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Just seen this on Mil.com. Has anyone every heard what the CG's percentage of users is?

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Navy Steps up Drug Testing Program
August 13, 2009
Stars and Stripes|by Lisa M. Novak

NAPLES, Italy — Sailors will face increased random drug tests as a result of recent changes to the Navy’s drug prevention program.

The changes remove the requirement for an annual unit sweep — an unannounced drug test for every member of a command. However, they mandate a minimum of four tests per month that must include at least 15 percent of a command’s members.

There is also a new requirement for commands with more than 500 members to have a permanently assigned drug and alcohol program adviser.

Although the number of Sailors who have tested positive for illicit drugs has been on a steady decline, officials say the new testing program is an effort to drive the number of positive test results even lower.

"These changes give us a more robust program," said Bill Flannery, director of the Navy Alcohol and Drug Abuse Prevention program. "There’s a correlation between an increase in testing and a decrease in positive results. The goal isn’t to catch drug users, the goal is to deter Sailors from doing drugs."

The importance of deterrence is best illustrated in terms of cost, he said. It costs relatively little to conduct drug tests compared to cost of losing a trained Sailor.

"For every dollar spent on prevention, our return on investment is $205," said Flannery, who estimates the replacement cost for a Sailor lost to drug use averages $150,000.

The trend for positive drug tests among Sailors shows a steady decrease since 2001, when 6,279 of 934,000 samples tested positive. Last year only 2,120 samples tested positive out of 1.19 million tested, according to the Navy’s Alcohol and Drug Management Information Tracking System.

Flannery thinks that number will go even lower.

"We’re predicting we’ll be below 2,000 positives in the next year, in pursuit of zero," he said. "If we do this correctly, we can get closer to under 500 in the next four or five years."

Those numbers are impressive, considering the drug problem in the Navy was described as "epidemic" by the Department of Defense following the 1981 nighttime crash of an EA-6B Prowler, a plane designed to jam enemy communications and radar.

The Prowler slammed into the flight deck of the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz, killing 14 people, injuring 48 and destroying several fully fueled jets. Damage estimates just on the equipment was in the $150 million range.

Of the 14 Sailors killed, the post-accident report pointed to six flight deck crewmembers who had THC (the active ingredient in marijuana) in their systems as a contributing factor, according to the Navy.

The incident was one of the catalysts for the military’s "zero tolerance" policy for drug use instituted by President Ronald Reagan.

"The Navy is taking an extremely aggressive approach with regard to substance abuse issues," said Col. Ronald Shippee, director for the DOD’s drug testing and program policy.

That means working with other agencies, including the Drug Enforcement Administration, Food and Drug Administration and the service criminal investigative agencies to keep on top of what trends might be developing.

A successful program, Flannery said, requires a constant awareness of trends, and monitoring potential abuse of over-the-counter medications, anabolic steroids or even common household products that can be used as recreational drugs.

Among active-duty servicemembers, the Air Force had the lowest percentage of positive drug tests last year, around less than a quarter of one percent of all samples.

The Navy wasn’t far behind with less than half a percent of samples testing positive.

The Army had the highest rate, at 1.75 percent, with the Marine Corps at around 1.4 percent of samples testing positive.


When Sailors test positive for drug use, they are usually separated from the service.

However, individuals can mount a legal challenge to test results, a move that can lead to possible criminal prosecution if found guilty in the military court system.

Though numbers for the Navy are low, Flannery said there is no end point for drug prevention. Even if the goal of zero drug use is attained, the process has to continue with a high degree of vigilance.

"The moment we say we’ve won, we’ve lost," Flannery said.
 
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No the CG does drug interdiction I think that the CG is clean (with some exceptions)
 
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You would hope so, but that is simply not true. We are much 'cleaner' than society in large, but when it comes down to it, people are people. By the way, only a very, very small number of the people in the CG actually participate in the Counter Narcotics mission. Again, people being people, you have to remember that exposure to the counter narcotics mission brings with it multiple temptations, which a very small % of people will always sucumb too.

(Just simple numbers here - at least 36 members were discharged for "Ivolvement with illegal drugs" during the months of April, May and June of this year alone.)
 
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You are right, I spoke to soon. Men and women use drugs when they are offered.
 
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Are "they" checking the urine for DNA yet? Anyone know?

Are people able to "get away with it"...being occasional pot use, using a large h20 flush?
 
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Are people able to "get away with it"...being occasional pot use, using a large h20 flush?


No, and the stuff they sell in health food stores that will supposedly purge your system doesn't work either. My son manages a GNC and has spoken to folks that wanted a refund after they took it and failed the urine test.

P.S. - They didn't get it. Big Grin
 
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You use drugs? Get out of the Navy Prescription drugs are OK bought off the street is a NO NO
 
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You are right, I spoke to soon. Men and women use drugs when they are offered.


??? Confused ???

That is a pretty brazen generalization. If that is the case, drug abuse would be a much higher percentage across the board.
 
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You are right, I spoke to soon. Men and women use drugs when they are offered.


What?!!! That is just total nonsense. I have been offered drugs multiple times in my life and have NEVER ingested, smoked, snorted, inhaled or shot up an illegal substance. Just like millions of other people. You make it sound like people are so weak minded that simply being offered drugs is enough reason to take them.Those drug dealers must have it easier than I thought. "Do you want some drugs?" "Well, I had never thought about it before but if you are offering, heck yeah!"

