I saw a video tape of WTC at WSMR.They had soliders pulling people on the ground by their necks on all fours.I tried doing that with my husband,he`s 175lbs, to my 130lbs.I couldn`t budge him.I was trying to pull him through grass,I think the video was showing a dirt field.Is it easier pulling someone on dirt, and do they let you pull someone close to your size?I lift weights all the time so I didn`t think I was a weakling,but I just couldn`t do this,any tips?
16169899; I dont think they were pulling them by their necks. there is a small loop on the battle gear between the shoulderblades used for low profile evac . if not use to seeing it in use you may think they are dragging soldiers by their necks . please look again and by all means share your vidio.
waht she saw was on youtube. One soldier would lay on his back and cuff his hands around the soldier neck who is on all fours over him/her. Then the soldier on all fours would drag the soldier on there back up the field. If this makes any since.
ok, sounds to me as if they are just trying to get hurt . that is not an athorized way to move an injured soldier or civilian. what the **** they trying to do.come on people I know the army is changing stuff but cant see that being one of the changes.check your common task manuals bet its not there. if its not in black and white then dont do it.
Originally posted by medicgoingcrazy: ok, sounds to me as if they are just trying to get hurt . that is not an athorized way to move an injured soldier or civilian. what the **** they trying to do.come on people I know the army is changing stuff but cant see that being one of the changes.check your common task manuals bet its not there. if its not in black and white then dont do it.
before you go telling anyone not to do anything, you better check it out yourself. it is part of the basic first aid field drills. Buddy(firemans) carry, 2 man lift,ect.....
[URL=C:\Documents and Settings\Sandy\Desktop\YouTube - WTC WHITE SANDS JAN-08.mht]C:\Documents and Settings\Sandy\Desktop\YouTube - WTC WHITE SANDS JAN-08.mht[/URL]I`m not sure how to send a link,but I`ll try,the video is on u-tube,titled White Sands Jan-08,about 3:27 into the video you can see soldiers clearly using their necks to pull people on the ground.When I tried this I felt a pain in the base of my neck,thought it best to stop until I find a way to strengthen that.It`s not something I`d normally work on at the gym.I`d really like to avoid getting hurt at WTC.I can run 2 miles with 3 minutes to spare,I can do 50 situps and 30 pushups.Still working on pull-ups,I`ve always done chin-ups for my workout,could do 4,the pull-up uses different muscles I`ve never worked before,same with this neck pull thing.
I just watched said youtube video. This is not a manuever I would try at home. The Army will show you how to correctly move someone in this manner. Just continue to work on your leg strength and upperbody strength. I am almost sure that the actual wieght distribution would be in these areas, not your actual neck. While this looked to be an unusual evac manuever, it seems to be rather effective. Hang in there, and remember what you see on youtube doesn't include the instruction time these soldiers had to sit through before attempting these things.
So don`t try this at home,copy sir.I`m 46 years old and I really would like to serve my country again,but I`m former Airforce,not sure if I have what it takes for the Army,I don`t want to be a liabilty out there.I`m going for helicopter repairer,I`ve been a civilian aircraft mechanic working for a large airline for 18 years,the Guard unit I want to join has Chinook helicopters,the Cadre there think I might have something to offer in the way of experiance,but I want to make sure I don`t get hurt in training,my present job requires alot of heavy lifting,standing long hours etc.Can`t afford to live on Army disability.If I get hurt in combat so be it,but getting hurt in training is just dumb.
When we did that at Santa Fe they told anyone with back problems not to do it but everyone else had to do it for a short distance. They also tried to match people up by size so it wasn't impossible to do.
This neck pull thing might be an effective evac method but it is not what is taught in Combat Lifesaver Course (subject in WTC). The ones you will be taught at Fort Sill, if you go there, are the cradle-drop-drag, fireman's carry, and packstrap carry...neither of which put strain on your NECK! It might put strain on other parts of the body!!!!!! Legs, back, shoulders, arms, knees, and feet; but not neck! There are more carrys out there but those are the most common.
LOL, while it may be an effective evac method, I can't truly see it working in a real life situation with full battle gear! It looks effective in a perfect situation such as what is shown in the video, but like Vargas says, there are certainly easier methods to move someone by. Forrest Gump it brother! LOL!
