Can you get discharged from the coast guard if you got 3 drinking offense while off duty...NO D.U.I. Just 2 bar fights, and one that made him late 20 mins...to work..over a 3 year span..Im not condoning it at all just wondering. They said he is a wonderful member of the coastguard family, and he great at what he does, and he loves it. Only his outside behaviour got him discharged.. No excuses for his behavior just wondering, He is devestated he is being discharged..And it took almost 5 months for him to get the news that they were letting him go. i

if he is getting discharged, then i guess the answer to your question is, YES!

Yes. Its not about how many "drinking offenses" he has, its about how many Alcohol situations or Incidents he had. Generally speaking, for Enlisted, after your second one, your done. Officer, its your first.

I have seen members who have been given a third chance. In fact, I processed one, who received a waiver and a third chance, and then I caught him at exchange during the one hour he had off of restriction for AA picking up a cell phone. He was out three days later.

If I could be honest, if he has had three alcohol incidents, his discharge shouldnt be much of a surprise to you or him. His discharge shouldnt be devestating either since he clearly knew what was coming should he maintain course and speed, which apparently he was quite capable of.

T

Being the USCG is a 24x7 job, and his behavior has brought discredit to himself and the service. It does not have to a DUI to be an incident, i guarantee you a bar fight is considered an incident...I would think he may have some issues with alcohol once it affects his life like it has....

Actually, you MUST be discharged at your SECOND one if they were deemed 'alcohol incidents.' (Alcohol 'situations' have no limits really). Their is a slight chance you can be retained if your record is otherwise spotless after the second one. There is also a decent chance that if your record is marred otherwise, you can get the boot after the first one. This can happen even if over a 19 year span, much less a 3 year span. By the way, he KNEW before his first one this would happen. He was reminded after his first one and threatened after his second one. He knew a long time ago this would happen.

I hope you are looking out for this person as they have seriously demonstrted they have an incurable medical condition that will affect them the rest of their lives and has a HIGH likelyhood of killing them. They also probably have a serious anger management problem, condition number two. Since you are asking, I will bet you are probably the best thing in their life and only one of a very few people that can prevent them from killing themselves. Find some help figuring out how to help them.

Mighty and T:

This is a misconception and interpretation problem about Discharge, vs. PROCESS for discharge. For enlisted, on the second alcohol incident, you are PROCESSED..meaning you could STILL be retained, depending on the CO recommendation for retention or discharge (or at least it carries a significant amount of weight in EPM action). The THIRD time..if there IS a third one...is the no brainer..there is no PROCESS to determine IF a member is discharged...they WILL be discharged - no debate or recommendation will help the member at that point.

"Generally speaking, for Enlisted, after your second one, your done. Officer, its your first."

T - Officers get their one freebie. It's the second offense they get separated. There's no debate or CO recommendation to OPM that will keep the officer from getting separated.

Holy smokes ... two bar fights and yer out on yer keister? This sure ain't yer sea daddy's Coast Guard anymore, is it? Wray caused me to get into at least four, and I was only with him one tour! (It's his fault, he kept tying up at Dahlgren Navy Station).

We had two on one Alaskan cruise, plus the First Lieutenant got into one of his own in Juneau!

Have all Enlisted Men's Clubs been closed? Remember the Cattle Car at GTMO?

Ahh the good 'ol days...under todays rules we would never had the crew to get u/w lol.

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Ahh the good 'ol days...under todays rules we would never had the crew to get u/w lol.

I'm not sure what it would feel like to get underway without a hangover.

About enlisted clubs.......is Club 14 still open? Next trip I take to Hawaii I thought I'd drop by and show my wife the scene of many misadventures.

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Wray caused me to get into at least four, and I was only with him one tour! (It's his fault, he kept tying up at Dahlgren Navy Station).

Ah yes, now the (one more) secret is out.. guess it doesn't matter any more, not that it ever did... The only thing I don't remember is if I reported into CAPSTAN with one or 2 black eyes..

I'll never forget asking that Navy SEAL if he could balance a ball on his nose.. Not something I would recommend to people if they are not good friends with the SEAL.... even then it can sometimes be a "tense" situation ... depending on who is standing around.

I think the "bar fights" at Dahlgren were the last I have been in..... ('m a lover, not a fighter, but no need getting into that here...) boy they were fun at the time Guess we put those Navy guys in their place, huh SA.

Wray..

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The THIRD time..if there IS a third one...is the no brainer..there is no PROCESS to determine IF a member is discharged...they WILL be discharged - no debate or recommendation will help the member at that point.

When did they start this???? Has to be recently...

Club 14 is where you drank before going to town, drinks were alot cheaper there than Waikiki. I do know Hubba Hubbas closed down(Hotel Street). Think this thread got a bit off track. Alcoholism can be very devastating, we have all seen many lives ruined.

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The THIRD time..if there IS a third one...is the no brainer..there is no PROCESS to determine IF a member is discharged...they WILL be discharged - no debate or recommendation will help the member at that point.

When did they start this???? Has to be recently...

1F:
Read Ch. 20 of the Personnel Manual. It's in there, but very hard to understand.

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1F:
Read Ch. 20 of the Personnel Manual. It's in there, but very hard to understand.

It can definitely be a bit convoluted. Here's how I explain it to commands.

If you have a member with a second alcohol incident, you are required to submit a separation package. I'm shooting in the dark here, but I believe it's 20.B.2.h.2. that says something to the effect that COs retain the authority to request retention after a second alcohol incident. If a member has four years' service or less, then it falls under the Second Chance Program. If it's between 4-8 years, epm-1 takes action. Eight or more years' service, and the member is entitled to an Admin Sep Board.

Third incident is a show stopper. Now, I have seen one person retained after three incidents, but was as a result of an Admin Separation Board.

I hope club 14 is still open. I found a Club 14 Staff shirt a couple weeks ago (it shrunk, surely I haven't gained weight). I was really dissapointed in July when I found out they closed the Brass Buckle in Charleston and turned it into a Conference Room.

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This can happen even if over a 19 year span, much less a 3 year span.

I always thought this was ridiculous: holding that first incident over someone's head for the rest of their career. It always seemed to me that there should be some limit to how long you keep somebody on double-secret probation (OK, OK, I know it isn't secret, but you get my point).

BTW - this policy is not so new; it has been in the PERSMAN since at least 1990 or so.

My question remains unanswered. Is Club 14 still open? Anyone know the hours or any more info? I haven't been there since 1971.

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This can happen even if over a 19 year span, much less a 3 year span.

I always thought this was ridiculous: holding that first incident over someone's head for the rest of their career. It always seemed to me that there should be some limit to how long you keep somebody on double-secret probation (OK, OK, I know it isn't secret, but you get my point).

BTW - this policy is not so new; it has been in the PERSMAN since at least 1990 or so.

Not to silly at all. You shouldn't have EVEN ONE ARI. Now, as has been stated better than I did (That Mr G and WPB09) there is a process by which a member MIGHT be retained after that 16 year gap and they also have admin sep avenues. Once you get one ARI and decide to still put yourself into a situation where you might get a second one - don't look to me for sympathy.