Yeah, thanks, I appreciate it.

I'm on alert for going to MEPS. They will call me AS SOON as there is a slot. So no delayed entry program for me. Funny thing is, I will be going to boot camp THE DAY I enlist...so that could very well be next week...or maybe 3 months. No telling.

He said he'll give me the call and I can take it or leave it. Leaving it at this point isn't much of an option.

He said being that I'm on this kind of status...then gives me priority over DEP kids for someone who is ready to go to boot camp on a moments notice. So I could go whenever.

Infantry slots are weird with them....one might not be available...but a 5 year option could very well be. Kinda iffy, but i'd probably still sign it. I have to choose an MOS field regardless...so if it's not available then I'm gonna end up doing something else. Cos there is no way im going back to the reserves at this point

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Originally posted by SyEnTiFiK:
Yeah, thanks, I appreciate it.

I'm on alert for going to MEPS. They will call me AS SOON as there is a slot. So no delayed entry program for me. Funny thing is, I will be going to boot camp THE DAY I enlist...so that could very well be next week...or maybe 3 months. No telling.

He said he'll give me the call and I can take it or leave it. Leaving it at this point isn't much of an option.

He said being that I'm on this kind of status...then gives me priority over DEP kids for someone who is ready to go to boot camp on a moments notice. So I could go whenever.

Infantry slots are weird with them....one might not be available...but a 5 year option could very well be. Kinda iffy, but i'd probably still sign it. I have to choose an MOS field regardless...so if it's not available then I'm gonna end up doing something else. Cos there is no way im going back to the reserves at this point

If you get stuck in an MOS you dont like the reserves may look like the hot ex girlfriend down the road. If you know what I mean. It sounds to me that the Marine recruiter will stick you in any slot they can. Seeing as your desire to get away from the Army is so intense. I would be damn sure I got a job I could tolerate for however long your contract is. The Army has some screwy regs right now(not allowing PS in), but in a year or two that could change. I know that's a year or two you can't/don't wanna wait.

I hope it works for you. You seem motivated and ready to go. I would've loved to have you in my team a few years ago when I was a teamleader. Good luck and don't waste anytime.

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Originally posted by SyEnTiFiK:
Honestly, I think I'm just going to go forth with the Marines. Prior service with them is the EXACT same as being a new recruit. Which is good for me because I had little to no options when Army was excepting prior service.

Whatever you decide to do I wish you the best of luck!

If anyone has any questions regarding current enlistment in the Army let me know and I will get you the answers. I am currently going through Recruiting school so I am at the source.

The Army is now very competitive again to enlist, due to the increase of recruits. The recruiters are not making things up they are not taking PS along with people with GED and several other different stipulations. Things can change from one day to the next.

Good luck.
Army Regulation 601-210

We always appreciate input from those on Recruiting Duty.

I'm moving this Discussion over to the Army Wannabe Forum.

Been checking the usarec facebook page new business rules are in:
Topic: Prior Service Business Rules- Dated 15 Feb 2011Reply to Topic.Displaying posts 1 - 30 out of 48.12.US Army Recruiting Command (USAREC)
Prior Service (PS) enlistments into the Regular Army (RA)

1. This is an immediate message and requires dissemination to all recruiting
personnel.

2. This message is valid for 2 years from date of publication unless sooner
rescinded or superseded.

3. References:

a. Army Regulation 601-210, Regular Army and Army Reserve Enlistment
Program, (with Operational changes), dated 7 June 2007.

b. Department of the Army Memorandum, Prior Service Accessions Business
Rules for Grade Determinations, dated 28 September 2010.

c. USAREC message 10-021, Operation Blue to Green Enlistment Program,
dated 6 November 2009.

d. USAREC message 11-074, Prior Service (PS) enlistments into the
Regular Army (RA), dated 13 January 2011. (Rescinded)

4. The purpose of this message is to announce new guidance on Prior Service
(PS) enlistments into the Regular Army (RA). Administrative reduction is no
longer authorized to fill a vacancy.

5. Effective 22 February 2011, PS enlistments in all Skill Levels, to include
Soldiers from Sister Services applying for the Blue to Green (B2G) Program, are
restricted by critical MOS exception according to Human Resource Command (HRC)
Accessions Business Rules. This policy does not affect those PS already in
Delayed Status (DS). No reductions in pay grade will be favorably considered,
no exceptions.

6. This policy affects Glossary NPS (DOS) enlistments in pay grade E-1 thru
E-4. Applicants with 179 days or less on Active Duty are considered to be DOS
NPS applicants for the purpose of enlistment into the Regular Army. Applicants
who never shipped to training and have ZERO days of service may apply for an
exception to policy thru Enlistment Eligibility and Processing Division.

