Just curiosity, nothing more ...

Master Chief, funny you should mention this, I was just looking for the very same information last week. I have seen on a number of other sites and discussion boards that the one enlisted MK3, unfortunatley wasn't cleared medicaly to begin training and separated from the program after some "Pre-training" at the US Navys Great Lakes training facility. The remaining 3 officers are scheduled to begin "Hell Week" either this week or next. Again I picked this info up off a couple different sites so I cannot attest to it's accuracy. You can follow an interesting discussion(albiet mostly negative) on this site. Hopefully someone in the "know" will come along and update us! -RX
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Where is the Commandants press secretary, he would probably know.

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Originally posted by rxjeff:
Master Chief, funny you should mention this, I was just looking for the very same information last week. I have seen on a number of other sites and discussion boards that the one enlisted MK3, unfortunatley wasn't cleared medicaly to begin training and separated from the program after some "Pre-training" at the US Navys Great Lakes training facility. The remaining 3 officers are scheduled to begin "Hell Week" either this week or next. Again I picked this info up off a couple different sites so I cannot attest to it's accuracy. You can follow an interesting discussion(albiet mostly negative) on this site. Hopefully someone in the "know" will come along and update us! -RX
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Ouch.

The MK3 missed his pull-ups by 1 at the Pre-BUDS training at Great Lakes. He impressed the Navy enough to be invited back for the next class. The "O's" have started BUDS a few weeks back.

Source: MCPO-CG

I feel their pain ... well, maybe not, but I can imagine.

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Originally posted by rusty37:
The MK3 missed his pull-ups by 1 at the Pre-BUDS training at Great Lakes. He impressed the Navy enough to be invited back for the next class. The "O's" have started BUDS a few weeks back.

Source: MCPO-CG

I don't see how missing a pre qual impressed the Navy. Of course he gets another shot, what does the Navy have to lose?

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Originally posted by FNG45:

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Originally posted by rxjeff:
Master Chief, funny you should mention this, I was just looking for the very same information last week. I have seen on a number of other sites and discussion boards that the one enlisted MK3, unfortunatley wasn't cleared medicaly to begin training and separated from the program after some "Pre-training" at the US Navys Great Lakes training facility. The remaining 3 officers are scheduled to begin "Hell Week" either this week or next. Again I picked this info up off a couple different sites so I cannot attest to it's accuracy. You can follow an interesting discussion(albiet mostly negative) on this site. Hopefully someone in the "know" will come along and update us! -RX
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Ouch.

Ouch is right, but I do see some valid points being made on that board by those who have BTDT as they say. One recurring point I see is that these guys are making an 8 year commitment to the Navy and the Seal Team to which they are eventually assigned with no gaurantee that they will return to the USCG. I have seen quotes that the commandant "hopes they return to the USCG" This is not on the same level as an exchange tour say a BM might do with the RNLS or a helo pilot with the Canadian Coast Guard, this is a lifestlye commitment and after that commitment is fulfilled many feel they wont want to return to serve in the USCG but will want to reamin with the team they've trained with for 6+ years. While I am all for fostering inter-service training and operability, I have to say that I'm in agreement with some that perhaps the same end result could be achieved by hiring former special operations personel to work for the USCG in designing training programs that would more closley match the level of training and preparedness that the USCG is seeking to achieve. Either way I'm hoping these guys succeed and wish them well! -RX

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Originally posted by FNG45:

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Originally posted by rusty37:
The MK3 missed his pull-ups by 1 at the Pre-BUDS training at Great Lakes. He impressed the Navy enough to be invited back for the next class. The "O's" have started BUDS a few weeks back.

Source: MCPO-CG

I don't see how missing a pre qual impressed the Navy. Of course he gets another shot, what does the Navy have to lose?

I guess I left a little of the story out. The pull ups were at the very end of a tri-athalon. (Running, biking, swimming etc...) He was the first "trainee" to be asked to come back for another shot.

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You can follow an interesting discussion(albiet mostly negative) on this site. Hopefully someone in the "know" will come along and update us! -RX
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The socnet.com thread is pretty interesting reading, but I wonder if many of the naysayers about USCG lack of experience and history in SPECOPS have ever read or are aware of the research being done on the "Guardian Spies?" The story of the USCG and the OSS in WWII? ( w w w.guardianspies.com) Even less known,
many of the Coast Guardsmen (120) recruited for their swimming, diving, boat handling and
signaling skills were at the heart of OSS Maritime Unit (MU) and Operational Swimmer
Group (OSG) operations.

It seems somewhat ironic that those on the socnet.com web site that are negative on this concept aren't familiar with our joined pedigree. To quote from www.sealchallenge.navy.mil/seal/introduction "Today's Naval Special Warfare operators can trace their origins to the Scouts and Raiders, Naval Combat Demolition Units, Office of Strategic Services Operational Swimmers, Underwater Demolition Teams, and Motor Torpedo Boat Squadrons of World War II. While none of those early organizations have survived to present, their pioneering efforts in unconventional warfare are mirrored in the missions and professionalism of the present Naval Special Warfare warriors." Just an observation.

I wonder how Sn Skip Ferris USCG did at buds in the spring of 78?

I think the CG SEAL program is a friggin joke! I keep reading about how the CG wants to develop a special warfare unit. But if one thinks about it, the CG personnel who make it through BUDS and do their 5 to 7 year SEAL tour will probably not want to come back to the CG.
Also, if the "CG SEALS" decide to come back to the CG, that means the CG will not get their little special warfare unit for at least 5 to 7 years from now or possibly more. If the CG SEALS come back, how will they be able to stay proficient at their skills? Is the CG going to let the CG SEALS go back either TAD or on active duty and train with the Navy SEALS to maintain their proficieny in the many aspects of being a SEAL such as demolition, HALO jumps, etc?