Both of your comments on this post are pretty broad and unsubstantiated.
 
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In Ester’s defense, not all ‘drugs’ are illegal substances:

Caffeine is a drug… want a cup of coffee?
Alcohol is a drug… so much for drinking that beer after a hard day’s work.
Nicotine is a drug… so we’d better put down that cigarette and/or cigar.
Got a headache… drop that Tylenol.
And forget about the Bayer aspirin… it’s a drug, too.
And put down that 5 Hour Energy… and can of coke…

Unless one lives a very sheltered and boring life, Ester’s comment makes sense.

Luv Ya Stormie! Hope the Grandson is safe!!
 
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Are people able to "get away with it"...being occasional pot use, using a large h20 flush?


No, and the stuff they sell in health food stores that will supposedly purge your system doesn't work either. My son manages a GNC and has spoken to folks that wanted a refund after they took it and failed the urine test.

P.S. - They didn't get it. Big Grin


I know without a doubt that with a few hours prior warning you can beat the test with a massive water flush. What I was wondering is if the military has got wise to this yet and started demanding that there be a specific gravity or DNA present in lieu of the use of a whizinator?
 
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You don't give hours of notice. It's been many years as a tester or testee. Five or ten minutes was the most time given to donate a supervised sample. Flushing your system may stop a Mast, but it doesn't stop future suspicion. The lab results I received indicated THC or other drug levels. Exceeding a certain level led to an Art 15 investigation. Cased closed if below the limit.

I never discussed the figures with anyone, but the CO and XO also knew about test results. Having at least three officers on a 378 knowing about one's drug use was not a good thing. Damaged trust is not good for one's career. With command approval, I discretely removed people who tested slightly below the limit from any MLE or weapon handling activities, and from direct responsibility of handling cash. Future random drug testing always "randomly" included those who tested positive in the post. If clean for a few tests, the person quietly returned to earlier duties. This was not in accordance with the official policy, but it was real life.
 
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You don't give hours of notice. It's been many years as a tester or testee. Five or ten minutes was the most time given to donate a supervised sample. Flushing your system may stop a Mast, but it doesn't stop future suspicion. The lab results I received indicated THC or other drug levels. Exceeding a certain level led to an Art 15 investigation. Cased closed if below the limit.

I never discussed the figures with anyone, but the CO and XO also knew about test results. Having at least three officers on a 378 knowing about one's drug use was not a good thing. Damaged trust is not good for one's career. With command approval, I discretely removed people who tested slightly below the limit from any MLE or weapon handling activities, and from direct responsibility of handling cash. Future random drug testing always "randomly" included those who tested positive in the post. If clean for a few tests, the person quietly returned to earlier duties. This was not in accordance with the official policy, but it was real life.


Lots of closet stoners are using "Whizinator" type products...usually with artificial urine. A DNA check could be used. Also making member display full monty before delivery of specimen might be a good idea...or better yet switch to blood or hair testing.

Just seems to be an important question. Can a Stoner truly aspire to have a problem free hitch (in the least)? I know it has been done.
 
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In Ester’s defense, not all ‘drugs’ are illegal substances:

Caffeine is a drug… want a cup of coffee?
Alcohol is a drug… so much for drinking that beer after a hard day’s work.
Nicotine is a drug… so we’d better put down that cigarette and/or cigar.
Got a headache… drop that Tylenol.
And forget about the Bayer aspirin… it’s a drug, too.
And put down that 5 Hour Energy… and can of coke…

Unless one lives a very sheltered and boring life, Ester’s comment makes sense.

Luv Ya Stormie! Hope the Grandson is safe!!


I think that is a pretty poor defense as it in not in context at all and it still doesn't make sense but ok.

now to your comment, I don't live a sheltered or boring life but, I don't drink coffee, don't smoke, don't drink alcohol, soda or energy drinks. I do partake in the occasional motrin after completing marathon training since I had back surgery but that is about it. Our perceptions of boring and sheltered must be very different because I don't need any of that stuff to have a fun life. Wink
 
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No the CG does drug interdiction I think that the CG is clean (with some exceptions)


Seems I remember a CG CAPTAIN, among others, who recently got busted for a little "coke".... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Wray... Cool
 
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They don't just look for the drug chemicals anymore, they also look for a variety of the masking or flushing chemicals people use. So if they find those chemicals, you're just as guilty.
 
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They don't just look for the drug chemicals anymore, they also look for a variety of the masking or flushing chemicals people use. So if they find those chemicals, you're just as guilty.


With advanced notice no chemicals are required. Just large amounts of H20 will do the trick. In as much if the member has a whizinator strapped on.

The switch should be made to hair or blood testing.
 
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Anyone willing to risk a career by trying to outwit the tests, as well as those they are stationed with, will eventually fail. One gets what one deserves.
 
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Anyone willing to risk a career by trying to outwit the tests, as well as those they are stationed with, will eventually fail. One gets what one deserves.


Not true. Many have made it to retirement.

Not that such is good or a victory in any sense. Too much belief is placed in testing urine. The fact is it is the easiest to beat by far.
 
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I don't need any of that stuff to have a fun life.


Well maybe you ought to try because you took my post W-A-Y too seriously! Wink

And you are exactly what the new, improved CG wants! Congrats!
 
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