7. The HRC Business Rules will be updated monthly by HRC (see part II of this
message).

a. Applicants in grade E-5 and above must submit a formal electronic
request for grade determination to CG, USAREC IAW with AR 601-210, Chapter 3-17.

b. If applicant is MOS qualified in an MOS listed for his/her pay grade in
paragraph 1a of the HRC business rules; approval will be granted in his/her
grade in current PMOS.

c. If applicant is not MOS qualified for a MOS listed for his/her pay grade
in paragraph 1a, then grade will be approved to retrain in an MOS listed in
paragraph 1b of the HRC business rules for his/her pay grade.

d. Applicants in pay grade E-4 and above who hold MOS 18B, 18C, 18D, 18E,
18F, 37F, 42R, 42S, 46Q, or 46R can request an exception to the Business Rules.
Send exception request thru GCR as a grade determination. Exceptions are not
always favorably considered.

8. If an applicant does not hold the grade and MOS that has an open vacancy
listed in paragraph 1a of the Business Rules and there are no retraining
vacancies in current grade listed in paragraph 1b of the Business Rules, request
for grade determination for the purpose of enlistment in the RA will not be
favorably considered due to lack of vacancies in MOS and grade.

9. Point of contact for this message through your chain of command is Policy
Branch, USAREC HQS.


PART II

MEMORANDUM FOR U.S. Army Recruiting Command (RCRO-EEP), Ft Knox, KY 40121.

SUBJECT: Prior Service Accession Business Rules for Grade Determinations
(ref AR 601-210)

1. This memorandum supersedes the memorandum dated 3 January 2011 and provides
new guidance to USAREC in the vacancies that may be filled. These Business
Rules are all encompassing for Prior Service (PS) vacancies. The following
vacancies are available provided the applicant is otherwise qualified.

a. Vacancies by grade and MOS:

(1) Grades E-1 thru E-4 - 11C, 14T, 15Q, 35L, 35P (language dependent),
68M, 89D.

(2) Grades E-1 thru E-4 - AIRBORNE qualified only - 12B, 12Y, 13T, 25S,
35F, 35L, 35N or 91F.

(3) Grade E-5 - 35F, 35L, 35N or 35P (language dependent) or 91F.

(4) Grade E-6 - no vacancies.

(5) Grade E-7 - no vacancies. Changes monthly based on the needs of
the Army.

(6) Grade E-8 - no vacancies. Changes monthly based on the needs of
the Army.

(7) Grade E-9 - no vacancies. Changes monthly based on the needs of
the Army.

b. If no vacancy exists, the following MOSs will be used for retraining:

(1) Grades E-1 thru E-4 - 18X.

(2) Grade E-5 - no vacancies.

(3) Grades E-6 and above - no vacancies.

c. If applicant holds the grade and MOS that is listed in paragraph 1a
above, the applicant will enlist for Option 18, (U.S. Army First Assignment);
Prior Service Accession Branch (USAREC) will validate MOS qualifications.

2. For applicants who require a grade determination, Prior Service Accession
Branch (USAREC) will determine the enlistment grade as follows:

a. Applicant must enlist in the Delayed Status within 30 days of final
grade determination. He/she must understand that the vacancies constantly
change; if the grade determination expires prior to enlisting into the Delayed
Status, they could be subject to disapproval.

b. If applicant does not hold the grade and MOS that has an open vacancy
listed in paragraph 1a above and there are no retraining vacancies in current
grade listed in paragraph 1b above, he/she will not be granted accession at this
time. Administrative reduction is no longer authorized to fill a vacancy.

c Training opportunities exist for MOSs and grades listed in paragraph lb
above, however, training is limited. Once all training seats have been filled,
the NCOIC of the ROC will send an email out to all BN Operations and Senior
Guidance Counselors notifying them of this information.

3. All PS applicants that hold an ASI may submit for an exception to policy
without regards to the listed MOS vacancies in paragraph 1a above. Not all
exceptions are favorably considered.

4. Point of contact for this message through your chain of command is Policy
Branch, USAREC HQS.



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To trim the fat it looks like if we're Are PS, not mos qualified and E1-E4 the only option right now is 18x...... Dayum my paperwork needs to hurry up

^^^ Yeah the other thing is if you enlist 18X as Prior Service and don't make it to graduation the rumor is Discharge back to the street. So 18X is not a guaranteed in......you actually have to graduate the program.

Definitely would need to be careful with that. It sucks, but at the same time makes alot of sense that people wont be using this as a backdoor in to a "needs of the army" mos. I still have another 4 months or so waiting on paperwork.... would hate to have to fight another discharge... luckily the strength is there, just working on the endurance part of it...