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Originally posted by Infantry32:
On a side note. There are other companies out there aside from Blackwater. SOC-SMG, EODT, Triple Canopy, MVM, DynCorp. Armor Group, Aegis Defense, etc...Many of them pay close or equal to BW. I have friends that are working for all of the above at the moment. I have worked for a couple of them myself.

Of course, they don't have the sexy BW name and the cool logo, but the money spends the same.

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Originally posted by gaylordstevens:

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Originally posted by Infantry32:
On a side note. There are other companies out there aside from Blackwater. SOC-SMG, EODT, Triple Canopy, MVM, DynCorp. Armor Group, Aegis Defense, etc...Many of them pay close or equal to BW. I have friends that are working for all of the above at the moment. I have worked for a couple of them myself.

Of course, they don't have the sexy BW name and the cool logo, but the money spends the same.

It is understandable why groups like Blackwater are able to put forth the elite image one might associate with elements of the military. They are made up of men (perhaps women) who hold specialized military training. My concerns follow those on the ground - and those at the top. The American people bear the ultimate glory and/or burden of actions taken by our military. We know who will get the glory. Who will bear the burden.

And more, I wonder what it has done to the military. I wonder if these people had remained in service if they could not have accomplished more -- though on less money. Certainly their departure lessened the capabilities within the Department of Defence.

I was reminded recently that sometimes men and women ask for power that is more than a truely good man would want, and more than a bad man should have.

This subject is a very complex one. I only know that I consider the ramifications of utilizing such organizations that can easily be confused (by others on the ground) as part and parcel with the United States Armed Forces. I'm still thinking, hope others are, too.

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Originally posted by Infantry32:
GAYLORD<

Anything that your phonyazz self has to say about this should be saved. You aren't even qualified to talk about the matter. Go back to your hole.

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Originally posted by gaylordstevens:

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Originally posted by Infantry32:
On a side note. There are other companies out there aside from Blackwater. SOC-SMG, EODT, Triple Canopy, MVM, DynCorp. Armor Group, Aegis Defense, etc...Many of them pay close or equal to BW. I have friends that are working for all of the above at the moment. I have worked for a couple of them myself.

Of course, they don't have the sexy BW name and the cool logo, but the money spends the same.

It is understandable why groups like Blackwater are able to put forth the elite image one might associate with elements of the military. They are made up of men (perhaps women) who hold specialized military training. My concerns follow those on the ground - and those at the top. The American people bear the ultimate glory and/or burden of actions taken by our military. We know who will get the glory. Who will bear the burden.

And more, I wonder what it has done to the military. I wonder if these people had remained in service if they could not have accomplished more -- though on less money. Certainly their departure lessened the capabilities within the Department of Defence.

I was reminded recently that sometimes men and women ask for power that is more than a truely good man would want, and more than a bad man should have.

This subject is a very complex one. I only know that I consider the ramifications of utilizing such organizations that can easily be confused (by others on the ground) as part and parcel with the United States Armed Forces. I'm still thinking, hope others are, too.

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Originally posted by gaylordstevens:
[QUOTE] We know who will get the glory. Who will bear the burden.

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Originally posted by gaylordstevens:

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Originally posted by Infantry32:
GAYLORD<

Anything that your phonyazz self has to say about this should be saved. You aren't even qualified to talk about the matter. Go back to your hole.

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Originally posted by gaylordstevens:

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Originally posted by Infantry32:
On a side note. There are other companies out there aside from Blackwater. SOC-SMG, EODT, Triple Canopy, MVM, DynCorp. Armor Group, Aegis Defense, etc...Many of them pay close or equal to BW. I have friends that are working for all of the above at the moment. I have worked for a couple of them myself.

Of course, they don't have the sexy BW name and the cool logo, but the money spends the same.

It is understandable why groups like Blackwater are able to put forth the elite image one might associate with elements of the military. They are made up of men (perhaps women) who hold specialized military training. My concerns follow those on the ground - and those at the top. The American people bear the ultimate glory and/or burden of actions taken by our military. We know who will get the glory. Who will bear the burden.

And more, I wonder what it has done to the military. I wonder if these people had remained in service if they could not have accomplished more -- though on less money. Certainly their departure lessened the capabilities within the Department of Defence.

I was reminded recently that sometimes men and women ask for power that is more than a truely good man would want, and more than a bad man should have.

This subject is a very complex one. I only know that I consider the ramifications of utilizing such organizations that can easily be confused (by others on the ground) as part and parcel with the United States Armed Forces. I'm still thinking, hope others are, too.

Personal attacks: While they provide a certain amount of entertainment value, reflect poorly on your abilities to converse on a subject that bears weight.

I told I lie, but I did grow up.

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Originally posted by gaylordstevens:
Infantry32 - I did not even suggest the work the contractors are doing served no purpose. I only suggested that they are doing jobs that would have been carried out by the military if they weren't there.

I believe that is true. If I am wrong in any post I make, I welcome correction.

My argument was providing a way to do jobs the military would be doing by hiring personel outside the military; but largely draw on military experience, debilitates the military that we have, is less cost effective and hurts the moral of some of those pulling multiple tours there.

Please provide some proof that retention is being hurt by your supposition that contracting companies are sucking away resources.

As I stated previously DoS contracts and those of NGO's that are working in hostile areas are not directly supported by the military. The WPPS program is a State Dept. program and the three main companies involved are BW, Triple Canopy, and DynCorp.

CGSCOTTY - You act as if you know what I did during the months when those stories were in the news, but more to the point, you write as if you know what I do now.

Perhaps you could post something that you believe I'm doing now. If you are right, I suspect you have read enough of my posts to know that I will tell you that you are correct.

If you decided the lie was beyond what should be forgiven under any circumstances, I will respect that point of view.

Sadly, you will elect to post nothing that deals with real issues or facts. Yes, I made this statement to make it difficult for you not to... and --