April weigh-ins are upon us. Will all commands enforce current policy or overlook and wait for new OCT09 standards?

OCT09 standards are going to hit the senior commands people the hardest. I hope to see the senior people on the scales with us.

FAIR or FOUL?

I would suggest maybe reading a message board once in a while. The answer to your question is available.

October weigh-ins are going to hit short people with big wrists the most, not senior folks. Further, everyone had 14 months notice that the weight which determines whether or not you get taped will change. For some it stayed the same, for others it went down, for a very few, it went up. Anyone who was in compliance with BF 8 months ago had 14 months heads up to loose ONE % BF. That one percent can be AS LITTLE AS 1/8th of an inch in measurement!

Finally, just as it is now, your 'weight' is really pretty irrelvant in our standards. There is no max weight. There is only a number that determines who gets their BF checked.

Same answer to the same question that you asked last time around... FAIR.

I have ran the program at the last four units I have been assigned. The last three, I have made it a point to weigh by department, with the officers and chiefs at the front of the line. I get very little heartburn from the chiefs and officers (it occasionally happens - but a quick phone call to the CMC or to the XO (who desperately wants to keep his name off that bad boy list), and the problem quickly goes away.

Fair or foul? That's a silly question. It's not like it is urinalysis where we surprise you. Or we spin a wheel and pick a magic number which you are supposed to weigh. EVERYONE knows when, where and how much way in advance. How is that not FAIR?

(Oh and just one note on what the previous poster mentioned. In my experience, it seems that 4-5 lbs is equaling about 1% BF. That is FOURTEEN MONTHS to lose 4 lbs. Not exactly burning up the old scales on that one. Then if you factor in the "up to eight months" to come in compliance, we are talking about 22 mohths (almost TWO YEARS!) to lose 4 lbs before something bad happens to you. I'm not a doctor and I don't play one on TV, but I think this is doable folks... That is less than THREE OUNCES A MONTH!)

2494906 - to add to your comment; re: the surprise of a urinalysis shouldn't be nor as you say, the weight program comes as no surprise. Everyone should know that a urinalysis should be coming, only not when. If you are living a lifestyle that you have to worry about a urinalysis maybe you shouldn't be in the service.

If you wake up on Monday and realize your semi-annual (that's every six months for you academy types ) weigh in is on Wednesday and you need to lose 25# well guess what - it isn't going to happen. What were you doing for 5 months and 28 days? From someone who had a promotion delayed because of a command who enforced the program, let me tell you - its a real PITA trying to lose weight but the dangling carrot made a great incentive. Didn't get the back pay but the DOR was back dated to 1 June...it took me until mid-Sept to sweat 20# off. Sweating off the last 4 pounds in the hanger of a 270 while at the dock in Old San Juan isn't fun...

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Then if you factor in the "up to eight months" to come in compliance, we are talking about 22 mohths (almost TWO YEARS!) to lose 4 lbs before something bad happens to you.

06, don't forget that for the Oct Weigh in, there is not supposed to be the 8% and your gone. The max BF% allowed for probation is suspended for OCT, so it could be even MORE than that.


(Note for those who may be close to 9% over body fat, I am firing from the cuff here, so look it up yourself before you waddle in for your weighing just in case I mis-read something)

I agree w/ everyone here. I myself dropped 30 lbs in 2 months by just following a simple rule. Portion control.

But the issue is whether the standards are fair or not. Whether someone can drop X amount of ounces/month or whatever. The issue is if the standards are going to be applied and are they going to be applied accross the board. We all have seen at some point how standards are applied to others and not to others...in particular as the original post here, to seniors.

But if applied equally, yes, I agree. It is fair and very doable.

FAIR

Everyone knows when they are scheduled, and everyone is compared to the same chart. When the new guidelines start, everyone will still be judged against the same percentage. I stated this on the other thread, but I think it bears repeating...

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The way I see it, this thread started almost 6 months ago... If you had a weight problem then, you've had plenty of time to correct it (or at least make significant progress) by now. I don't think typing on a keyboard complaining about it is a good way to burn a lot of calories.

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Originally posted by kekojones123:
I agree w/ everyone here. I myself dropped 30 lbs in 2 months by just following a simple rule. Portion control.

But the issue is whether the standards are fair or not. Whether someone can drop X amount of ounces/month or whatever. The issue is if the standards are going to be applied and are they going to be applied accross the board. We all have seen at some point how standards are applied to others and not to others...in particular as the original post here, to seniors.

But if applied equally, yes, I agree. It is fair and very doable.

I'm not going to speculate or break out the crystal ball (dead batt; in the shop!). I will restrict my opinion and my comments to things which I have PERSONAL knowledge of and responsibility for. I will not speculate on what the dog catcher's first cousin's babysitter once said...

Based on my experience and observations, then I can without hesitation say "FAIR". Am I saying there aren't some out there cheating? Of course not. But that could be said about Urinalysis, 8H, DUI, shoplifting or wifebeating. If that is the criteria being used, then nothing is fair. Then again... if your momma told you life was fair, she owes you an apology. You should give her a call. She lied. Sorry...

I think it's Fair. We should have better fitness assessments as well.

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When the new guidelines start, everyone will still be judged against the same percentage

That could easily be mis-read.

Every person, of the same gender and age will be judged to the same NEW percentager as everyone else in that age and gender. Rememeber everyone's max BF% drops by 1%, and is based on age and gender.

