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I normally don't post messages but I feel this one is worthy.....
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Now that is scary! On a side note...I have a feeling, like the other services, a majority of these are probably on sportbikes...and they're likely first time owners. Any chance the CG might follow suite with the navy and mandate a more in-depth MSF course? |
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I intend to live forever. So far, so good. |
In case you haven't heard, the owner of the worlds largest Harley dealership was recently killed (7/30/09) while riding bike... read on...
"http://www.brucerossmeyer.com/t-brucerossmeyer.aspx" "http://www.wesh.com/news/20229340/detail.html" "http://www.miamiherald.com/news/obituaries/story/1165119.html" Funeral services are set for 11 a.m. today Ride Safe...... Wray... |
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"Does anyone know where the love of God goes when the waves turn the minutes to hours?" - Gordon Lightfoot![]() |
I remember a while back, a woman on the SW coast of Florida who was leading the way for removing the helmet law in FL was killed on her bike shortly after the law was changed.
I'm thinking the style of bike can have an effect on how you ride....then again, maybe it's just that most younger people prefer the rockets over the cruisers. Old and slow, Don |
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The problem with that line of thinking is numbers support that sport bike riders normally don't have ANY alcohol in their system and usually wear way more than the minimum ppe (full leather track suit), it's excessive speed with sport bikes that kills. Numebrs also support that a large number of cruiser fatalities are alcohol related. Neither of these are hard an fast rules, but numbers do support these claims. Now, I would say there are way more sport bike fatalities then cruiser, they're just not normally alcohol related... Let's be safe out there! |
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That sucks... As a former motorcyclist and a current bicyclist, I can empathize about the idiot drivers not paying attention... Ride Safe (and drive safe!) |
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I intend to live forever. So far, so good. |
It does suck.. but I am not so sure I would blame the driver of the vehicle... Bruce did not have a helmet on.. (I too am guilty of that) The vehicle he colided with had his turn signal on (left turn).. he had slowed down (he was towing a camper).. Bruce ran into the side of the vehicle & ejected from his bike. From what I have read, it is hard to blame the guy driving the vehicle. Bottom line.. As ALWAYS, you need to be a defensive driver/rider. Wray... |
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Chris,
I would like to see those numbers you are talking about. Is there a way you can provide a link or post them. |
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I rode a Harley back in the day. I had a helemt on. My boy friend had a helmet on. My father in law bought the motor cycle from a man whose son died in the war, I drove it, with a helmet, my husband rode it with a helmet. My youngest son in law didn't put a helmet on. I called HANK YOU DON'T HAVE A HELMET ON he said "I'm going down the street ES" A car hit him broadside backing his car out of the driveway. Hank my youngest son in law died WITH OUT A HELMET My husband and I gave two motor cycle's away. My youngest son wore a helmet he drove to work, the car turned left and didn't see the motorcyle my son got hit he fell on his back the helmet saved him. He bought a car in the morning
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Ah, I see... I only read the second link, that didn't give much info... I'll never understand those that decide not to ride with a helmet or even one of those skid lids.... |
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Aaron, I'll try and find those for you, maybe Phil Rolfe will chime in here... I know those were backed up at the Motorcycle Safety Summit we did last year... But, I'll try and find you something... Again, I'm not sayng every crusier rider drinks and every sport bike rider rides too fast... just going with the numbers. Chris |
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I know for fact that from 2006 thru 2008 a majority of our mishaps involved etoh and sport bikes.
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I don't know why but something strikes me as "off" about this message. It says that the trends since 2004 have been going down and relating the success of the safety courses and awareness training, yet they want to go even further in finding out factors? What is exactly the goal here? There is no 100% safety rate in anything. I think the insurance company information would be sufficient since they foot the bill for the vehicle.
Why don't they just flat out say they do not want people riding? Why pull our chain? This message doesn't address that sport bikes are cheaper, more abundant and more people are riding to avoid gas prices. I think the safety courses now are excellent and since they are mandatory, I think the fate lies in our own hands and is individual responsibility now, not the "supervisors" or whatever vague implication that means. Many insurance companies include medical coverage so why not make sure riders have that? I don't know, the safety trend I think is great but somehow this looks like trying to find others to blame other than the individual riding. If the idiot zips in and out of traffic and causes his own accident, oh well it is going to happen and it's rediculous to think that after the training courses we have now, "something" by our measure could have been done to prevent his idiotic decisions. We can't all be nannys. |
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There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch |
Comparing fatalities is not a terribly accurate way to do this. Naturally there will be a higher percntage of fatalities involving motorcycle accidents. The rider isn't wrapped in a steel cage.
