Wray,

I'm going to take you up on your statement:

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Question me all you want ... you, as military members deserve the answers.. truthful answers.

I'm confused over the certain sequence of events...I know you must be as anxious as us to clear-up some misunderstandings and/or misconceptions

Apparently one day you were wandering through the member profiles when ...

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What caught my eye was the SILVER STAR he had listed.

Question: Did you try to help a shipmate by writing him with something like, "Hey shipmate I noticed something strange on your profile and was wondering if you made a mistake?"
If you did, what was his response? If not, why not? I always thought that being a good shipmate meant helping others to correct mistakes in both their personal and professional life - in private - and not in public.

Now this is where things gets strange. WALLA - out of the blue - an email shows up in your inbox, complete with supporting documentation, pertaining to something that caught your eye days or weeks before.

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Someone has e-mailed me with information about another phoney on these boards.

All identifying information on Mr X has been redacted. What are the odds that the anonymous Mr X would email you, the one member out of eight million members, on something that caught your eye? Amazing, huh!

When a member indicates concern about the legality of how the documents were obtained, you answered:

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All info was obtained properly & legally through the FOIA .. No hot water here...

How can you be sure the anonymous Mr X properly and legally obtained the documents? And beyond the obvious redactions, what other alterations may have been made?

Hopefully, in the name of brevity, you left a few things out. However, it doing so, you have created a atmosphere of doubt and confusion. Let the anonymous Mr X come forth. He can remain anonymous - it doesn't bother me and is in full compliance with the TOS. I'd like to know what prompted Mr X to investigate the subject.

Wray, would you place any credit to the anonymous Mr X if he should come forth on these boards? After all, we all know your position on anonymous posters.

Now for the REAL problem. How can we be sure the REAL [what's his name] posted the profile? It is possible for anyone to post a profile under whatever name they choose. Maybe, just maybe, someone posted a false profile in an attempt to defame the REAL [what's his name]. It is a possibility! Ah, yet another can of worms.

Fred

Veeeeerrrryyyy interestiiing. Only the shadow knows. Also in my profile I list an Honor Guard Emblem that wasn't around when I was in the HG in washington, should I remove it?

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should I remove it?

asm3driscoll,
You may aleady be under investigation and labeled "a phoney". Watch out, who knows who has your DD-214 and what email chain it is being passed about.

Keep havin fun ...

Fred

I don't think my irish nerves can take it. As far as the dd214, I've lost that more times than I wish to say. Can never find it when I want it and it pops up when I am not looking for it.

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Originally posted by Wray:
Cajun --> Once again you are incorrect... All info was obtained properly & legally through the FOIA .. No hot water here...

Wray...

Well lets see I made an assumption based on the information you posted here. Kinda sucks to be called out like that doesn't it and much like what you did here. Fact is you won't say who you got the information from. Only that you are looking to out a phony. You are the one who is the profile police and always looking into others doings here. Take a page from your own book and just say where you got the info from. You have yet to answer my question so by your standards I should make up my own opinion or just cite Deep Throat for my info. I think you can see how something can take on a life of its own now because you are in question rather than the individual who posted the profile. Funny how the worm turned in this case. Perhaps if you had tried to do as Fred suggested rather than say Ah Ha I got you now with the help of Deep Throat and now I am going to out you for the world to see things may not be the same. Are these the actions of a real Chief or in your case BMCM? Like I said before you do agree that posting a DD-214 here is not such a bright idea since you took yours down shortly after letting a MK goat you into posting it if only for a short while. So using them or citing them means you better have had a good reason to look at them. Try taking some time at your job to help Vets not hurt them.

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Fact is you won't say who you got the information from.

The source of the information doesn't immediately make it false.

If your inclined to investigate things like this further ... then enjoy your search.

I've notice that the last two people who came under scrutiny removed their information very quickly. In most circumstances, that would be an admission of guilt. Otherwise, I'm sure they would have done like nobody did when he was seeking access to the other board ... posted numerous things supporting his assertions.

The object of the posting made their choice.

