Howdy,
My ship date for WTC was today. I was all set for Sill and to start WTC 20081121. Showed up to MEPS at 0500. Had my Med Inspect. They start to get my packet in order to ship and then I was told that I do not have to attend WTC. I said I need to see this in writing so here is the info.
The following only applies to Army Reserve and National Guard.

I have a copy of the USAREC Message in front of me. I do not want to type the hold thing tonight so will only type the main part.
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SUBJECT: UPDATE Operational changes to AR 601-210 dated 7 Nov 2007, Army Reserve Warrior Transition Course (WTC)
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5. USAREC MESSAGE 09-011 is rescinded. Dated 23 Oct 2008

6. Delete para 3-19 b(1), 3-19 b(2) and 3-19 b(3). Delete para 5-16 (f)

7. Add the following para 5-16 c: For USAR and ARNG only, the following requirements apply.
a. Prior Service applicants must meet the basic eligibility requirements outlined in AR 601-210 Chapter 3. PS Applicants that have not completed Army basic training (BCT), Warrior Transition Course (WTC), or Marine Corps basic training (BCT) during any of their previous military service will be required to attend WTC within 180 days following enlisment into the Army Reserve or Army National Guard. PS applicants that have previously completed an Army BCT or USMC BCT will not be rquired to attend WTC, regardless of length of separation.
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My Honorable Discharge form the Army was in 1988 and I am not going to WTC. Wish I would have known this a week ago.

Good luck and Godspeed,
Ozzy

This message has been edited. Last edited by: ozzy37F,

I wouldn't want to retype the whole thing either. Good luck and best wishes!

Too bad on the WTC thing, I hear it's a lot of fun.

Roger that. I was looking forward to the refresher. Have been reading this site since Jan and getting ready.

The reason I posted this info is because it would have been nice to have known a few weeks before. That way I would not have had to cancel some work stuff. So hopefully this will help someone else.

Am still set to go to other training in Dec for 9 weeks.

This is a NEW message, but an OLD subject!

The Nov08 message rescinds a previous message from Oct08 that did not mention those who've attended Army/USMC BCT, and enlisting into the ARNG/USAR do not need to attend WTC.

Those going into the ARNG/USAR from prior services must attend, and if going Active Duty from any prior service must attend.

The message corrected information left out.

You're recruiter should tell you if you need according to AR 601-210. ARNG has their own Enlistment Criteria Manual until the new updated AR 601-210 is published... hopefully in the next month.

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I understand. I will scan in the document and try to paste. That way you will have what they gave me.

I see we cannot attach documents to a post. i used my scanner to convert the letter to a word doc. i then pasted here. I can also email or fax the USAREC message in my hand.

Airborne All The Way!
Ozzy
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Copy Of USAREC MSG WTC.tXt
USAREC MSG 09-XXX

131800 October 2008 (EST) USAREC MESSAGE 09-XXX

From: Headquarters USAREC
To: All Recruiting Personnel

SUBJECT: UPDATE Operational changes to AR 601-210 dated 7 Nov 2007, Army Reserve Warrior Transition Course (WTC).

1. This is an immediate message and requires dissemination to all recruiting
personnel.

2. This message is valid for two years from date of publication unless
rescinded or superseded.

3. References:
a. AR 601-210, Regular Army and Army Reserve Enlistment Program (with
operational changes), dated 7 Jun 2007.
b. UR 601-96, Appendix Q-3, Guidance Counselor Procedures, dated 20 Nov 2007.

4. USAREC message 08-074, Additional changes to AR 601-210 dated 7 June 2007.

5. USAREC message 08-064, rescheduling procedures for warrior Transition
Course (WTC)• Dated 25 Feb 2008

5. USAREC Message 09-011 is rescinded. Dated 23 Oct 2008

6. Delete para 3-19 b(l),3-19 b(2) and 3-19 b(3). Delete para 5-16 (f)

7. Add the following para 5-16 c: For USAR and ARNG only, the following
requirements apply.

a. Prior service applicants must meet the basic eligibility requirements
outlined in AR 601-210 chapter 3. PS Applicants that have not completed
Army basic training (BCT), warrior Tansition Course (WTC), or Marine
Corps basic training (BCT) during any of their previous military service
wil1 be required to attend WTC within 180 days following enlistment into
the Army Reserve or Army National Guard. PS applicants that have previously
completed an Army BCT or USMC BCT will not be required to attend WTC,
regardless of length of separation.

b. PS applicants requiring WTC must attend WTC within 180 days of enlistment
into the Army Reserve or Army National Guard. Army and ARNG GC will
schedule a WTC date at time of enlistment for those PS applicants that
require WTC.

c. GC must immeadiately scrub all AR PS that have a WTC date to ensure that
WTC is still required, if it is determined that WTC is no longer required,
the GC will cancel the WTC date IAW USAREC Message 08-064.

edited by RakkasanDragon per TOS

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Wow....so...I am now confused??? I am passing this on to my recruiter....

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Originally posted by ocalavader:
Wow....so...I am now confused??? I am passing this on to my recruiter....

If you are going into the guard or reserve, this pertains to you. If not, disregard.

It's simple guys/gals... SOLDIERS!

If you've attended Army/USMC BCT and enlisting into the ARNG/USAR... You don't do WTC UNLESS going Active Duty.

If you're prior service from another branch... You'll attend WTC in place of BCT.

There are only a couple things that kill me about this message. First the year of the message is 09 (but that is according to fiscal year) but after that that ACTUAL message number is XXX. Even in the message it refers back to USAREC MESSAGE 09-011, so where's my message number. Second this message is dated 13 OCT 2008 at 1800 hours Eastern Standard Time and cancels out a message not even created yet "Dated 23 OCT 2008". So lets cancel something that we have no idea about and exsists 10 days in the future. If you can get me the numbers that exsist for this message I will look it up

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USAREC MSG WTC

Don't you know by now that the Goverment has the ablity to travel through time?

Joking aside. I am looking at the hardcopy. Whats posted is whats on the paper printed for me at MEPS, except line #8 was deleted my the MOD because it had the point of contact phone number and the name of G3.

Not knowing USAREC's SOP on assinging message numbers your guess is as good as mine on why it was done this way. I can tell you that the Master Sgt that printed this out wrote on the paper "08064". Which I now see that has to do with USAREC message 08-064, rescheduling procedures for warrior Transition
Course (WTC). Dated 25 Feb 2008.

Good luck trying to understand why the Army does what it does.