SA - My point exactly. Thanks for picking it up! There are many in the CG with intuitive cognition, some call it "a gut feeling." It's a skill they've honed from dealing with people of varying backgrounds and skills every day in their given jobs. After awhile, patterns start developing that are unique to different groups of people or circumstances. It's what pushes people to go that extra step to get the job done, find the missing person, or get the ship home. It also used to be friendly banter across the rates, before everyone got too sensitive.
JAC - Pretentious? Not sure where you're headed with that one . . .I used the phrase Reading is Fundamental and Writing Helps for years. Lighten up, it was a funny and I couldn't resist! Once you understand what the guidelines are by reading them, and the spirit in which they were written, you can write a clear and proper response, rebuttal, or request for change in policy, if something is outdated, or plead your case. That's not "pretentious." That's using the tools given to all of us to get the job done, and utilizing our position in the Chain to make it happen for the betterment of all. That's all.
And another one. This one hits home, I sailed on Monomoy. Those who really really know me will see the irony here.
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The Navy Times Tuesday, February 19, 2008
CG relieves cutter skipper in Persian Gulf
Staff report
The commanding officer of a 110-foot patrol boat stationed in the Persian Gulf has been "temporarily relieved for cause," the Coast Guard announced Tuesday.
Lt. Kerry D. McKeever, skipper of the cutter Monomoy, has been reassigned to the Coast Guard's Atlantic Area command in Portsmouth, Va., while officials investigate his conduct, Atlantic Area spokesman Lt. Rob Wyman said in a statement.
The Woods Hole, Mass.-based Monomoy has been assigned a temporary commanding officer, although that officer's identity was not immediately available. The Coast Guard did not disclose more information on the cause of McKeever's relief.
"The Coast Guard takes the responsibility of command very seriously, and we're following the established administrative processes to determine the most appropriate course of action from here," said Atlantic Area commander Adm. Brian Peterman, in a statement.
The Monomoy is attached to Coalition Task Force 158, a multinational naval force that conducts maritime security operations and specifically protects the oil terminals of the Persian Gulf.
Why does everybody want to pretend to care about wtf happened....I bet if it was between BM2 and a FS3 or Sn at a Station or Cutter,no one here would give a damn,I feel that each person makes their own choices,regardless of the consequences.So why dont we just sit and wait and let the parties involved in the RFC's deal with their noted issues and go from there. There is no reason to muddy,mar,or slanderize a person without accutal supported fact,seemingly it is a bookable offense.So I would tread lightly with speaking bad of anyone for that matter.If they want you to know they would tell everyone.It pains me to know that our fellow SHIPMATES bastardize the one who has gotten caught,without any knowledge of the situation. 8yr Bm3 sends...... Bm3 Albo
BM3, it comes w/ the territory. The day you are senior enough to be an OIC, you will understand. Reality is that if you step to the plate, you better be ready to not just hit the ball, but also to take the pain when you get hit by a pitch...and that's what happens here. If you (they) can't take it, then they should not pony up for the job. There is a lot of glorification and rewards for being a CO or OIC, but also, there is a lot more of responsibility that comes w/ it.
Keko....I understand,but what I dont condone the open chastizing of people when all of the facts are not known by everyone,as I have learned from previous experince and been through.I know about stepping up to the plate and taking a swing,hit or a ball to the face,and take the pain nomatter how bad it hurts,while I have not been an OIC or CO,I do understand and have been affected by,what happens when rumors fly,it happens too often in this branch,when we need to base intelligent decisions and accuztations on fact,not well I heard! BM3 Albo
If some of you will remember the Monomoy had another CO relieved back in late '04 shortly after it arrived in Bahrain. As a matter of fact I drove her to the airport and dropped her off. I wonder if there is some common thread here? After that incident the new CO was relieved a little while later on the Monomoy after at least one female made an allegation aginst him for either harassment or an inappropriate relationship. Could it be because of the mixed crew working in a stressful envornment and so close together?
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Originally posted by Infantry32: Monomoy had another CO relieved back in late '04 shortly after it arrived in Bahrain. As a matter of fact I drove her to the airport and dropped her off. I wonder if there is some common thread here? After that incident the new CO was relieved a little while later on the Monomoy after at least one female made an allegation aginst him for either harassment or an inappropriate relationship. Could it be because of the mixed crew working in a stressful envornment and so close together?
Common thread? The only common thread that I think should be spun is that they were all CO's... gender irrelevant. Is it more shocking or appalling that a female was relieved then a male? No - it shouldn't. Relieved for cause is relieved for cause whether the individual has a "baby deliverer" or a "baby seed".
(P.S. I think it's insane that the MEDICAL terms for genitals is changed to ******'s)
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Infantry - I'm not going to moderate this thread; someone else can I am posting an opinion: I find your name change of the cutter offensive; CGC MONOMOY had nothing to do with the relief(s) for cause. You have insulted the Cutter and not the persons involved. Would you change your post voluntarily?
The first CO was not relieved for anything involving "sexual harassment" or an improper relationship, IIRC it was for loss of confidence. The second CO which would have been early '05 was for an alleged improper realtionship and now the current CO. It just seems somewhat odd that at least 3 CO's that I know have been relieved on the same cutter in such a short period of time.
No offense was meant on my part, just bad taste and a twisted sense of humor.
Originally posted by Nobodyaskedmebut: Infantry - I'm not going to moderate this thread; someone else can I am posting an opinion: I find your name change of the cutter offensive;
Nobody,
FYI, it isn't Infantry's name for the cutter, it has been called the Moni#@%t for years. I can recall hearing it called that many, many times while it was still in Woods Hole.
There use to be a time that renaming a cutter to something colorful was the SOP. Anyone remember: Unimak-Unicrack/Unibarge (Pier 379) Ute-Poot Lipan-Bedpan Diligence-DillXXX (fill it in) Evergreen-Evergone Resolute-Rottie-Toot (Roach Coach)
and so on. I'm sure, there were times that these names didn't sit well with the crew but everyone survived. Those that didn't got past it. As twisted or off color as the renaming of the cutter, it was pretty good. Other then that.. another tradition gone to dung because of the sake to be PC.