OK Joe you are correct but you have to admit it calls it into speculation. Wray often disregards others statements based on their profile or lack there of. Why does he not follow his own operations manual? Don’t you think it is possible that the individual could not be who he is claiming to be or possible that the individual simply made a mistake? Trouble is we will never know now. I was always taught as a Chief (and remember once a Chief always a Chief) to take the individual aside and attempt to get to the bottom of the issue. Unless it’s a Safety Issue you don’t go around screaming, embarrassing or calling an individual out to prove your point. That is how the Navy Officer Crops does things not the Coast Guard Chiefs Mess handles its perceived issues or questions. At leas not when I was in and that was only a year ago.

Fred, you are kind of close.... yes I noticed the profile.. this BM1 had all these insignias & ribbons and the bells & whistles went off... I e-mailed him... he tried to give me some BS story about much of it.. I could see right through his smoke screen

I asked some questions of a few poeple I know concerning his Silver Star. Apparently an investigation was done into his claim. He did remove the Silver star when someone told him to..

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How can you be sure the anonymous Mr X properly and legally obtained the documents?

Because I know the channels he went through to obtain the information, and they have been posted on this thread.

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Now for the REAL problem. How can we be sure the REAL [what's his name] posted the profile? It is possible for anyone to post a profile under whatever name they choose. Maybe, just maybe, someone posted a false profile in an attempt to defame the REAL [what's his name]. It is a possibility! Ah, yet another can of worms.

Nice try, but as I said, I questioned this guy about his profile.. he tried to defend it, thinking I would accept his bull$hit story.. anyone that had any time in the Coast Guard could see it was nothing more than lies.

As I have said, all the sources are on this thread. Feel free to check them out yourself.. that goes for anyone. This was not only an attempt to expose this phony, but to discourage others to post responsibly and truthfully.

Here is your tool..... use it.
http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies1057.htm


Wray....

A lot of people get awards for little or nothing,but I agree no one should claim a combat related award that has never been in a foreign country let alone combat,it degrades the ones that did earn them.

Also some deserve an award that never get it.

You know, going through the TOS, I wonder what the exact definition of "Stalk" is, or if it would apply to contacting someone through mil.com even if the intent of such contact is appropriate.

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19. The Military.com Web site makes chat rooms, forums, message boards, email, user-generated homepages, classifieds, and/or news groups available to its users provided that they abide by the online behavior detailed in this Agreement. Please remember that any information that is disclosed in these areas becomes public information, and you should exercise caution when deciding to disclose your personal information. We have the right, but not the obligation, to deny the posting of material and to edit, remove, and use any material on our Site. You shall not impersonate someone else, including one of our trained chat hosts, nor use deceptive nicknames that would lead people to believe you are a person, entity, or rank that you are not. Use of names, such as "AdmHall" or "GenWestmorland" are both misleading and disrespectful. You will not stalk others in our chat rooms or in another manner. Such behavior is a serious offense and may be considered a criminal act.

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T,

Unwanted email could be construed as cyber stalking ... especially if there were no "opt out" link at the bottom.

Obviously Thadsboy had received Wray's request to stop such activities ... especially since he went public with the emails.

I agree that is is unethical to make false claims but, come on, this is an internet forum, if you dont like a poster, ignore them. Most people that post for shock value are doing it for the responses, if they get none then, guess what, they will quit. Negative attention is better than no attention at all is it not? I guess my point is, why get all worked up if some S--- B-- decides to lie on his/her profile. It does not hurt you in any way but by getting so upset about it, you are letting it hurt you. As long as they are not using these false claims in offical documents or claims, I should think they are not going to get in trouble.

Holy $#it guys, come on! Wray is a big part of these boards.(which we would not have without fred) would I be angry if some shmuck pranced around in my grandads WWII medals w/out earning them? yea, but not to the point where it affects my happiness. relax

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This was not only an attempt to expose this phony, but to discourage others to post responsibly and truthfully.

Please tell me this was a typo or poor grammar. I don't think you REALLY want to discourage responsible and truthful postings.

Thank you for clearing up many of my misconceptions and/or misunderstandings. I knew you would and you did.

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Nice try, but as I said, I questioned this guy about his profile..

I thought you may have left certain specifics out of your comments for the sake of brevity but if you had included you had, in fact, confirmed this person to be who and what he claimed - I wouldn't have had to waste space, your time and mine asking idiotic, hmmm, let's just say useless, questions.

So, in your mind, is there any need to continue this discussion? The subject has removed his profile from public viewing thus no longer making a perceived mockery of the Medals and Awards Program. Case closed?