A more accurate measurement would be the number of accidents involving each type vehicle, adjusted to account for the number of riders vs drivers. In other words, what percentage of riders get in accidents vs percentage of drivers. A motorcycle wreck ended my career. I know many wrecks are caused by aggressive riding, but some are caused by the idiot drivers like the guy that hit me. Driving right through a red light at 45 MPH. Factor that in too. How many motorcycle accidents were the fault of the rider.... |
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that very well may be for the CG, I was talking more globally... Although, of the m/c mishaps I've dealt with done here in SoCal, most have been sportbikes and either excessive speed or inexperiance with no relation to etoh... also, I wonder how many of the mishaps/fatalities involve etoh and gets "forgotten".... Also, don't forget that DUIs don't get reported as mishaps (not that they should) and therefore not part of the numbers... It would be interesting, as a CDAR, to know how many DUIs were on m/c... just becuase you didn't have a mishap doesn't mean you wouldn't have... Now, more importantly... where are the cuts? |
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Of the CG mishaps we looked at last year, most were rider fault... No doubt, there are idiot car drivers as well! |
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There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch |
I guarantee I have personally met at least one! |
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Definitely agree here, especially with these new light weight energy efficient cars. I think I'd be safer on a bike for manueverability. These studies are out all the time, why does the CG have to waste money for more studies? Safety course and riders groups have been proven effective. They should have a specific goal to spend money like this or it just seems like pointless glorifying of a resume. |
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As a rider with 17 years of a motorcycle endorsement I have some issues with this message. First and foremost is their helmet requirement. It says "Every military member operating or riding as a passenger on a motorcycel is ordered to wear a certified protective helmet." Certified by who? There are hockey helmets, baseball helmets, football helmets that are all certified. As for a DOT certification, has anyone actually looked at what the DOT does to certify a helmet? The answer is, nothing. They put out a standard that a helmet is supposed to attain and leave it to the manufacturers of the helmets to decide whether or not they meet that standard. There are hundreds of stories of how a helmet saved someone's life, and hundreds of others explaining how a helmet would have killed the individual, or that the helmet caused the person to be killed (similar to Dale Earnhardt's crash in Daytona). It is the same argument as seat belts.
In the case of death, there is no finding of misconduct according to everything I have found in Navy safety manuals. If there is something different for the CG, I ask that someone email me the info. Let's dispel the rumor that SGLI won't pay if you crash and die if that is not actually the case. Threatening people with finacial ruin is not an effective training aid. We also cannot be responsible for our people 24 hours a day as the message implies we be. I can tell people to ride the speed limit until I am blue in the face. They all know what the speed limit is. I can't follow them around and correct them if they choose to ride a wheelie at 80 down the highway. Are we going to require a risk assesment be phoned in everytime they leave the house, or get into a motor vehicle? We keep putting out messages and requirements because it is the easy thing to do. Motorcyles are the minority so we continue to harp on them figuring that if it is a big enough hassle, people will stop riding. Many states (I looked this up about a year ago but don't recall the exact number) do NOT require driver's ed to get a driver's license. We just say you have a valid license, go forth and drive your car. But if you ride a motorcycle, you need to take all these safety courses. Why do we not require defensive driving, or proof of driver's ed for autos? Oh because that would affect the majority. |
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"Does anyone know where the love of God goes when the waves turn the minutes to hours?" - Gordon Lightfoot![]() |
Last night, I was riding my Yamaha Raider down I-93 in NH. I had just gone through the toll booth and was heading south towards Manchester.
Four rice rockets approached. I was cruising at about 65-70 but they blew by me like I was parked. I'm guessing they had to have been going 100-115 mph or so. So the next 15 mins, I'm riding hoping to heck that I didn't come up on one or two of them wrapped around a guard rail. Thankfully, I guess they either slowed down or somehow made it to wherever they were going. Yup...been there, done that....back when I was young and stupid. Take it away Rod Stewart, "I wish that I knew what I know now, when I was younger." I guess I am lucky to be here having wised up (about motorcycles at least) a long time ago. Don |
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