Has anyone heard the rumors that the Coast Guard will be reinstituting some form of RIF?

Friend, I've heard so many rumors since I've been in the Coast Guard! I just know this... If you've heard the rumor, then that is the most likely proof that it ISN'T true!

Of course, eventually, there will be one. It's always ebb and flood... I learned a LONG TIME AGO to ignore rumors.

Gotta love mess deck intelligence....

Not sure how intelligent it is... More like bored people with too much free time on their hands.

If the Coast Guard does another RIF I hope they look back to the early 90's when the last one is done and learn from the mistakes made. But I do know that the Coast Guard does not make it ahabit of looking back to learn.

Mike

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If the Coast Guard does another RIF I hope they look back to the early 90's when the last one is done and learn from the mistakes made. But I do know that the Coast Guard does not make it ahabit of looking back to learn.

I don't know if the early 90's RIF learned from the early 80's RIF.

Should they have one, it will have one similiar component with the 82 and the early 90's RIF ... poor performers (EPEF) will be shown the door first.

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Originally posted by JoeJester:

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If the Coast Guard does another RIF I hope they look back to the early 90's when the last one is done and learn from the mistakes made. But I do know that the Coast Guard does not make it ahabit of looking back to learn.

I don't know if the early 90's RIF learned from the early 80's RIF.

Should they have one, it will have one similiar component with the 82 and the early 90's RIF ... poor performers (EPEF) will be shown the door first.

Agreed....if the President wants any mass reductions, the low performers will be the first to get whacked. Second will be turning the HYT switch back on. The 1993-something implementation to reduce the number of bodies, although effective, had disasterous short and long term repercussions. HYT is a good tool but the failure of vision back then was implementing it across the board at the same time. It killed the mid-level experience pool. It should have started at the E7 - E9 level to open up the pipeline. If it is started up again, hopefully it will be done this way.

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Originally posted by TVCJohn:

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Originally posted by JoeJester:

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If the Coast Guard does another RIF I hope they look back to the early 90's when the last one is done and learn from the mistakes made. But I do know that the Coast Guard does not make it ahabit of looking back to learn.

I don't know if the early 90's RIF learned from the early 80's RIF.

Should they have one, it will have one similiar component with the 82 and the early 90's RIF ... poor performers (EPEF) will be shown the door first.

Agreed....if the President wants any mass reductions, the low performers will be the first to get whacked. Second will be turning the HYT switch back on. The 1993-something implementation to reduce the number of bodies, although effective, had disasterous short and long term repercussions. HYT is a good tool but the failure of vision back then was implementing it across the board at the same time. It killed the mid-level experience pool. It should have started at the E7 - E9 level to open up the pipeline. If it is started up again, hopefully it will be done this way.

I agree. I knew a few SN who had one three in their EPEFs, and they were gone. I really didnt agree with that, if 4 was average, a three wasnt that far behind your average Coastie.

T

I think that you are referring to the Centralized First Term Re-Enlistment Review (CTFRR) when you talk about E-2's and E-3's who were shown the door instead of being allowed to re-enlist.

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I think that you are referring to the Centralized First Term Re-Enlistment Review (CTFRR) when you talk about E-2's and E-3's who were shown the door instead of being allowed to re-enlist.

If your talking to me, nope, it was the RIF in 93.

T

I'd figure the new weight standards would manage to boot out quite a few individual, especially if you stop giving them second AND THIRD chances - if it's being run properly.

HYT '97. I should have the tattoo, because I sure have the DD-214. Study and get all you can get becuase you never know what is around the next corner. Sometimes you just have no control over your career, so just be semper paratus and have a backup plan... I'll refrain from saying anything negative, becuase I still appreciate my CG. IBO

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Originally posted by militia1:

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Originally posted by C_REZ:
I think that you are referring to the Centralized First Term Re-Enlistment Review (CTFRR) when you talk about E-2's and E-3's who were shown the door instead of being allowed to re-enlist.

If your talking to me, nope, it was the RIF in 93.

T

Correctomundo. CFTRR and the RIF were two different beasts. Back then, to thin the herd so to speak, there was the back-door RIF and implementation of HYT. For that RIF, if a member had less than (I believe it was) a 3.5 avg in any dimension, they were booted. The one dimension area I seen that caught folks was the one with only two factors. A 3 in each and you're toast. With only 2 factors, it didn't take much to lower the avg of the dimension area whereas the other dimension areas had enough factors to dilute a couple of 3's should someone get two in one dimension area.

I think for the O's, the promotion levels where shortened...ie more passovers.

we had a guy get hit by rif in the 90's..just graduated from a-school and started at his first rated unit. they went back to when he was a non-rate and had one 3 on his marks. They let him go. the unit tried to keep him, but apparently no amount of appeals worked. Seems a shame to waste all that money sending the guy to school then booting him before he ever got the chance to be a Petty Officer.

If I remember right that RIF pretty much decimated force levels at the mid-level ranks for some time.

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HYT is a good tool but the failure of vision back then was implementing it across the board at the same time. It killed the mid-level experience pool. It should have started at the E7 - E9 level to open up the pipeline. If it is started up again, hopefully it will be done this way.

I agree!!

HYT was used for E7- E9 just as it was for lower ranks. With the world the way it is, believe there are going to be less and less people willing to retire and move on. I do agree with limited years of service to 30 years. Things will change like the always do, ranks will open back up and advancements will be good for all.

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Originally posted by JekelKat13:
I'd figure the new weight standards would manage to boot out quite a few individual, especially if you stop giving them second AND THIRD chances - if it's being run properly.

Yes, let's go above and beyond the other branches and start booting people out for being over their MAW the very 1st time. Give and show no mercy, ever! Good grief.

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Originally posted by d_b_j:

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Originally posted by JekelKat13:
I'd figure the new weight standards would manage to boot out quite a few individual, especially if you stop giving them second AND THIRD chances - if it's being run properly.

Yes, let's go above and beyond the other branches and start booting people out for being over their MAW the very 1st time. Give and show no mercy, ever! Good grief.

The weigh-ins come around twice a year, every year, and EVERYONE knows when it is, and how much they need to weigh by then. What's the excuse if you're over your MAW?

Mind you, I'm not talking about those that are over their MAW but are OBVIOUSLY not 'out-of-shape' (e.g., weight builders)

And if you'll note - I emphasized the THIRD part of it. " " Because apparently one little green eye rolling smiley face is not enough.

HYT and the Weight program will ONLY work if the guidelines associated with them are enforced. To date, they have NEVER been uniformly enforced.

Anyone got an idea why a "gold badge" should be authorized to go over the 30 year mark? Dooesn't seem fair to this old retired guy.

Wray...

The original poster stated they had heard a rumor. On the July 1st cgblog there was "Coast Guard’s High-Year Tenure Progam Redux?" by Ryan Erickson. For those unfamiliar with it, COMDTINST 1040.10 lays it all out for you.
BTW Wray - I can only guess why ADM Kime and successors have allowed the over 30 exception for gold badge, etc.
With high retention rates and a lousy economy, can some sort of artificial thinning process be too far away? The new MAW/BMI/BF standards are only a week away from implementation. Let's see how many folks get caught up in that net. My guess is not too many.