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Basic Training |
Question: Can one get legitimately recalled by Command while on leave out of state for unplanned "All hands meetings or mandatory training or field days?" (And yes I've looked for the answer in the Pubs and Mans and didn't find anything conclusive.)
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Basic Training |
Good question. I am answering based only on my experience. It depends, meaning that if your unit get orders to deployed, to get underway or otherwise, then yes you better find the quickest way back to your unit. Now, if it is an all hands training, my undestanding is that whoever keep records as to who is on leave and who is present should inform the training person that X amount of people are on leave, then when you come back, you will take the training.
More times than none the unit will inform everyone at the unit of training that is coming up so that they can maximize participation. Now, when you put in for leave the unit is supposed to check if there is something coming up during your leave also. Every unit is different in regards to that so better get with your chief and find out how that particular unit addresses that. Better be safe than sorry, I would get the final word way before I go anywhere out of state. |
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Basic Training |
1. Not a mobile or underway unit. and 2. When leave was submitted then subsequently approved, training was not scheduled on the calendar. |
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Basic Training |
I think I found it in the DOD Directive 1327.5, Leave and Liberty, though it's still a little vague.
It reads: All officers in command, major headquarters, and the Military Departments shall ensure that secondary and nonessential efforts that might prevent an aggressive leave program, though they may be desirable in themselves, are not imposed, coupled with matching reductions in less important programs, or suspended. To obtain maximum benefit from the objectives of annual leave programs, commanders shall provide Service members the opportunity to take frequent periods of leave, including whenever possible, at least one extended leave period each year of approximately 14 consecutive days in length or longer. 7.5. When Service members are on authorized leave and it becomes necessary to recall them to duty for reasons of military necessity, the period of absence shall not be charged to the leave account when the period between departure on leave and the Service member's receipt of the recall to duty is 72 hours or less. The remaining time of absence shall be considered travel time unless it is determined that the Service member's absence was in excess; then, the entire absence shall be charged as leave. |
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Member |
I'd say yes they can. Anything that is granted can be recinded. Hopefully this is not a current situation and you are sitting on leave and out of state seeking guidance from the internet. You question will be better served when you are back at your unit and your ask your chain of command or Command Master Chief. |
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Basic Training |
No CMC, I'm not on leave. (that would be ironic)However, the pubs do state that Leave is Earned and a Right, not a privilege. |
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Freedom of epeech is also a right. And when you call the Captain or Chief an SOB, that right doesn't protect you from your actions. This is one of those threads that starts with a single question, built around an agenda that is hidden just like your profile. If you are not willing to put the whole story out there or have this discussion with your chain of command, then what game are we playing? And BTW we are DHS and not DoD. I might suggest CG Regulations for your answer. But I very highly suspect that it leaves room for commands to adminsister their leave programs in the best interest of the unit and service. |
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I intend to live forever. So far, so good. |
For a meeting or field day I would say NO I, as an OIC can't think of any time during my career when I recalled someone off of leave, for any reason. Wray...  |
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Because you didn't need to or because you were not authorized to? Sorry to pin it back at you Wray, but that question is what started this thread. |
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I intend to live forever. So far, so good. |
Probably because I didn't need to... and, I'm not sure I would have been authorized to.... particularly for an all hands meeting or field day. (as per the origional post) Common sense would or should prevail on this one... I suspect I would be in the Group Commanders office explaining why I felt it so important to recall a member...
I can guarantee you, before I recalled someone off of leave I would be checking through all the manuals, & more than likely call the Group Commander first.. Wray... |
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1 - Information on being recalled from leave can be found in the Persman at 7.A.14.b.
2 - Information on being reimbursed for being recalled from leave can be found in the JFTR at U7220. 3 - What happened to the day of putting a typo in your contact phone number on your leave papers? 4 - If you did use the right phone number, what happened to having a piece of paper by the phone that said..."If the Coast Guard calls, tell them I'm at the cabin in the mountains with no phone"? |
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Experienced Member |
I would never recall someone for some chicken **** thing like a meeting or field day. Maybe they didn't hear of a little invention by "Alexander Bell" that aids in long distance "passing the word." or a little thing that grew out of ARAPA, which includes little tidbits like "email" or "video conferencing."
