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I guess I would have to ask, does anyone know this guy?

Do you know this guy?

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Several of the high ribbons on his profile are not on his DD 214, & neither is any of the insignias other than the coxswain insignia.

Just curious. How did you get his DD-214?
Right now you are asking us to believe this individual actually posted his profile and that you have a certified copy of his DD-214. Either could be a "phoney" and you could be basing your charges on inaccurate information. Before you call anyone a phoney or accuse them of misrepresenation, you should be able to prove the profile was in fact posted by the individual - that certain awards were ever included - then removed - and that you have a certified copy of documents you claim to have.

So far you provide a lot of accusations and innuendo without any proof.

Based on your initial posting, you didn't just stumble on this individual's profile but was alerted by someone else - an anonymous source? How about posting a copy of the email you received - you do it all the time.

Just for the record, I don't know the individual and I don't know you. But something smells here and I can't help but to think it isn't your "civic duty" that is motivating you to publically speculate on this individual's character.

Show us the meat!

Fred

Someone who works for the VA could get access to the DD 214 of a person if they knew who he/she was.

thanks chief74,

It seems that might be illegal to use that information on a Forum, this seems like a serious attack on that guy. Do people that work at the Veterans Administration normally use private information to attack other people?

thanks jerry for the info

FYI, DD-214's can be gotten through the FOIA if you write to the National Archives in St. Louis.

Possessing a false DD-214 is a violation of 18 USC 1001, up to five years in prison. This also goes for making false statements to federal officials.

Falsely identifying ones self as a U.S. officer or employee, and gaining anything of value from it (even a cup of coffee), can land ones self in prison for up to three years (18 USC 912).

Wearing of medals, such as the CMOH, Army DSC, Navy Cross, Air Force Cross, DOD DSM, Silver Star, Bronze Star, Purple Heart, etc., will get ones self up to a year in prison (18 USC 704, updated Dec 2006)).

FYI.

I can't help but wonder if this is entering into dangerous waters. When I worked for CBP, all of our checks conducted on NCIC or NLETS were recorded. If the agency ever found out we were conducting such checks for Unofficial Use/personal use, we'd be in violation of CBP policies and be in a world of hurt.

These types of checks on someone's DD-214, I am left wondering if they fall into the same type of violation?

Don

chief74Ret & JerryG

You both provided excellent ideas on how one COULD get another's DD-214 but it would be nice to know how Wray got the one he's citing. Let's wait to hear from him instead of speculating on how he might have gone about it.

The WHY he got it is an interesting question. Maybe he is interviewing the individual for employment. I doubt it was strictly to form an attack on the individual's character but we have to await Wray's reply before any conclusions can be made. I am sure there is probably an innocent explanation and we should hold any further comment until some facts are presented.

Let's not attack the messenger! But let's see some facts and proof before any further validity can be given to the message!

Fred

Ah it's nice to come home from work and see this has gotten your curiosity up...

The info on this guy was e-mailed to me. It came from the National Records Center in St Louis. It was obtained when this imposter posted a Silver Star on his profile.

Too obtain a copy of your records, or mine for that matter, all you have to do is request them under the FOIA.. Click on the below link. (FYI.. I've never done it, so I'm not sure how long it takes, or if it costs anything..)

http://www.archives.gov/st-louis/military-personnel/

Wray...

This is a page that was sent with it....



As I said, believe it or not, I have never delt with, or requested any info from this organization.

Wray...

Lets take a look at what we had here..

A BM 1 that retired back in 1991 or so...

On his profile he had the following insignias
OIC ASHORE
OIC AFLOAT
SURFMAN
SURFACE WARFARE
COXSWAIN
CUTTERMAN

What caught my eye was the SILVER STAR he had listed. After a few inquires he did not show up as someone that was awarded one.

He had several other questionable awards, such as a CG Commendation, Navy/Marine Commendation & Republic of Vietnam Presidential Unit citation.

He has now made his profile private. He had bragged on seveal other sites of his SILVER STAR.

Question me all you want, but I would say HE, this military.com member, is the one that deserves the questions... you, as military members deserve the answers.. truthful answers.

Wray...

