My boyfriend is at Fort Sill right now. He was supposed to go to New Mexico for WTC, but his class ended up staying at Sill. I haven't heard from him in a while and I was just wondering when he will be coming home? The last time I spoke with him he said he'd heard a rumor about NG being able to leave on Sept. 28th...is that true? If not, when is graduation and when can I expect to see him? Thanks.

do you know what the class number is? Or the start date?

He left for Fort Sill on Aug. 5 and was supposed to go to NM afterwords, but I guess they were too full so he had to stay behind? Anyway, his class is doing WTC at Fort Sill right now. I don't know the number, but he started around the end of Aug. or beg. of Sept. I know that isn't much, but does anyone know anything about when that class will be done?
Thanks so much!

if i knew who he was i could tell ya.

that should be class 015 with a start date of 31aug and a grad date of 28sep.

Thank you so much!

I got a letter today stating graduation will be Oct. 3rd. What is the reason for having these guys sit there for 5 days on pass? I am just really discouraged about this whole situation. My bf left on Aug. 5 and was supposed to be home on Sept. 7, obviously...he's still gone. So much for orders. His pay has been screwed up since he left. We've gotten no housing or anything so I have been trying to support our family on half of the income we are used to. He went in to get it taken care of today and they will not accept a birth certificate for our daughter to be added as a dependent. Why? The woman he spoke to told him she needed a court order stating he had full custody or a paternity test. For one, we LIVE together so we have NO court order because we don't need one. As for the paternity test...I personally find this insulting. I know who the father of my child is and I am not paying for a piece of paper to prove it. We have a birth certificate which cannot get issued with out a paternity affidavit in the first place. So why are we getting pushed around on this? I am very new to the whole military thing, but I sincerely thought it were more organized then this. Had we been receiving the pay we were supposed to be I may have been able to afford a last minute plane ticket to come see him graduate, but because of the pay being messed up and it being last minute, that is just not possible. I just wish we would have been better informed about all of this. And if I had known when graduation was a month ago I may have been able to find a plane ticket for less than $600. Is anyone else having problems with WTC or does anyone have any suggestions on what to do about the whole dependent thing? I feel as though I have been dealt some very sh@@ty cards so any advice would be very much appreciated at this time as I am very upset about the whole situation.

Another thing too...didn't the guys at WSMR start Sept 2? I might be wrong about that, but if I am not...how did they graduate today and then my bf who finally got to start Aug. 31 still has a week to go? Lastly, I just spoke with my bf again and he was informed that they will not accept our mortgage paperwork either because his name is not on it. What is that all about? The mortgage may be in my name only, but we live together and he is the one paying for the house. Why was this not accepted? All I have been reading on these pages is that you need birth certificates and proof of mortgage payment, etc. I provided this for him today and they won't take it. I only have a part time job and 2 kids to feed...and MyPay doesn't even show any income coming in this Friday. Anyone else having problems??? Also, isn't he supposed to receive separation pay or something after a month? I know you probably have to have a dependent for that, but he does if they ever accept the dang birth certificate. I am just starting to get a little uneasy about it all since it's been almost 2 months now and I feel we were not very well taken care of at all. Even from the start...he had like 2 hours to get his stuff together to leave. NOT nice notice. We were not prepared for this and nothing has gone the way we were told it was going to.

I know your frustrations. My husband just graduated today and we just got paid 3 days ago! To top it off he still doesn't have his orders. We know where we are going because they generated a list last week for the soldiers to sign acknowledging their duty stations. He's regular/ Active Army. BUT without orders I can't call the movers or ship the car or anything!! So basically he's gonna sit there at WSMR until his orders are ready and I'm over here with the kids just waiting to get plane tickets so we can meet him at this next Duty station. We are overseas and everything is run differently as far as shipping and flights. They even told him not to come straight home or it will be on his own expense. He has to go straight to his duty station and send for us. He hasn't gotten his bonus yet or no Leave Earning Statement for his first and ONLY paycheck so far. I don't know when he's going to get paid again.
-For your situation, it's hard when you aren't married to get anyhting paid for. I heard about the Army reputation of not caring for families and leaving them in the dust once the soldier leaves so I gave my husband a copy of his custody documents for his kids because I knew some crazy thing would happen. The recruiters don't know Sh*T!!! Sorry you have to go through this. You have to tell your BF to request to go see finance and they will issue a "COMFORT PAY" if you haven't gotten paid for over two or three weeks I think. We also haven't received Family Separation pay either. Just hang in there. Try to be patient especially w your bf. It's not his fault and he can't do anything about it. They literally give these guys NO TIME to do anything. That's probably why the Army has that reputation. Any Drill Sergeants out there that can help with these "ARMY WIVES" questions????
1.) What's the longest after graduation that a soldier has had to stay at WSMR waiting for orders???
2.)Is there any person that she can call to help her w/ her situation (No pay, etc..)?

your bf is in the field as we speak, sent word for him to call u as soon as possible.

Thank you very much. I want you to know I really appreciate you doing that, but I guess that was not the answer I was looking for. My bf knows what is going on and he has tried to take care of it, but finance didn't help him at all. I am getting the impression that since they inprocess all the bct guys as well that they just don't really put a lot of time into one individual problem. I understand they are probably very busy and very understaffed, but I hope they know there are families out there counting on the pay being accurate. I sent them a fax yesterday and they managed to lose it in a 10 minute time frame.

I don't mean to come across as someone with nothing but complaints so please don't take my posts the wrong way. I am just looking for anyone who can give me some answers as to why a birth certificate and mortgage statement is not enough to start getting some BAH. And...is it really necessary for him to have to stay another 5 days after training is completed since he is NG and only coming straight back home after this? And yes, of course I ask that because I miss the guy, but mostly I am asking from a realistic stand point. We are losing money with him being there. Our savings is wiped out and the sooner he gets home the better. So, with that said, any suggestions??