Oh for CHRISTS SAKES you bunch of over analyzing scaredy CATS!!! Disgraceful!! (put most delicately). It does NOT matter what you will be doing at WTC or anywhere else for that matter!! You will do it or fail! Come prepared mentally and physically for a challenge or DONT come at ALL!!! We are discussing NECK PULL NOW???? SERIOUSLY!!! Dont worry about it, if you are worried about it GO AWAY!! Your gona DO as TOLD!!
Single best bits of advice... Let GO your worries! Show UP with OPEN ARMS! Drink LOTS of water! and CUT OUT, as SOON as you get them, THAT STUPID, WORTHLESS LINER TO YOUR PT SHORTS!!! If someone had told me to cut out that F$*#) liner in advance... I would have DIED happy!!
Water, positive Attitude and ZERO liner in PT shorts is ALL you NEED to KNOW in advance about WTC!!!!
Tell us how you really feel Isotep. LOL! I agree that if you are going to join the military, shut your trap and do as you are told. Otherwise go work at McDonalds and have a nice day! It is a waste of time to complain, cuz you are still going to do what they tell you anyway, save your energy and just do it!
sp1d3r1 I dont remember seeing it in com-task manual or even being taught it in infantry school or medic training . So tell us what page it is on and what MOS is . I ve only been out fo 3 years and most my time was spent in a line unit as a 11B or 91B/W. Maybe I missed something or maybe your one of the NMNG that still has your head in your a$$ and thinks its fun to try to hurt soldiers just because they give you a slot as an instructor. Dosnt matter to me I'll be in and out of wtc so fast I wont have time to worry about it. Just need to go thru it to show the brass I still can do it even at 39.
805-W-2516 / First Aid 5 (Evacuate a Casualty) The proponent for this document is the U.S. Army Training Center Fort Jackson.
(2) Neck drag.
(a) Tie the casualty's hands together at the wrists with a field dressing (or any other improvised material) that will not cut or bind.
CAUTION: Do not tie so tightly as to cut off circulation.
(b) Straddle the casualty, kneeling in a face-to-face position.
(c) Loop the casualty’s hands over/around your neck.
(d) Crawling and looking forward, drag the casualty with you.
CAUTION: The neck drag is not to be used with persons with broken arm(s).
(3) Cradle-drop drag.
(a) With the casualty lying face up, kneel at his or her side. Slide your hands, palms up, under the casualty’s shoulders and get a firm hold under the armpits.
(b) Partially rise while supporting the casualty’s head on one of your forearms.
NOTE: Tell the students the following: You may bring your elbows together and let the casualty’s head rest on both of your forearms.
I guess that pop you just heard was you removing your head from your 5th point of contact. and you shouldnt be talking trash about stuff your not sure of. things change , thats why you need to go thru WTC to refresh. SEE YA HERE,AND I AM WITH THE NEW MEXICO GUARD.
sp1d3r1 well like I said maybe I missed something during training. As for the other seems as if you are trying to say you will make sure WTC is extra hard for me when I get there. The reason I say the stuff about the NMNG is I seen how they acted at knox and I seen the BS they tried to pull with soldiers. You can take it personal if you want. We can hash it out with you FSgt and CO when you start being an A$$. I have to much time in service to deal petty BS to save face.
Originally posted by medicgoingcrazy: sp1d3r1 well like I said maybe I missed something during training. As for the other seems as if you are trying to say you will make sure WTC is extra hard for me when I get there. The reason I say the stuff about the NMNG is I seen how they acted at knox and I seen the BS they tried to pull with soldiers. You can take it personal if you want. We can hash it out with you FSgt and CO when you start being an A$$. I have to much time in service to deal petty BS to save face.
of course i took it personel. you can take any way you want.You sound like your paranoid. We will treat you as you deserved to be treated. have an attitude, get treated as such. just remember you are a student, stay in your lane. If you got a gripe , please take it up your chain of command.and then you can come to me.then I will take it to the Co if need be.I dont talk crap about you being from Indiana, so dont talk crap about us.and it is spelled 1sg
