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FRANKLIN, Indiana — Severe storms flooded central Indiana with as much as 10 inches of rain and spawned tornadoes that ripped up roofs and flipped tractor-trailers in Wisconsin and the Chicago suburbs.

The floods in Indiana threatened dams, inundated highways and forced the Coast Guard to rescue residents from swamped homes Saturday. Rising waters forced the evacuation of more than 100 patients and doctors from a hospital south of Indianapolis.

To the northwest, Chicago-area residents ran for cover as tornadoes touched down throughout the region.

Wisconsin had a few tornado injuries, and at least one injury was reported near Chicago. The governor declared an emergency in 17 counties as the Coast Guard was called in from the Great Lakes to help with flooding that has forced hundreds of people from their homes.

Indiana had been spared any reported deaths or injuries due to flooding, but the Coast Guard was called in from the Great Lakes to help with flooding that has forced hundreds of people from their homes and closed portions of major routes.


BZ to these guys. From an emergency management planning standpoint, I have to wonder why the area cant depend on National Guard assets. I know Indiana has'nt sent everything to Iraq. Has the CG changed its mission to reflect air assistance during natural disasters? Is there an Memo of Understanding in place about who is responsible for what?

I would urge some caution here, you're going to start flying for 911 calls if you let this get out of hand.

T
 
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Flood relief is and has been the CG mission for years,they have the boats to geter done.
 
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Indiana's a red state with maybe ten miles of lakefront ... I say let 'em float.
 
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Flood relief is and has been the CG mission for years,they have the boats to geter done.


Flood relief from water borne assests yes, but like I said, what are the limitations of CG air assistance on land.

Some states have a well organized air assistance program, which for me, causes problems with planning.

Here is the Maryland State Police program, and notice what they fly. Maryland State Police Aviation Unit

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There aren't going to be a whole lot of states in the midwest and southeast with any real state law enforcement aviation programs capable of doing a lot of CG-type rescues. Your best bet is going to be the National Guard, and even then they may not have the right types of helicopter for this work. If you get into the mountainous states with more remote areas where helicopter rescues are needed more, it would be different.
 
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Air Stations Detroit, Traverse City, New Orleans, ATC Mobile, and several others have deployed helos to the Midwest many times over the years for flood ops. It wouldn't be something new but it's not the same as hoisting over a boat. It was done for Katrina ops which approximates the Midwest flood ops in hoisting procedure. Comms can be problematic due to the local/state agencies use of certain modes of UHF or VHF frequencies that our aircraft are not yet able to tune into. (HINT, HINT, you guys in HQ - - - the fix for the comms thing is out there; the legalities remain).
 
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I believe, at least locally, the CG helos can talk to the locals on NLETS (ISPERN in IL, WISPERN in WI and ILEIN in IN) on 155.475.

It's a national wide LE freq.
 
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When the CoastGuard unit in New Orleans saw the storm coming they sent their wife and kids north. I don't know how far north but it was for safety.
Then the CG did 60 hours of rescue's. Picking up people from the water, top of house's etc.
I have a card that shows a CG helicopter picking people out of the water, there is a rope down to the water and at the end of the rope it says "New Orleans Saints"
 
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Indiana's a red state with maybe ten miles of lakefront ... I say let 'em float.


I would respectfully disagree.

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militia one said" I know Indiana has'nt sent everything to Iraq"

This is not true. The 76th is in Iraq now
http://www.76bct.org/news/080317.htm
 
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Comms can be problematic due to the local/state agencies use of certain modes of UHF or VHF frequencies that our aircraft are not yet able to tune into. (HINT, HINT, you guys in HQ - - - the fix for the comms thing is out there; the legalities remain).


Something we talked about in the office was cell capability (plus cell DF) from the aircraft. I looked into it a few months back and it ain't cheap!
 
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My Sisters Daughter,Grandkids,Great Grandkids,all live in Indiana,SEMPER PAR TO THE COAST GUARDS FLOOD RELIEF BOATS/CREWS.
 
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Flood relief is and has been the CG mission for years,they have the boats to geter done.


Nothing like those "punts"
 
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I'm sure the CG has modernized the Punt fleet since I was in,from deepwater to shallowwater upgrades.Semp.Par.
 
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I havent joined the CG yet but as I see it the CG is there to help those in need. so what is the arguement here?
 
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FRANKLIN, Indiana — Severe storms flooded central Indiana with as much as 10 inches of rain and spawned tornadoes that ripped up roofs and flipped tractor-trailers in Wisconsin and the Chicago suburbs.

The floods in Indiana threatened dams, inundated highways and forced the Coast Guard to rescue residents from swamped homes Saturday. Rising waters forced the evacuation of more than 100 patients and doctors from a hospital south of Indianapolis.

To the northwest, Chicago-area residents ran for cover as tornadoes touched down throughout the region.

Wisconsin had a few tornado injuries, and at least one injury was reported near Chicago. The governor declared an emergency in 17 counties as the Coast Guard was called in from the Great Lakes to help with flooding that has forced hundreds of people from their homes.

Indiana had been spared any reported deaths or injuries due to flooding, but the Coast Guard was called in from the Great Lakes to help with flooding that has forced hundreds of people from their homes and closed portions of major routes.


BZ to these guys. From an emergency management planning standpoint, I have to wonder why the area cant depend on National Guard assets. I know Indiana has'nt sent everything to Iraq. Has the CG changed its mission to reflect air assistance during natural disasters? Is there an Memo of Understanding in place about who is responsible for what?

I would urge some caution here, you're going to start flying for 911 calls if you let this get out of hand.

T


We've been doing flood relief for many years. In the early 90s I was flying flood relief in Texas. We moved firefighters from one side of town to the other so they could go house to house checking on residents. We also rescued a 60 year old man and his 85 YO father from a house that was surrounded by swiftmoving water. Before they would leave, the swimmer had to go and open the gate for the cattle to get out of the pen. He waded through thigh deep water to do so and then we hoisted them from the front porch. We refueled at a crop dusters field. He didn't even charge us for the fuel. The next year we sent a helicopter to Houston during a flood. That crew rescued many people from flooded houses. So really this is nothing new for CG Aviation.
 
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Wonder how those punts work when you're "dike-jumpin'?
 
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Tony;
Yes there is an MOU. It is between us and the USAF, who is the Inland SAR Coordinator. (land, air, etc) What happens behind the scene is that some level of EM starts the request up, it ends up at the USAFRCC, who puts it down through CG Channels. (when they can not or do not find someone else) In technical terms, it is the USAF asking us to do it. Often 'heads up' phone calls are made and the assist happens beofre the official request hits, but that is what happens.

There are A/Ss in the CG that ROUTINELY do more inland SAR than over water SAR. I am talking about regular old everyday, not storm, no disaster, no nothing. HumBay was that way all four years I ran the Command Center.
 
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Tony;
Yes there is an MOU. It is between us and the USAF, who is the Inland SAR Coordinator. (land, air, etc) What happens behind the scene is that some level of EM starts the request up, it ends up at the USAFRCC, who puts it down through CG Channels. (when they can not or do not find someone else) In technical terms, it is the USAF asking us to do it. Often 'heads up' phone calls are made and the assist happens beofre the official request hits, but that is what happens.

There are A/Ss in the CG that ROUTINELY do more inland SAR than over water SAR. I am talking about regular old everyday, not storm, no disaster, no nothing. HumBay was that way all four years I ran the Command Center.


As usual Master Chief, your reply, and the others on this thread are helpful.

T
 
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