Anyone knows about this? I heard it was so bad that although u/w, they flew him out of the CGC and flew in the temporary relief!

Here is the Navy time article.

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2007/10/coastguard_skipperrelieved_071004w/

Would be interesting to see what happened. Hmm

Back in '84, maybe '83, we had a Captain riding along on the Chase who was getting some refresher training before going to relieve a CO from either the Gallatin or the Dallas. One of those cutters had run hard aground near Norfolk and did some damage from what we heard.

Don

From the article:

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Hamilton is Lee’s fourth cutter command. He has been cited for outstanding leadership on numerous occasions and, from 2003 to 2005, served as school chief at the Coast Guard’s Command and Operations School where he instructed future cutter commanders and executive officers for duty afloat

Yep, sounds like he is someone who should be relieved for cause due to loss of confidence. With a record like his, I am surprised he wasnt relieved from ONE of the THREE other commands he has held. I mean after 24 years of service, who has confidence in your ability to do anything? Next career implosion please...

T

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Originally posted by MastersMate:
Cannot find the earlier posting, but did this not also occur at the beginning of the summer to the same cutter ??

There was mention of the relief in CGC Haley and ???? 378' WHEC.

I believe you are thinking of CGC Escanaba, whose CO was relieved following an arrest in Key West.

http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/415197802/m/8320048721001

Once again, everyone's quick to jump to conclusions. Everyone that has been relieved for cause and became the focus of discussion on these boards, was proven RIGHTFULLY relieved for cause. I am not saying the same fate will fall upon Capt. Lee. His record PRIOR to his relief, is impressive, and I, like others who attended the Command and Operations School, had the pleasure of interacting with him. However, past performance doesn't bullet-proof a person, and rather than jump to conclusions or begin smartmouthing the CG as to why he was relieved, let the facts come out and THEN base your opinions on that.

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Once again, everyone's quick to jump to conclusions.

What? And just what post here shows anyone jumping to any conclusions?

Back in the mid 80’s he was our Weapons Officer on the Boutwell, heck a good guy & team player, even allowed us to “pink belly” him in the armory when he made LT. crap, hazing thing scratch the pink belly reference and insert “congratulate” him. He’s a friend I lost contact with, and this sounds like there are quite a bit of missing pieces.

http://coastguardnews.com/

“Vice Adm. Charles D. Wurstermay recommend that Lee resume command of the ship or be permanently relieved.”

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Originally posted by wpbsailor2009:
Once again, everyone's quick to jump to conclusions. Everyone that has been relieved for cause and became the focus of discussion on these boards, was proven RIGHTFULLY relieved for cause. I am not saying the same fate will fall upon Capt. Lee. His record PRIOR to his relief, is impressive, and I, like others who attended the Command and Operations School, had the pleasure of interacting with him. However, past performance doesn't bullet-proof a person, and rather than jump to conclusions or begin smartmouthing the CG as to why he was relieved, let the facts come out and THEN base your opinions on that.

What conclusion? That he was relieved for cause? That isnt a conclusion, its a fact. That he had an excellent record? Again, not a conclusion, its a fact.

And as always, I will give the benefit of any doubt to the member, and not the CG until something or someone conviences me otherwise. Its happened before, and I was convienced otherwise in the Chief Tarr case.

After 3 commands, there are very few things that would initiate a RFC, since every CO before him had confidence in his ability to command. The folks here can guess at what those might be.

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“Vice Adm. Charles D. Wurstermay recommend that Lee resume command of the ship or be permanently relieved.”

And this makes alot of sense...... Lets relieve him for loss of confidence, but then come to the reality that there may have indeed been some confidence in his ability somewhere, by someone. However there still might not be any, so he can be permanently relieved if someone discovers there was no confidence at the time he was relieved.

T

Mastermate USCGC Astoris was decommed from there maybe your thinking of that. Happened around the same time I believe.

Don, In June 84, I was five days aboard Gallatin, as a new Ensign, when we pulled in to Norfolk to start the second leg of cadet training. We docked bow to bow across the pier from a carrier. Dallas' CO was heading to GI for retirement. Dallas made a three point turn to head for sea. Problem was, as they cleared the carrier, the wind and sternward momentum pushed them over a sandbar near a breakwater. Three Navy tugs had to pull the ship back over the sandbar. I watched two tow lines part. The sonar dome, bow prop, and screws were damaged. Not a pretty sight. Instead of Governors Island, ship went straight to Curtis Bay.

I know what happened.

The helmsman sneezed, the good Captain said "God bless you", and the atheist SA lookout was offended.

Political correctness has ruined more than just one great career recently. And of course, with that questionable record ("been cited for outstanding leadership on numerous occasions") what else could it possibly be?

Now that's funny.

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Originally posted by Mazski9:
I know what happened.

The helmsman sneezed, the good Captain said "God bless you", and the atheist SA lookout was offended.

Political correctness has ruined more than just one great career recently. And of course, with that questionable record ("been cited for outstanding leadership on numerous occasions") what else could it possibly be?

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What conclusion? That he was relieved for cause? That isnt a conclusion, its a fact. That he had an excellent record? Again, not a conclusion, its a fact.

I think the conclusion referred to was based on your comment:

"Yep, sounds like he is someone who should be relieved for cause due to loss of confidence. With a record like his, I am surprised he wasn't relieved from ONE of the THREE other commands he has held. "

That comment could be interpreted as jumping to the conclusion that the relief was uncalled for and the CG hierarchy acted rashly.

The litle rolling eyes emoticon is meant to denote sarcasm.......

Tnies

Are you so totally lost, that you cannot see the OBVIOUS sarcasm in the statement you cited.

After 3 other cutter commands, and a tour at the Staff an Ops school, for CO'S and such,that this is the LAST officer that would have been relieved due "to loss of Confidence." That's where the sarcasm is.


Jack

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Originally posted by RBruce:
Don, In June 84, I was five days aboard Gallatin, as a new Ensign, when we pulled in to Norfolk to start the second leg of cadet training. We docked bow to bow across the pier from a carrier. Dallas' CO was heading to GI for retirement. Dallas made a three point turn to head for sea. Problem was, as they cleared the carrier, the wind and sternward momentum pushed them over a sandbar near a breakwater. Three Navy tugs had to pull the ship back over the sandbar. I watched two tow lines part. The sonar dome, bow prop, and screws were damaged. Not a pretty sight. Instead of Governors Island, ship went straight to Curtis Bay.

Thanks. I never heard from someone who was there. I certainly wasn't passing judgement, just that we met the new CO while he was on the Chase.

Man, if I had a dollar for everytime I touched bottom......never mind!

Don

"Tnies

Are you so totally lost, that you cannot see the OBVIOUS sarcasm in the statement you cited."

Are you so totally lost that you didn't read what I said? I said it COULD be interpreted that way, not that it SHOULD be. But since you are so smart and I am so clueless, how would you explain the "jumping to conclusion" comment of WPBSailor2009?

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Originally posted by tnies:
"Tnies

Are you so totally lost, that you cannot see the OBVIOUS sarcasm in the statement you cited."

... how would you explain the "jumping to conclusion" comment of WPBSailor2009?

What WPBSailor2009 said was

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... past performance doesn't bullet-proof a person, and rather than jump to conclusions or begin smartmouthing the CG as to why he was relieved, let the facts come out and THEN base your opinions on that ...

I think it's pretty clear what he is saying - rather than jump to conclusions ... let the facts come out ...

How would you explain what was said?

--Jim
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