John,
Yep that sounds about right... (I know the E-9 is right because I have my certificate hanging in my office) And on my MSM citation I was listed as BMCS on 25 Mar 82.... The first time I took the Chief exam it was given every 6 months... Then they switched it to an annual exam. That's the one I made it from.

I know Wayne Stacey was also a "slick arm" E-6... of course he went CWO to LT. He also relieved me aboard Capstan. You may know him.. he is still working at HQ as a civilian now.

I suspect some made it as quick or quicker than I did..not really sure.. I do know, not that it means anything, I was # 1 on the true "seniority" list for a few years before I retired.

Wray..

The more I think about it the less I think there will be a CG RIF. If they were contemplating such a thing why would they be popping up with new recruiting ads and extending the breadth of their recruiring efforts?

The last couple of years, the press releases seemed to talk about an increase in the number of personnel being hired in the CG.

Has anything ever been released as to how much of those increases went to the officer management side to increase their overall pyramid and how many went to the enlisted labor side ??

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Small world, Wray. I chatted with Wayne at an Auxiliary-sponsored public affairs event in Rehoboth Beach this summer. He was with his Sea Scout Ship display materials, and seems to know everything there is to know about boating safety.

Bruce, Wayne and I have been good friends for many years.. his Mother lives just up the road from me.. He came down here to FL when my son was working on his "Eagle Scout" project. He is truly a "good friend" one I hold the highest respect for.

Wayne will ALWAYS be a positive asset where ever he is working.. I just hope he doesn't overdo this work stuff.. It's getting time to retire and enjoy life.

Wray...

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Originally posted by Wray:

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But to answer your question, lets clarify the POLICY. A person who applies for and is excepted as a GB when UNDER 30 may be allowed to FINSH THAT TOUR.

Phil, why should a gold badge be allowed to finish that tour, and an OIC of a cutter, or anyone else for that matter not be allowed to complete their tour ??

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.. right? In not, why?

Wray...

OK - I'd bet you won't agree with or like my answer, but here it is:

Becuase the GB CMC job is a much higher level job. It is where we need our best & most experienced folks. If I were King for a day, I would probably require successful screening for CMC (full time silver or gold) to PCS past 25. Not an actual assignment, mind you, but succesful screening.

Since you mentioned what I would consider two different levels - OinC and 'anyone else', and we are talking specifically about MCPOs here, I will say clearly that an OinC job is surely above the 'everyone' else, but it is also the BARE MINIMUM standards expected of someone in the Command rating.

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Originally posted by kodiak5bears:

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Simply put, there is no such thing as a mythical 'awesome performer' at the E-5 level with two decades experience who "can't" make E-6.

I didn't say the person "can't" but if they like their job as an E-5 why "can't" the person stay in that pay grade? Not really different than say a person making Master Chief say in 15yrs and staying on for another 15yrs. Isn't that MC "in the way for others to advance"????

GUNS

Guns;
OK - I'll answer in two parts. The one about the MCPO who makes it at 15 I'll hit first. Since that does in fact describe me (for full disclosure) it is simple. Anytime I am not striving for more responsibility than I had 'last tour' than I have no issue getting my retirement check and I think it should be that way. I would have no issue whatsoever if the CG told me I had to go in front of some type of continuation board today, at 20 and change, to be able to keep going as a MCPO!

Now, back to the E-5. Again, I would reluctantly consider allowing them to REACH their retirement point if they truely were a 7.0+ sailor in all other respects. That said, I see it as a very reasonable trade off to say to them "step up to the plate if you want a retirement check." I believe that a person owes the CG a lot more than what an E-5 delivers to get that retirement check increased anywhere beyond the bare minimum. Actualy, as I alluded to, I am not even sure if after 15 years or more of service, base pay, housing, yada yada yada, they don't already owe us more.

Let me also be clear, it would be completely improper to 'switch' that on today and boot that guy out. I think two SWE cycles for that E-5 to make E-6 is enough.

But alas, I ain't king.

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I think two SWE cycles for that E-5 to make E-6 is enough.

Seems that might be a bit aggressive for those in the "slow" ratings.

I have looked at the numbers, and no, for the dino we are talking about who is the exceptional performer, it is not. They would be maxed on TIS, TIG and likely also on awards and evals. Anything close to the 'average' score would mean an advancement. Anything significantly below the average would be proof (in my little mind at least) that they are not deserving.

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Originally posted by Mightyz90_93:
I have looked at the numbers, and no, for the dino we are talking about who is the exceptional performer, it is not. They would be maxed on TIS, TIG and likely also on awards and evals. Anything close to the 'average' score would mean an advancement. Anything significantly below the average would be proof (in my little mind at least) that they are not deserving.