Thanks!

since you are " a girlfriend" ,and not a wife,
the army doesnt need to take care of you.
and if your going through these withdrawls with out him now , just wait until he gets deployed. oh. boy......

I agree with you sp1d3r1. Funny how the Army respects the institution of marriage, when the rest of the country does not. Go figure.

I do feel for the lady though, this guys needs to marry this lady, or move out.

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Originally posted by 15284073:
Another thing too...didn't the guys at WSMR start Sept 2? I might be wrong about that, but if I am not...how did they graduate today and then my bf who finally got to start Aug. 31 still has a week to go? Lastly, I just spoke with my bf again and he was informed that they will not accept our mortgage paperwork either because his name is not on it. What is that all about? The mortgage may be in my name only, but we live together and he is the one paying for the house. Why was this not accepted? All I have been reading on these pages is that you need birth certificates and proof of mortgage payment, etc. I provided this for him today and they won't take it. I only have a part time job and 2 kids to feed...and MyPay doesn't even show any income coming in this Friday. Anyone else having problems??? Also, isn't he supposed to receive separation pay or something after a month? I know you probably have to have a dependent for that, but he does if they ever accept the dang birth certificate. I am just starting to get a little uneasy about it all since it's been almost 2 months now and I feel we were not very well taken care of at all. Even from the start...he had like 2 hours to get his stuff together to leave. NOT nice notice. We were not prepared for this and nothing has gone the way we were told it was going to.

As stated by the DS above, the Army doesn't need to take care of you, because you are not married to your boyfriend.

Without a mortage or lease agreement with his name on it, he cannot receive the full BAH since he is single. This is the sad, honest truth about single parent soldiers in the military. The red tape is long, obscure, and very unfair to single soldiers with dependents.

I'm guessing the birth certificates you're talking about are ones for children that are his? And you're trying to get BAH for those dependents? Well I have sad news for you here, too:

Unless he has a judicially-signed paternity test to go along with those birth certificates for children out of wedlock, DEERS won't accept the certificates as proof of dependents. Secondly, he won't even qualify for any BAH, even BAH-diff, without a court order stating that he is paying child support.

BAH-diff is for single soldiers with child dependents that they pay child support for. It's not even a great amount, either. But this is the very minimum he could possibly get without being married to you or a mortage and/or lease agreement with his name on it.

If you want the K.I.S.S. method for getting some BAH, you should take your mortage with your name on it, buy a generic lease agreement from Office Depot. Fill out the lease like your boyfriend is renting the house from you (since he's paying the mortage apparently). Sign it and have a notary sign off on your signature. Then fax it to your boyfriend, and he will have to do the same thing at JAG. Sign it, and have JAG notarize it.

He can then take that lease agreement to the NG liason and they can get his BAH started based off that lease agreement. This is perfectly legal.

How did you guys only get a couple hours notice that he was leaving? He didn't know beforehand that he would be going to MEPS to sign his contract and ship that day? Sounds a little odd, especially for a NG soldier.

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Originally posted by sp1d3r1:
since you are " a girlfriend" ,and not a wife,
the army doesnt need to take care of you.
and if your going through these withdrawls with out him now , just wait until he gets deployed. oh. boy......

Not withdrawals. I am fine with him gone, but it is perfectly normal for me to miss him and I do NOT feel I was wrong to say that. I am also well aware that he could be deployed. I also was not asking the army to take care of "me". I was asking the army to take care of this soldier's "family". Just because we aren't married doesn't mean we aren't a family.

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Originally posted by Oldervet:
I agree with you sp1d3r1. Funny how the Army respects the institution of marriage, when the rest of the country does not. Go figure.

I do feel for the lady though, this guys needs to marry this lady, or move out.

I have a lot of respect for the institute of marriage. I have been married. That unfortunately ended very badly and I am not wanting to do it again. However, should I not be able to move on with my life? Also, this guy DOES want to marry me...I said No.

Nangasaur...Thank you for your advice. I actually spoke with someone today that was very helpful too. We are making a lease agreement. I did hear differently about the birth certificate though. I was told it was acceptable since we have a paternity affidavit. So, this should all be getting taken care of now.

I just have to say..I posted a comment on here to get help with my situation, not to feel attacked. So don't look down on me because I am not married to the guy. All I have seen from the military has sent us in the mail is about meetings to go to about marriage. They are so worried people jump into it and yet discriminate against the ones that take their time entering into it.

Thanks

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Originally posted by 15284073:
I was told it was acceptable since we have a paternity affidavit. So, this should all be getting taken care of now.

Do you mean it's just basically a sworn document stating "I am the father. Yes, he is the father."?

Unless DEERS has changed their policy in the last 6 months (when I had to get my daughter enrolled in DEERS - child out of wedlock), they absolutely require a judicially signed paternity test.

I had to go spend $60 on a copy of my court record with the paternity test and judge's signature approving the results + child support agreement.

I'm glad you got the same advice about the lease agreement A SGM recommended I do that when I was going through some similiar problems in getting my BAH started. It made the entire process exponentially easier.

Yeah it's kind of like that. In Iowa you need a paternity affidavit to be entered on the birth certificate if you aren't married. So you actually went and paid for a paternity test? Did they reimburse you? I think it's pretty crummy to have to pay for a test when we already have a sealed birth certificate. How much did it cost you, if you don't mind my asking?

Also, like I said earlier...we don't have a court order stating he has full custody or pays child support and I wouldn't really know how to go about that because we LIVE together. We share custody of her. What would we need a court order for? It just doesn't make any sense. I could see if we weren't together then yes, of course,there would be an order bc he would have to pay support.