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I agree w/ everyone here. I myself dropped 30 lbs in 2 months by just following a simple rule. Portion control

Keko, good for you.. It has long been said (not that I follow it) that the best exercise is pushing yourself away from the table...

Wray..

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Originally posted by Wray:

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I agree w/ everyone here. I myself dropped 30 lbs in 2 months by just following a simple rule. Portion control

Keko, good for you.. It has long been said (not that I follow it) that the best exercise is pushing yourself away from the table...

Wray..

As a veteran of this....I'd say it is also a positive, can-do attitude to weight loss. If I can do it...anyone can. For me it's not easy at first, but once you get your mind right and in the routine, it's doable.

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Originally posted by overweightDC:
April weigh-ins are upon us. Will all commands enforce current policy or overlook and wait for new OCT09 standards?

OCT09 standards are going to hit the senior commands people the hardest. I hope to see the senior people on the scales with us.

FAIR or FOUL?

I dont think I understand the question...

Is what FAIR or FOUL? The new standard? Applying the new standard to the April weigh-ins? Having no standard for APR weigh-ins? And are you implying that more senior personnel are overweight?

My BMI is 3 lbs more than my current MAW. But I have still taken upon myself to loose 15 lbs that i could do with out. (I was close). I do not agree with commands applying the OCT standard to the APR weigh-in which is happening in some places. If that is what you were asking, not sure.

Chilli
(does shivering burn calories? it is still snowing in Juneau, AK)

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Originally posted by ChilliDawg:

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Originally posted by overweightDC:
April weigh-ins are upon us. Will all commands enforce current policy or overlook and wait for new OCT09 standards?

OCT09 standards are going to hit the senior commands people the hardest. I hope to see the senior people on the scales with us.

FAIR or FOUL?

I dont think I understand the question...

Is what FAIR or FOUL? The new standard? Applying the new standard to the April weigh-ins? Having no standard for APR weigh-ins? And are you implying that more senior personnel are overweight?

My BMI is 3 lbs more than my current MAW. But I have still taken upon myself to loose 15 lbs that i could do with out. (I was close). I do not agree with commands applying the OCT standard to the APR weigh-in which is happening in some places. If that is what you were asking, not sure.

Chilli
(does shivering burn calories? it is still snowing in Juneau, AK)

No Commands (other than the pilot units maybe) should be applying the Oct standard to the April weigh-in. I don't have it in front of me, but I believe the message was for units to advise members of how their current status stacks up to the new October standard. Nothing has changed for the April weighin.

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No Commands (other than the pilot units maybe) should be applying the Oct standard to the April weigh-in. I don't have it in front of me, but I believe the message was for units to advise members of how their current status stacks up to the new October standard. Nothing has changed for the April weighin.

I just came from Petaluma and that is the word up there. October standards are being enforced for April weigh ins. Not sure if they heard wrong or not but they are scrambling to get in compliance, maybe someone from there could chime in?

ISC

Here is what is supposed to happen:

Commands are to ENFORCE existing standards for April.

They are ALSO to determine and INFORM members of what their standing would be IF OCT standards were in place. The CAN NOT enforce the Oct standards. See ALCOAST 168/09. As part of that process, everyone will have their height verified. (Note, a certain training command known for weigh-in issues have found incidents where height in DA was off by as much as four inches, which I am sure is an impitus for that.) This is a GOOD thing for members as it gives the people who do not know their actual height and new weight max for taping another heads up/warning.

Fair or Foul hummmm I don't see it as either. I see it as a drastic change. I can only talk about myself here but here's what's I see happening. I weighted in today and was 9 pounds under my weight limit. As of the new standard I am 8 pounds over. So everyone seems to think that taping is going to be the new thing and everyone will just get taped and it will be all smiles and sugar coated rainbows, not, I was 3 percent over my BF. Don't get me wrong, I feel like I am the only one takin this serious, maybe it's because I might be one of those short guys with big wrist as MC put it. My weight limit dropped 17 pounds. Now I don't care who you are, if you are told to keep your job, your new standard is 17 pounds less that what it was, that's a DRASTIC change. I see both sides of the fence, hell this morning the skinny guy came in drinking a monster and eating a donut for his weight in, I used to be that guy, but age caught up. I am not the guy who doesn't make an effert. I play racquet ball three times a week, and run at least twice and I try to eat as healthy as I can. Being under my new weight limit will be a challange, and when I told this to people they all look at me and say I would have never guess you'd be over weight by the new standards. I am in no way complaining, but I can see the CG losing a ton (no pun intended) of it's work force next year, I will not be one of them. I do have to say if the CG makes another change and drops my weight again by 17 pounds I will laugh while i eat my way out of the CG.

Look at the bright side....advancements are going to be wide open for awhile after they start enforcing the new standards.

Silly;
So you were given SIXTEEN + months notice to loose 8 lbs or 3% that isn't 'drastic', is it?
That is 13 months longer than we normally give.
I think I have come to figure you out pretty well, and I would be surprised if your figured all of this out today!

Petaluma is "sort of" enforcing the October standards. Effective today, All Tracen blue-suiters have been assigned a specific UHPC and are required to participate in supervised exercise every week. If a member is over the April limit, they go on official probation. If they are also over the October standard, they have to attend nutrition classes, seminars on wellness, and exercise 4 times a week (supervised). For members in compliance but within 10 pounds of the October standard, they have to exercise twice a week. more than 10 pounds below the limit, only once a week. Some of us are angry that we ALL have to exercise because SOME can't stay within standards. Others argue it's an effective way to be proactive in the face of a coming change.