Well, maybe if piss poor morale at the unit was the objective, then recall them. Personnally I think we need the Paul Harvey on this story. I would be having a heart to heart with the CO about recalls described. No one, and I mean no one, is so damm important that they "need" to be at some routine meeting. This begs the question ... Isn't there a chain of command? If the division officer is missing, their second attends ... if they are missing, the next in line of succession attends. When you get down to SR Newbie as acting, you have a problem and you need to initiate recalling.  |
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Basic Training |
Been there done that.
I have gotten recalled to get u/w. However I missed movement when the plane broke down on the runway (thank God, AMC has a terminal in Philly), who sent the message to my cutter. I just met her at her NPOC (didn't get in trouble). However, I would be technically recalled a lot if I was local. Quick fix would be say hi to the YN, so I got my leave back. Morale of that story is I didn't take a lot of local leave... Nothing is ever guaranteed in the Guard like. Sleep food liberty leave some cases money when your suppose to get it. But we don't do what we do for the money... |
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Experienced Member |
I was granted leave once, but was told I would still be subject to 6 hour recall if the ship had to get underway. My wife and I were planning the Honeymoon trip we never got when we got married. So I scrapped the leave, and we spent the weekend at a local resort.
On the bright side we finally took the trip in 2006. Not quite the same with our three kids that came with us.  |
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Basic Training |
Leave is Earned, and may be a Right, but approval is still needed before you can take it. It can be sold back, carried over to a certain extent, or taken as Terminal, if approved, "Ops permitting." It's also the Approval Chains perrogative to approve or disapprove leave requests, and last I knew, all leave is subject to recall. But if you're not on leave, and don't have approved leave, why are you worried about being recalled? It's not the Girl Scouts, you're an Active Duty Military member and subject to recall.
Field Day recall would be a scary event, if it happened. It was probably because something wasn't done correctly the first time, and guess what? There's plenty of time to do it right the second time, and usually not at the convenience of the crew by design. Put in early for leave if it's that important. 9-11 wasn't pre-planned and people were recalled all over the country, for verification of where people were and that they were alive. COs and OICs are held accountable for their people and their whereabouts. As posted previously, Commands are obligated to hold training to keep the unit compliant. If you haven't had it, you'll probably be expected or invited to attend. Most trainings are planned and published ahead of time, and contain a line about those who already have approved leave, and maybe a list of those required to attend. If you are not on approved leave, as it appears here, and training is announced, then you may be " . . . out of luck," and not "have the Right to take your unapproved leave" at this time. Your 1st Class, or Chief could probably answer that question for you. And always remember, we have the right to remain silent, the right to do as we're told, and the right to get out when our time is up, or re-enlist for more fun! There is fun to be had, even at training! Good Luck! |
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Basic Training |
Thanks for the answers. By the by, who says I'm worried? It's just a recurring question that comes up from time to time and I've never found anything in writing, if there is such an animal. Just thought I would post it on POINT AND COUNTERPOINT as that is the premise behind this particular forum. It's interesting to see people who have authority and those that had authority give their opinions on the matter and what they would do or wouldn't do in said situation. |
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Member |
Members of the military are not granted all the rights in the constitution. The military does offer you freedom of speech, Right to assemble, They can restrict your movement to certain establishments or even public parks (south mission beach park on sundays in San Diego is black listed), block buisness ventures, Certain Books are blacklisted for military members, They can tell you what type of civilain clother to wear (the marine corp restricts thier members from wearing a baseball hat in any manner other than forward facing. You are not suppose to talk ill of any one in your chain command...That includes the POTHUS. even your right to drink can be revoked by the military. And when no DHS or CG Instruction exists DOD instructions take presendence. We use DOD manuals for Ammunition, pyro, flags and ceremonies, customs and courtisies even some life rafts. Also stuff like OPSEC and COMMSEC are DOD programs. |
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Basic Training |
Thank you very much for pointing that out, AST2, I noted this info in the pub but was still a lil' unsure as I didn't see USCG added. "This Directive applies to the Office of the Secretary of Defense, the Military Departments, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Office of the Inspector General of the Department of Defense, the Defense Agencies, the DoD Field Activities, and all other organizational entities in the Department of Defense (hereafter referred to collectively as the "DoD Components"). As used herein, the term "Armed Forces" refers to the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, and the Marine Corp." Furthermore, I did note that the CG's Man was a direct copy and paste of the DOD's Pub. |
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Basic Training |
CMC, no games. Really. I've heard this question a lot from time to time and have never seen anything in writing. I do know everything is subjective and in times of catastrophe, recall without questions asked is inevitable as well as recall according to the CO's standing orders. |
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