In closing, I'll wander slightly off-topic in asking a rhetorical question. Meaning no response is necessary nor expected. I'll save it for the next time you start yet another thread on anonymous posters ... If a person is granted anonymity by you - we are expected to give credence to their evidence, claims and findings. But if Military.com grants anonymity to a member we can dismiss their evidence, claims and findings because of .... what?

I;m trying to find a word meaning "a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings" ... just can't think of it right now. I'm bad! Excuse me while I go and remove the Good Conduct award off my profile.

Keep havin' fun ...

Fred

"hipocracy" I love it , I come from a town full of "limousine liberals", talk about hipocracy.

Please tell me this was a typo or poor grammar. I don't think you REALLY want to discourage responsible and truthful postings.

Fred, you are correct... I edited my origional statement and didn't correct the one that got posted. It should read something like this:

As I have said, all the resources are on this thread. Feel free to check them out yourself.. that goes for anyone. This was not only an attempt to expose this phony, but to discourage others from posting in an irresponsible and untruthful manner.

(thank you for pointing it out)

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I'll save it for the next time you start yet another thread on anonymous posters ... If a person is granted anonymity by you - we are expected to give credence to their evidence, claims and findings. But if Military.com grants anonymity to a member we can dismiss their evidence, claims and findings because of .... what?

Fred, while I may not like anonymous posters, if they post something, providing a resource link, for me or anyone else to verify the information, their post may be valid and informative.

Does that make any sense to you?

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Excuse me while I go and remove the Good Conduct award off my profile.

Cute... childish & immature, (in my opinion) but cute Glad you got that one in.. Good way to end a serious thread.

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So, in your mind, is there any need to continue this discussion? The subject has removed his profile from public viewing thus no longer making a perceived mockery of the Medals and Awards Program. Case closed?

No, not at all... lock it up, if you want....doesn't matter to me....

Case closed.

Wray...

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Originally posted by fasiegel:
I;m trying to find a word meaning "a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings" ... just can't think of it right now. I'm bad! Excuse me while I go and remove the Good Conduct award off my profile.
Fred

It’s called being a hypocrite. Thank you for putting it so eloquently. I am not as tactful as you but it was my point all along. Now here is a bit of information from your own sources Wray that begs to question its legitimacy.

RE: ANY NAME ON THIS PAGE: If anyone has viable proof of their captivity [or claims] which is accepted by the American Ax-POWs, NAM-POWs and DMPO - PLEASE contact us immediately. We will take corrective action and work with them to be recognized for their sacrifice.

This bit of information says to me that they are not 100% certain of their own information. Your information comes from a web site that is not 100% sure of its own information ergo its not CREDIBLE. There are lots of non credible websites (including information posted on this one) so as I said before lets try getting our information from Official Sources and not a sight which could be on the proverbial Witch Hunt without all the FACTS.

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RE: ANY NAME ON THIS PAGE: If anyone has viable proof of their captivity [or claims] which is accepted by the American Ax-POWs, NAM-POWs and DMPO - PLEASE contact us immediately. We will take corrective action and work with them to be recognized for their sacrifice.

cajun -- I'm not so sure why you feel the need to argue with me or disprove everything I say, but that is your call...

I will help you along with your reading comprehension.. in the quote above, you seemed to have missed the point that they are referring to POW's.

DD-214's that are submitted to the Records Center seldom lie...

Wray...

This has been a very interesting argument/topic, I hope it continues.

Read again it says [or claims]. Or claims could cover a plethora of things including a Silver Star, OIC Afloat, OIC Ashore or Surfmans badge to name a few. Just in case you missed that one. And just for the record I am not the only one who seems to have just a little bit of an issue with your sources and methods here. You are the one who continually says put a name to your information and words yet in this case you expect others to take what you say at face value based on your information. Just a bit of hipocrocracy don’t you think especially for the Profile Police? Personally I don’t care what others put on their profile they gain nothing from it either personally or professionally. In fact half of my awards are not even posted. So are you going to come after me for not telling the whole truth as well? Are you going to try to get my DD-214 from some web site for not telling the whole truth and post it here or on other sites for that indiscretion? What is your answer now that everyone turns in their DD-214 to the Mods here for proof as to what they are or were? Please get real and go back to your real job of HELPING VETS be they not right in the head or perfectly normal. My issue is you are being hypocritical in both your actions and your sources. Enough Said.

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