there upon discharge and Ft Sam Houston said they didn't have them either. They sent me a copy of everything they had but it wasn't in there at all.

Now that the VA is constantly in the spotlight and sitting with a bloated budget, I think I might try again.

Sgt D, I was thinking about your recruiter comments and I have to admit, I never worked with a person holding a recruiter patch that I didn't like. They were always honest people that I liked working with and they all said the same thing, they didn't really like the job. They also swore up and down they never once lied to fill boots because of all the stories about that...big stigma.

However, in 1995, I was told that I couldnt go milintel, 96B I think, because I once got suspended in school and I would be getting arrested later in duty once the full background was done. I didnt know any better so the offered plan was 19K, then airborne after basic, air assault next, then when I got to my first duty station it would be straight to Ranger school.

Obviously, I had no friends in the Mil and no clue about the real process...19kilo getting Air or ranger? HA! not happening!

I know this is off topic but it did happen. Happened to my sisters fiancées just last year just before they met. If I recall, his blackhawk maintenance job was the starting point for him to be a blackhawk pilot in a few years. haha! I laugh at that now but it kinda burned him really fast. He wont be making a career of it.

lightertack

I hated recruiting and really missed being with the troops. When my time was up I got the hell out of there and went back to what I loved.
When I first went out on recruiting duty there was a big investigation going on were recruiters were giving folks a copy of the ASVAB test to study. The station I went to all but 2 recruiters were relived of duty and sent back to the Army. I was then made the Station Commander. I came in to the station one morning and one of the recruiters had about 10 guys sitting there going over the test with them. I turned around and walked out. Later on he was relived for I would not put up with that crap. I always said I wouldn't put anyone in the Army who I didn't want to serve with and folks who couldn't pass the test on there own were people I didn't want to have to train once they were in. I also belived in talking to troops and counseling them instead of writing them up for penny anty crap, The first unit I went to after recruiting, the NCO's would write someone up and never try to correct the problem without using the UCMJ, I had many arguments with them about doing there jobs and training and taking care of there troops. Most of them would never have been an NCO if they had been treated like they were treating there troops. Sgt D