Does anyone at CGHQ or the CGDOG realize that every Commandant has the ability to shape and discontinue the many programs and focus of the CG. Does anyone on here remember when Adm. Yost tried to beef up the CG's military mission by arming 378's with Harpoon missiles? After Yost left the next COMDT scrapped the program and decided the CG should renew its focus on Marine Safety and SAR.

When does Adm Allen retire? I wonder what the next COMDT will think about the SEAL program? If someone is willing to make a bet with me, I guarantee that the program will be discontinued in the next couple of years.

I think this whole program is a way some officers at the CGDOG and CGHQ are trying to spice up their little OER.

Ah, yes... Haven't seen this one in a while. But the good old standby of "But we've always done it this way." And. "But we've never done it that way." I remember the same conversations about old working uniforms, SIGS, MSST's, 110's going to the NAG.... And I'm sure I can think of a LOT more but it's too early on a Sunday morning!

cg2er410:

Excellent post & thank you for the very interesting link. The old UDT and early Seals would not have the same views as many on SOCnet - I know - I have spoken to many old "shipriders" from my dad's SEALION SS-315 days.

I think what people need to realize is that these candidates are not "Navy wannabes". They are there to learn special tactics that will likely apply to the CG's special mission areas - especially anti, and counter terrorism.

Fighting terrorism is about as unconventional as you will find. These clowns are adapting and morphing all the time. We would be weakened if we did not do the same.

Just finished reading the whole thread on the other board, sorry to see the SOCOM thread was closed, there was some REAL GOOD point/counterpoint discussions going for a while with respect being shown by all parties and a good exchange of ideas and experience then it seemed to get a bit immature and then the bashing started which is why i suspect it was closed. Can anyone in the know provide any updates on how the USCG canidates are progressing? -RXJEFF

A status report, as posted on An Unoffical CGBlog from Saturday, 4/18/2009.

"Saturday, April 18, 2009
USCG Guardians make it through Navy SEALs "HELL WEEK"
Posted by Ryan Erickson |
USCG Guardians make it through Navy SEALs "HELL WEEK"
2009-04-18T21:19:00-04:00
Ryan Erickson
BUD/S|by Ryan Erickson|Navy SEALs|
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The Coast Guards entrance into the Navy SEAL program continues! I got an update today that out "Boys in Blue" are still in the running to earn the coveted SEAL Trident. You'll recall we last reported that four of Guardians were moving on to the Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL, or BUD/S, training which was to last four weeks. Well it's time for an update, and I'm proud to say we still have three in the running. No names are given but the latest from USSOCOM NSWCEN reports

Four Coast Guard officers started the first phase of the Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL, or BUD/S, training four weeks ago. One officer suffered an injury and has been rolled back to join a future class once he has recovered. One officer dropped upon request.

Though we've lost one to Hell Week I'm sure I'm not the first, nor the last, to extend my gratitude and a "good job" to all four of our Guardians who made it as far as they did. And according to Navy CDR Brian Sebenaler, Commanding Officer of the Naval Special Warfare Basic Training Command,

“The Coast Guard Officers in class 276 have performed very well... Naval Special Warfare is pleased to have this opportunity to incorporate our fellow Maritime forces into the training pipeline. BUD/S training is some of the most physically and mentally demanding military training in the U.S., and it appears the USCG volunteers are doing very well. It will definitely be a life changing and momentous occasion when they graduate.”

I think what he meant to say it they're doing great, but that may just be my biased opinion in the fact that they're Coast Guard...

And RADM Atkin, Commanding Officer of the Deployable Operations Group, is also proud of his/our folks

“We’re extremely proud of all our guardians that volunteered to undertake this extremely difficult training,”

And as a reminder the Coast Guard officers were the first to go through Navy SEAL training under the current agreement signed in July 2008 by the Coast Guard, Navy and Special Operations Command. This historic agreement allows Coast Guardsman the opportunity to train and integrate with an operational SEAL team for approximately seven years, yes (7), before returning to the Coast Guard.

The rhyme and reason for this agreement is to build cooperation in the joint maritime training environment and operationalize the National Maritime Strategy. I wonder if we get to teach them how to do Port State Control boardings?

We'll continue to keep you apprised of their status as soon as we get more info! Make us proud!

h/t
LT James McLay, DOG Public Affairs and LTJG Frederick Martin, USSOCOM NSWCEN "

Jack

Thanks for the update Senior Chief! -RXJEFF

Back in '90 or '91, I was stationed with a LTjg down at GRU St Pete, who was a SEAL. I beleive his last name was East. He was a Navy YN. Nice guy. I wonder what ever happened to him?

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Originally posted by duckcop:
Back in '90 or '91, I was stationed with a LTjg down at GRU St Pete, who was a SEAL. I beleive his last name was East. He was a Navy YN. Nice guy. I wonder what ever happened to him?

LCDR East retired out of MLCPAC about 6+ yrs ago.

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Originally posted by 1110:

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Originally posted by duckcop:
Back in '90 or '91, I was stationed with a LTjg down at GRU St Pete, who was a SEAL. I beleive his last name was East. He was a Navy YN. Nice guy. I wonder what ever happened to him?

LCDR East retired out of MLCPAC about 6+ yrs ago.

Thanks for that update. I wonder if he would have stayed in and assisted in this SEAL adventure, if he would have seen this coming?