After that post, by a moderator, I find it right funny this post was started by a moderator.
Now tell me again what we are supposed to talk about on here, without getting suspended?
Is it our opinions?? Isn't that what starts all this??!!!!!!!!!!!
Dang, I lost myself on that one.

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Originally posted by 1F:
After that post, by a moderator, I find it right funny this post was started by a moderator.
Now tell me again what we are supposed to talk about on here, without getting suspended?
Is it our opinions?? Isn't that what starts all this??!!!!!!!!!!!
Dang, I lost myself on that one.

Master Chief - if you read the thread from start to finish you'll find a lot of opinions posted about the topic. There are several different points being discussed - including an ongoing discussion about the fallacy of trying one in the public opinion poll (the forums) which happens almost everytime info about a RFC gets posted. Posting your opinion (i.e. your point or counterpoint) is encouraged; if you don't agree with someone's comment write you opinion about the comments. If you attack the member instead of posting your counterpoint then that can cause a problem. There are a few posts on this discussion that are examples of the point I'm trying to illustrate...

Welcome to the forums.

keko, I am about to hit 15 and I am an E-6 does that mean I am dumb? Everybody has different ideas at what bench marks to meet where, I am proud of my job and I know what position I am at is me, not any one else. Here we are talking about one thing and you bash everybody who isn't an E-7 by 15? grow up.

Dave.. don't blow a gasket. Remember, it was a 1st class who got the CG’s ONLY CMH. I’m sure there were lots of marines who could care less that he made 1st class in 4 years or if he was 1 day short of retirement. Heck at the rate he was going, by the time he hit 8, he could have been a MC. But that’s beside the point… Sometimes, people get out of the military way too soon and delay their move to south Florida.

Back on TOPIC:
I agree with the fans of the Willows CO. The guy seems like a well liked, well rounder CO. However, as the past has made us see (the CO of the NEW Mackinaw for example) being a chum with the crew (or fighting in the back alleys) only gets you on the radar of some district or area commander at some point then it's weapons locked. Even if your nice to the towns people and doing your job, all the local support and blood line in the world can't protect you when your in the sites of your next higher up. Sometimes, people just want to ask "what happened", "what did he/she do" just because they can't find their National Intruder mag. Don't know the guy but wish him the best and if he can retire, the grass is greener on the other side.

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I am always amused by the continuing conversations on these boards about time in service and what rate someone has achieved. Early in my active duty career most BM's I served with had quite a few years in the CG having "only" advanced to BM2 or BM1. It was not unusual for some of them to retire as BM2's or BM1's. In all but a few cases, the ones I worked with were outstanding BM's and leaders. I never once thought less of them, I just listened, watched, followed and learned. As a result, I was able to advance more rapidly. Whether it was timing or being able to take a test, I got ahead more quickly than they did. Never changed my respect for them and their accomplishments. On topic, how we act is in most cases is in our total control. We know the rules and the consequences. Whether a good person or not, if we break the rules we are responsible for following, we suffer the consequences. Especially in positions of leadership. I wish nothing but the best for the CO of the Willow and hope that even if wrong, a career of high performance is considered when determining the outcome of this case. If a person has earned it, he/she should get a "do over". Seems somewhat inconsistent to give a high performer a break and an underachiever no second chance. But maybe to truly be fair we ultimately cannot treat everyone equally.

I guess some people (mostly under achievers) don't get it. As the moderator indicted...back to the topic.

Great guy or not, the fact remains that he did something that a Flag Officer thought was sufficient to relieve him for cause. It's not a matter of whether he is guilty or not.

Sounds a lot like King of the Hill

Artic.. good post.

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Originally posted by kekojones123:
I guess some people (mostly under achievers) don't get it.

