http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20427826

Not sure if this guy is an 'officer' or not - as you know the news media always sees the rank of 'petty officer,' and just reference it as an
officer.... Do you know anything about this story?

Wray...

Lets hope its not true and it was something that was suggested by a health care professional as could have happened, or speculation.

His name isn't in the GAL....is it a recent story?

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Lets hope its not true and it was something that was suggested by a health care professional as could have happened, or speculation.

Dick, He has already been found guilty by a jury trial.

Wray...

Thats not good! I wish I could explain or understand why so much of this **** is taking place lately.
Peace,
Dick

It's not that's it's been happening LATELY. It's that now they bring it to light instead of sweeping it under the rug.

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It's not that's it's been happening LATELY. It's that now they bring it to light instead of sweeping it under the rug.

You mean, because he is an officer?

I think as a people we are sicker in the head due to overpopulation, food additives,enviormental damage and the media bombardment.

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It's not that's it's been happening LATELY. It's that now they bring it to light instead of sweeping it under the rug.

You mean, because he is an officer?

No, I mean in general

Yeah, you are right about that! I think that the more the media sheds light on such an evil thing the more people will understand that harsher punishments are needed. I understand about crowded jails and such, but why release people back in to society after even slightly venturing in to this area? Next thing you know they will take the already heinous crime a step further. Some type of punishment, that is permanent, needs to be given out to the criminals that obviously can't interact with society. They certainly shouldn't be released in 5 or 10 years to perhaps do it again. Who decides that these criminals are reformed when they are released?

mel26,
Criminals are incarcerated because they cannot interact with society. I hope you aren’t suggesting something like Sharia law where thieves could have a hand cut off and female adulterers are put to death. That type of punishment is certainly permanent. God forbid we convict an innocent person! There is no question that the actions of this individual are abhorrent. I believe however, that our current system of laws and punishment, with it’s checks and balances, although far from perfect, are the best around. From what I understand, child abusers generally don’t fare well in prison anyway.

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Who decides that these criminals are reformed when they are released?

That would be the Parole Board and there decisions usually are not based on if the member is still a threat to society or not. It is based on overcrowding, sentencing guidelines, and behavior while serving. For every one day of good behavior, you get one day of a reduced sentence unless its under no possability of parole. There is always the exception though and Mr Manson comes to mind.

I dont really want to admit this because its embarrassing, but I will because its fact and related, but I had a close relative serving 5 years in a State Penn, and they served two and a half out of 5 for assault on a LE officer. I know, imagine that. Morale of the story there, is dont go running out in the woods like a dumbass, firing a gun in the air when the police are chasing you. Apparently the Police take that as an assumption that you are firing at them. Thats the back woods of Mississippi for ya though. Dem folks aint all rite in da head.

T

This guy is not CG, he is National Guard from Camden, AL.

Where did you see that?

Wray...

Don't worry Militia I had a cousin come out of prison and go into the NHL playing for the penguins, rangers etc ... his name, Billy Tibbetts. The whole time he was in prison he did situps,pushups etc and told his guards when he got out he was going into the NHL. The guards though he was nuts till he signed his first NHL contract 2 months out of prison. He had trouble getting into and playing in Canada.
Peace,
Dick

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Originally posted by spudsdown:
mel26,
Criminals are incarcerated because they cannot interact with society. I hope you aren’t suggesting something like Sharia law where thieves could have a hand cut off and female adulterers are put to death. That type of punishment is certainly permanent. God forbid we convict an innocent person! There is no question that the actions of this individual are abhorrent. I believe however, that our current system of laws and punishment, with it’s checks and balances, although far from perfect, are the best around. From what I understand, child abusers generally don’t fare well in prison anyway.

Where you got that she was suggesting someone getting their hand cut off is beyond me. She was speaking of in general. Some rapes/assualts get a year in jail or less. Or 3 years probation, or 3 years, 2 served for good behavior, etc etc. That's B.S.

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mel26,
Criminals are incarcerated because they cannot interact with society. I hope you aren’t suggesting something like Sharia law where thieves could have a hand cut off and female adulterers are put to death. That type of punishment is certainly permanent. God forbid we convict an innocent person! There is no question that the actions of this individual are abhorrent. I believe however, that our current system of laws and punishment, with it’s checks and balances, although far from perfect, are the best around. From what I understand, child abusers generally don’t fare well in prison anyway.

The discussion was about a stepfather that sexually abused his young daughter. I'm not speaking of criminals in general. I am speaking of the ones that literally rip the innocence away from defensless children, messing them up for life. While our defense system IS one of the better, I don't agree with letting these disgusting people go free again. If they are messed up in the head enough to sexually abuse a child they need to be locked away for good.

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Tony,

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Morale of the story there, is dont go running out in the woods like a dumbass, firing a gun in the air when the police are chasing you. Apparently the Police take that as an assumption that you are firing at them.

He's lucky he survived to serve his time.

My only concern WRT Coast Guard reaction is that they don't sweep it under the rug like they did in the 80s. A CPO was found guilty in a civil court of molestation. It involved his own children; no jail time, but 5 years of supervised probation. Imagine my surprise, in 1988 when I reported to headquarters for duty to find this person still on active duty...and they expected me to call him Chief...

He was charged and convicted of committing a felony; punished for it with probation; however, he was still allowed to work long enough for a retirement check. I began to lose respect for the senior leadership of the service back then...

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The discussion was about a stepfather that sexually abused his young daughter. I'm not speaking of criminals in general. I am speaking of the ones that literally rip the innocence away from defensless children, messing them up for life. While our defense system IS one of the better, I don't aggree with letting these disgusting people go free again. If they are messed up in the head enough to sexually abuse a child they need to be locked away for good.

Thank you for clarifying your statement “Some type of punishment, that is permanent, needs to be given out to the criminals that obviously can’t interact with society”.
If you will note, I said I hoped you were not suggesting something like Sharia law. A simple Google search will reveal that there are those who openly support that.

There is no question that of all the crimes against society, sexual abuse of children is one of the most heinous and should be punished accordingly. The heading of sexual abuse, however, covers a broad range of degree and each case must be judged individually. Sexual abuse ranges from an inappropriate touch to out right rape. I believe the term can cover a parent who rapes their child to an 18 year old male with a 16 year old girl friend who engage in consensual sex. All are wrong, but all don’t “need to be locked away for good.”

I understand and whole heartedly agree with your anger in this specific case, but please be careful of broad, all inclusive statements, that might lead to over reaction similar to that exhibited in some of our public schools with a “zero tolerance” policy. A policy that resulted in the expulsion of a grade school child for bringing a GI Joe plastic rifle about 2 inches long to school and the expulsion of a grade school child for drawing a picture of something that “resembled” a gun. Yes, I know this kind of reaction is stupid. This did however, occur in our “institutions of learning.” What does that tell you?