Has anyone read the story from the Seattle Newspaper about the CO who smacked a watchstander?
I would post the link but I am not sure if we can do that anymore on this site.
What do you think about Captain "Boom Boom" Alexander cuffing one of the crew?
ag

Well I'll post it. What are they gonna do, take away my birthday?

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/357018_midgett30.html?source=rss

He admitted he did wrong.

He paid the fine.

He requested to retire.

Life goes on.

In a nutshell.

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Originally posted by FlynnPatrick:
He admitted he did wrong.

He paid the fine.

He requested to retire.

Life goes on.

I dont know what happen but I'm sure it was some young punk with no respect for authority.
31 years down the drain. You just cant lose your temper like that. He probably just wasn,t thinking in the heat of the moment.

ChGuns - as the Lead Coast Guard Moderator I see no reason for your concerns....

I've been wrong before though maybe.

steelerfan07 - in my opinion I am going to go with Pat Flynn; what the Captain did was wrong, he admitted his mistake and requested retirement. Why make the remark you made; regardless of who it was it was wrong.

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Originally posted by steelerfan07:
I dont know what happen but I'm sure it was some young punk with no respect for authority.
31 years down the drain. You just cant lose your temper like that. He probably just wasn,t thinking in the heat of the moment.

First of all, don't make assumptions, your wrong in the thought that it was some young punk with no respect for authority. I am currently on the boat and know the whole story. The kid did nothing wrong.

SC Menze

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Originally posted by jmenze:

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Originally posted by steelerfan07:
I dont know what happen but I'm sure it was some young punk with no respect for authority.
31 years down the drain. You just cant lose your temper like that. He probably just wasn,t thinking in the heat of the moment.

First of all, don't make assumptions, your wrong in the thought that it was some young punk with no respect for authority. I am currently on the boat and know the whole story. The kid did nothing wrong.

SC Menze

And there you have it. I suggest the public court recess until the next trial comes up.

Don

Hold on now folks, had this Enlisted man assaulted the CO, he would be sitting in freakin Leavenworth right now. The Coast Guards double standard at its finest. Crap like this is why I am glad I got out.

And what if he was a punk, it doesnt mean you assault the guy. I give the Enlisted person a lot of credit, had it been me, I probably would have knocked the COs teeth straight through the back of his head.

You as a CO, assault an Enlisted man, and ALL you get is the equal of light NJP Punishment and a retirement? Whats up with that?

Commander I know you probably feel some compassion for your classmate, but damn, lets be a little honest here as well.

T

Translation of the punishment:

"You go home and think about what you did while we pay you $7392.57 a month ($88,710.84 a year), for the rest of your life, without getting off of the couch."

Can I get that punishment please? I hereby offer 15% of that amount for anyone who wants to volunteer to be the strikee!

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Originally posted by Mightyz90_93:
Translation of the punishment:

"You go home and think about what you did while we pay you $7392.57 a month ($88,710.84 a year), for the rest of your life, without getting off of the couch."

Can I get that punishment please? I hereby offer 15% of that amount for anyone who wants to volunteer to be the strikee!

I'm in!!! Where do you want meet up? I'll let you kick me for another 15%.

If an Officer strikes or assaults an Enlisted member he should suffer the same punishment. The CAPT didn’t strike the PO. I know the PO very well, he worked for me recently and he is a fine young man. This is an unfortunate event for all involved.

CAPT Alexander is a fine gentleman and a patriot. He lost his cool and now he has been punished.

MC- I know of plenty of senior enlisted members that have gone to Court Martial and have retained their retirement pay. Why should an O-6, with a very distinguished career (including 5 commands) should be any different?

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MC- I know of plenty of senior enlisted members that have gone to Court Martial and have retained their retirement pay. Why should an O-6, with a very distinguished career (including 5 commands) should be any different?

Yes, it should. Being a senior commissioned officer, you should be held more accountable for your actions, and being in Command of a major CG Cutter makes it even more so.

T

The newspaper article stated that at his NJP (Admiral's Mast) he was fined 1/2 months base pay for 2 months. For an O6 over 30 that is $9538.80. An awful expensive slap. I know, I know, some of you will say like Militia1 "if it were an enlisted man..." but I think, even though his annual base pay is $114K+ an almost $10K fine is big. My base pay is about $62K a year; 1/2 months pay for 2 months for me would be $5,166 or close to half his fine. I don't know the circumstances - don't need to know really but I sure as hell would be in big trouble if I lost one months pay. Mortgage, Utilities, Car Payment, Credit Cards, food, gasoline, entertainment, etc...

T - relieved of command, "volunteering" to retire - it may not seem like a lot of punishment but we will respectfully disagree on that point.

MightZ - give me the $13,306; I'll give you one shot - make it good~~~ I'd hit back!

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The newspaper article stated that at his NJP (Admiral's Mast) he was fined 1/2 months base pay for 2 months. For an O6 over 30 that is $9538.80. An awful expensive slap. I know, I know, some of you will say like Militia1 "if it were an enlisted man..." but I think, even though his annual base pay is $114K+ an almost $10K fine is big. My base pay is about $62K a year; 1/2 months pay for 2 months for me would be $5,166 or close to half his fine. I don't know the circumstances - don't need to know really but I sure as hell would be in big trouble if I lost one months pay. Mortgage, Utilities, Car Payment, Credit Cards, food, gasoline, entertainment, etc...

T - relieved of command, "volunteering" to retire - it may not seem like a lot of punishment but we will respectfully disagree on that point.

Great points actually. I still think its a little light, but a 10k fine is pretty hefty, there can be no arguing that point.

I need some coffee.

T

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Originally posted by militia1:

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MC- I know of plenty of senior enlisted members that have gone to Court Martial and have retained their retirement pay. Why should an O-6, with a very distinguished career (including 5 commands) should be any different?

Yes, it should. Being a senior commissioned officer, you should be held more accountable for your actions, and being in Command of a major CG Cutter makes it even more so.

T

LT;
Sorry, I can't add anything to what Tony said. (But I will try). Higher compensation, higher privelages, etc require higher standards and higher consequences.

Try this once: Lay your commisioning certificate next to an advancement certificate and you will clearly see in the wording the differences in expectations.

Also, stating the dollar figure of the fine is misleading. Fine Bill Gates the same amount and he will chuckle and maybe ask if you if you can break a $10,000 bill as he usually doesn't carry 'small' bills. Fine a LT or a E-7 that amount, it will hurt.

If I were to take you for your word that the Capt didn't strike the PO, then I would say maybe he deserves even more punishment than he got for striking a PO when he is charged for perjury!

EDIT: A wise shipmate advised me that there are many levels of physical contact that are legally described as 'striking,' and it is not clear here what level actually occured. I'll leave open the possibility that this occurence could be at the level of a Coach pecking an Umpire with the Bill of his Cap, vice something disgraceful like an open or closed hand slap/punch.

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What year did the "dope slap" become a punishable offence?

peace,
Dick

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Originally posted by asm3driscoll:
What year did the "dope slap" become a punishable offence?

peace,
Dick

Dick - uh, maybe before you were born......

I think a certain General from WWII has the "Patton" on this!

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Lots of dope slaps, ragdoll shakes, and dry shavings given in bootcamp 1977?

I think a certain General from WWI has the "Patton" on this!

ummm you mean WW II?

later

cliff