Funny you bring this up. My “under achiever” oldest son gets mostly A’s with a B now and then. He works harder at trying not to do more then he has too then doing the work. He’s so under the radar, we get automated calls from school sometimes saying he was absent when we know otherwise. Even his teachers brag about him but say he's somewhat a shadow at times. He’s happy just doing his own thing and being himself. Not to over look the fact he just got his boy scout eagle project approved so he is interested enough to achieve something important in his life and would make a good ATC (air traffic controller) as nothing seems to push him over the edge (except my yelling when he’s driving) . Now, my 14 year old daughter , she’s the over achiever. Love her to death but she doesn’t care who she steps on to get there and I worry, she doesn’t care how she gets there and no matter how we try to point out this flaw, she rolls her big brown eyes and gets all bent out of shape for getting lectured . If she can get 110% on a test, she gets it and BUT gets a little crazy if she doesn’t and will confront her teacher if she feels she should have. It wasn’t something she was taught, she’s just that way and being a female, this will serve her well I hope. She is very social and sometimes has a hard time dealing with rejection and boundaries. The oldest, he just blows it off and mopes right along. The girl, gets pretty close to needing therapy. So they both will go far in life I’m sure but so far, it appears the under achiever is the more stable and happiest. Which one are you again?

Something I doubt you understand but I’ll put it out there anyway. A coin has 2 sides. Doesn’t matter which side you flip it, it’s still worth the same in the end.

Yeah.. I know.. off topic but hey, just playing along.

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I've been watching this for a while now. Having a co-worker here that has friends on the Willow and some pretty good inside intel, some aren't far off with their idea of what happened to cause the relief. But I won't drag that out here as it isn't my place. No matter what mistakes are made by some one, their dignity and privacy should still be respected. After all, who are we to judge? That's up to that persons superiors, not me.

In regards to some peoples opinion about "under achievers", apparently in the leadership of said individual, (keko), some one has failed to drive the point home that it takes all kinds of people to make this great big world go around. Not every one attains the same "status", as every one else. It's imposible to do so. I've been in a total of just over 15 years. 4 in the Marines, and 11 in the Coast Guard. I made first in just under 10 years. But I still have 15 total time in. Oh yeah, and I've been a CC and an instructor for my rate. Does this make me an under achiever?

Sometimes, it's good to look past the end of ones nose.

On a small tangent, and it may sound trite, but I truly felt I learned as much in the latter days of my career as I did at the start. While there were truly great officers, and quite a few Chiefs that taught me significantly, the bulk of good, deckplate knowledge (technical and procedural) resides at the PO1 level and below. Simply by numbers and currency in work, this would be true, but beyond that, the young folks coming in and coming up through all my years always seemed to get better and brighter. Not all advanced on schedule, but with few exceptions, this was really never an indicator of smarts and common sense.

sindbad opines


P.S. This wander off-topic has been brought to you by coffee. Now, back on topic!

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the young folks coming in and coming up through all my years always seemed to get better and brighter

This is just so true; some of the incoming freshmen this year have already been racking up college credits. I'm bucking my a$$ on pre-calc against these stepford clones.

phlegmatic,

I'm going to a-s-s-u-m-e that you have a bit of sarcastic head of steam on...

....I learned about a decade ago that a goodly portion of EVERY generation thinks they have it tougher and that they are sharper than the generation(s) coming after them, so I'm not surprised by what appears to be a swipe at the latest crop of youngsters manning the rails and doing the work.

And, this also means that the generation that had the watch before you, probably thought somewhat less of you as well.

Plus' a change, plus cie la meme chose.

sindbad offers

I Am serious; these incoming kids seem like they've all been on HGH for their brains, and indoctrinated for budding superpowers. I heard that the college courses they pick up will rate against their final school GPA at GREATER than 4.0 - based upon their "supposed" difficulty.

So, I'm a relatively serious grade w-hore, at least enough to please my old man; but how am I supposed to compete? There's the possibility next year that our valedictorian won't have originated with our class, but a newer crop of eggheads; all due to Daddy Warbucks and Sylvan Mamas, boosted by Ritalin and Xanax cocktails prescribed by their "Life Coaches".

It's not fair.

Ah, "it's not fair."

But life, it isn't fair, right?



sindbad

whats all that have to do with the thread?

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