Here is a topic I started over on the Chiefs.com board.. What are your thoughts about this over here:

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Ok, I have been dealing with an issue for several months now which concerns me greatly..... Without sharing my opinion, or who this person is, tell me what YOU think... I will also let you know what has and has not been done, concerning this.

A YN1 retires from the CG ....

He later gets a job at a school teaching in the CG JROTC program. For whatever reasons (unknown to me) the school, already has an retired CG E-6 employed there...

This YN1 gets someone to sign "Honorary Chief" certificate.

I 'believe' this YN1 is told he can wear an E-7 uniform while teaching at this school ... (I still don't agree with this) He is NOT to wear the uniform outside of any school activities.

This same YN1 has worn a FULL MESS DRESS CPO uniform to a friends wedding in MD. He had several pictures of himself in a complete Chief's uniform in various locations with various people.

Once again.. he retired as an E-6.

So, just what are your thoughts about this one.

Wray...

Its not right!

Is that the one that teaches at the Mast Academy in Miami? I think I've heard about this before. I don't care what the students ahve to call them, but I would have a hard time addressing them as Chief.

...pretty simple. Recall from retirement and give him/her actual authorization to wear a uniform other than E-6.

Holy crap. That's total B.S.! He hasn't EARNED the right to wear that uniform

Seems there should be someone, somewhere, that could bring this to a screeching halt. Damn near like the "stolen valor" cases.

Now, something I forgot to mention was he has a "certificate" giving him the title of "Honorary Chief"... It was signed by MCPO-CG Patton & ADM Loy.

Wray....

I still think it's B.S. Unless he was designated to the next higher paygrade during official capacity, by COMDTINST, he should take that certificate and FRAME it proudly but to wear a uniform not earned 'properly' is not right.

Integrity check? If this guy can honestly look himself in the mirror while putting on the uniform and insignia of a Chief Petty Officer then more power to him but at the end of the day I believe the intent of the "honorary Chief Certificate" was more symbolic and ceremonial than granting someone permission to impersonate a Chief Petty Officer. Just another hollow shell of a human being whose percieved position in life is dependent on inpersonating a figure / title that they couldn't earn. This really chaps my @$$!
Cheers!

Oh, one more point... He is in direct violation of COMDTINST M1020.6F FEBRUARY 2009 (Uniform Regulations Manual) which states:

1.B.5. Uniform Wear by Retired or Separated Personnel

The table below describes the occasions when members who are not on active duty may wear the uniform per U. S. Code Title 14, Chapter 13, Section 483. Such individuals will at no time portray themselves as being on active duty with the Coast Guard. The uniform may be worn traveling to and from the event described in the table below. All retired or honorably discharged members, engaged as an instructor or student at an educational institution or military society, may wear the Coast Guard uniform but may not wear the Coast Guard insignia, devices, badges, or awards. Any insignia worn should distinguish the uniform as distinctly different from the Coast Guard. See 10 U.S.C. Section 773.


Wray...

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Is that the one that teaches at the Mast Academy in Miami?

Yes it is.....

Wray...

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...pretty simple. Recall from retirement and give him/her actual authorization to wear a uniform other than E-6.

Why in the world would you do that?

Wray...

Wray, key would be not what some ceremonial certificate (even if signed by the MCPOCG and the COMDT) states, but rather what is indicated on the member's DD Form-1173. The wear of anything else senior than indicated on such would constitute an impersonation and potential violation of federal law, UCMJ and just a few CG regulations.

You are spot-on on this (as I'm certain you already knew anyway).

Back in my SCIF.

Respectfully,
Surface Force

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Originally posted by Wray:

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...pretty simple. Recall from retirement and give him/her actual authorization to wear a uniform other than E-6.

Why in the world would you do that?

Wray...

I thought you would catch my point without me saying it! Read it again! (and think about ME)

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Originally posted by Mightyz90_93:

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Originally posted by Wray:

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...pretty simple. Recall from retirement and give him/her actual authorization to wear a uniform other than E-6.

Why in the world would you do that?

Wray...

I thought you would catch my point without me saying it! Read it again! (and think about ME)

There is never a waiting list or a cut for the paygrade just below the one the member currently holds.

Wray-
A quick google search of MAST ACADEMY turned up the blog spot of this institution's principal (Thomas C. Fisher II) try "mastcaptblog". I'd recommend sending hom a note on his blog or a letter to the institution voicing your displeasure with one of his staff who appears to be in direct violation of a federal law. Just a thought.
Cheers!
Phil

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Originally posted by 1110:

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Originally posted by Mightyz90_93:

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Originally posted by Wray:

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...pretty simple. Recall from retirement and give him/her actual authorization to wear a uniform other than E-6.

Why in the world would you do that?

Wray...

I thought you would catch my point without me saying it! Read it again! (and think about ME)

There is never a waiting list or a cut for the paygrade just below the one the member currently holds.

OK...... I thought you all knew me enough that I didn't HAVE to use the word 'lower' instead of 'other.'

I sure as hell didn't mean let him wear the cap!

Here is some more of the story... The MCPO-CG is already aware of this. He was before I brought it to his attention. Apparently others have questioned this as well.

Supposedly, this YN1 was given "authorization" to wear a Chief's uniform at the academy, while teaching. The authorization also supposedly came from the 'CG Recruiting Command'. As time passes, so do people. I have been in touch with the XO there. He tells me they are "working on the issue". Being the impatient person I am, and considering this is such a cut and dry case (in my opinion) I fail to see or understand the delay.

Wray...

Hold and Honorary CCTI for him!!

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Originally posted by Mightyz90_93:
OK...... I thought you all knew me enough that I didn't HAVE to use the word 'lower' instead of 'other.'

I sure as hell didn't mean let him wear the cap!

I picked right up on what you were getting at Phil.