Imposter or not, I really could care less. In this country, though, there is seriously too much personal information made available to anyone with a pulse nowadays.
Even without an "issue" of false awards or whatever, I can not believe that any fricken asshat in the world can obtain such personal information such as a DD-214 on a whim.
What is wrong with this picture?

You can't obtain anyone's 214. The rules regarding release of this information is very strict. Only the veteran or military member may request a copy of his/her DD-214. If they are deceased, then their next-of-kin can request the document. Next-of-kin is defined as: unremarried widow or widower, parents, siblings or chidren.

If anyone else requests the information they are provided only the information that is releasable under the Freedom of Information Act. The information does include awards. It does not include character of service, home addresses, social security numbers. If you go the P.O.W Network; some of the phonies they outed have an NA Form 13164 as an example.

POW Network

Then what the hell is he talking about?

Wray, this D. Aruthur is not a smart liar at all. I am surprised somebody made the effort to investigate this buffoon by the name of D. Arthur.

I would suspect it would be criminal if this person used his phony record for his own advantage as far as getting a job, or securing some other tangible benefit (i.e., financial compensation, etc.).

Sincerely, Thad's Boy

I know what you mean Wray...where did you get your Surfman qual...Florida????

What I mind most amusing is if you suspect an self proclaimed hero is falsifying their past, it is best when you are lucky enough to find someone who served with them to call them on it.

"I saved 20 people from a burning plane in Miami back in 2000." Then someone from Base Miami Beach that was there shows up on here and says..."Um, weren't you messcooking then?"

Don

Fred:
For someone that will not tell us one thing about the number of members you claim you are demanding an awful lot of information from Wray. Don't you think turn around is fair play?

Keep having fun and making unfounded accusations!!
Gary

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Originally posted by Wray:
I guess I would have to ask, does anyone know this guy?

http://profile.military.com/member/view.do?memberId=4980282

He has taken OFF his profile a Silver Star, OIC ashore & OIC afloat insignias.

Several of the high ribbons on his profile are not on his DD 214, & neither is any of the insignias other than the coxswain insignia.

I would have to ask what makes people do this? Do they think we are easily impressed?

Wray...

Wray, are you expecting some sort of validation process to make sure everyone posts the truth in their profile? I have to admit, this is the first I've heard someone complain to a point where they suggest doing background checks on the ribbons, awards, citations, etc. listed on someone's military.com profile page.

Sincerely, Thad's Boy

TB:
On one side I could really care less about what sort of spaghetti someone dreams up to give themselves. Then I think about the guys that either gave some or gave all to earn them and I think it is not at all unreasonable for us to want to know the truth. I think it is unreasonable for anyone to declare that they have earned awards or "pins" that they are not entitled to. Personally I think that anyone that is caught doing this should be thrown off the site.
Gary (my true name, the information on my profile is true)

Just so you all know......

http://pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies3.htm

states:

NATIONAL PERSONNEL RECORDS CENTER

MILITARY PERSONNEL RECORDS

9700 PAGE AVENUE

ST. LOUIS, MO 63132-5100

GENEALOGICAL AND PUBLIC ACCESS TO RECORDS*

3. Releasable Information. Under the provisions of the FOIA [Freedom of Information Act], as amended in 1974, only the following items can ROUTINELY BE RELEASED FROM THE RECORD to a member of the general public:


Name
Age (date of birth)
Dates of service
Source of commission
Rank/grade and date attained
Marital status
Promotion sequence number
Salary*
Office phone number*
City/town and state of last known address and date of this address
Serial/service number (those issued prior to the use of the social security number as the service number)
Decorations and awards
Place of birth; date and geographical location of death; and place of burial+

Military and civilian education level
Photograph (or photocopy if only one photo is available)
Place of induction and separation
Duty assignments (including geographical location)
Dependents (including name, sex, and age)
records of court-martial trial (unless classified)
education/schooling (military)
future assignments which have been finalized*
duty status#
* These items obviously relate to active duty personnel and are not likely to be found in the records at this Center.
# For records at this Center this generally means discharged or retired.
+ If person is deceased, these items also may generally be released.


NATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION *NA FORM 13043 (REV. 5-94