I still think that there are ratings where they just do not promote. An average test score in the AST rating is not going to get you advanced from E-5 to E-6. I do not care how many points you have....because everyone has them. It may from E-4 to E-5....maybe.

I think when you start making hard and fast rules....you run into problems. Because not all ratings fit the molds. And the slower moving ratings...generally have very seasoned, well trained...supremely aged members who have had to kick, scratch and scream for every crumb they got...now why on earth would you punish them, and neglect the Coast Guard from the benefit of having folks that have worked so hard, and that the Coast Guard has invested so much time and money into only to kick them out to make the numbers fit.

Master Chief...what's the # of O-6's compared tothe # E-9's in the Coast Guard?

I think the Coast Guard has it right....Kick the fat ones out first.

Dog;
Remember that this is a top down program, so 'slots' would open up at the top first. Also, for the most part here, we are talking about when someone gets to keep 50% or more of their base pay for sitting on their couch at home. Again, the number of folks we are talking about, in any rating is very low.

Not sure if there was any other question in there, but there are more Capt's than MCPOs. ~396 Capts and ~313 MCPOs.

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The more important question right now is why should we let an E-5 go TO 30 (or even 20 for that matter).

Why not? If the E-5 is good at his/her job, why force someone to advance if they don't want to? Master Chief, you been in long enough to know this happened "way back when". Seemed to work in my opinion. What is wrong with being good at your job?

GUNS

What if everyone was good at their job and wanted to remain a PO2? It would get kind of crowded at the E/5 pay grade. You can be good at your job in any pay grade. I knew people who didn't want to advance because they would have to transfer. I told them to remember that the assignment is temporary, but their pension is not and it is best to advance and make as many dollars as possible. What would a possible future employer think when you retired at 20 as a PO2?

RET

Very True, True!

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What if everyone was good at their job and wanted to remain a PO2?

I believe those that would actually choose to remain at E-5 would be a very small percentage. The one case I quoted was the only one I met in 10 years.

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What would a possible future employer think when you retired at 20 as a PO2?

Unless that employer is somehow tied to the military infrastructure (defense contractor, other gov't agency, etc.)they probably wouldn't have a clue what the pay grade means. I have worked at many companies, I put down I am retired military. No one asked me what my paygrade was.

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OK - I'd bet you won't agree with or like my answer, but here it is:

Becuase the GB CMC job is a much higher level job.

Phil, I find it had to believe you actually put that in print.. You BELIEVE a "gold badge' job is at a higher level than an OIC.

What have you been drinking?

Wray...

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Let me also be clear, it would be completely improper to 'switch' that on today and boot that guy out. I think two SWE cycles for that E-5 to make E-6 is enough.

Sorry Phil,

When HYT first came about, I know of an SK2 who transferred to an aviation rating and was awarded PO3 at the completion of "A" school had one, count it, one SWE to advance. The switch was turned on.

He buckled down and advanced from that one SWE.

FYI - all

I'll say it again, as long as you distance yourself from your competition ... and I don't mean an slightly above average test, you have the best opportunity to advance.

Writing a mediocre or even an average test, won't get you advanced in just about any rating, except those ratings hurting for people. This does not mean that non-qualified people are being advanced. Everyone and I mean everyone, who advances has that all important Command Endorsement. Just because my opinion or your opinion concerning someone's ability to advance, our name isn't on the dotted line. When your signature is on the dotted line, then your opinion counts.

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Originally posted by Mightyz90_93:
Dog;
Remember that this is a top down program, so 'slots' would open up at the top first. Also, for the most part here, we are talking about when someone gets to keep 50% or more of their base pay for sitting on their couch at home. Again, the number of folks we are talking about, in any rating is very low.

Not sure if there was any other question in there, but there are more Capt's than MCPOs. ~396 Capts and ~313 MCPOs.

I asked because I was talking to someone the other day, and they mentioned the E-9 to O-6 Ration, I cannot remember the exact number the qouted...but I did not remember to be as close as you called it. Actually I think they mentioned a few more cap's over MCPO's. Before I threw that argument in thier I wanted it to be true.

Back to RIF...I did hear that the billets for ME, that being filled by laterals are not being back filled. So, basically again the Coast Guard is not reducing it's force. But it's increasing it's work load...you say potatoe, I say Potato. I heard for once, the AST rating one of the few that did have increase in force, due to the C-144, some RAWI missions...and support for more LE roles for Aircraft.

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The weigh-ins come around twice a year, every year, and EVERYONE knows when it is, and how much they need to weigh by then. What's the excuse if you're over your MAW?

I duno... what about them oldies that are up there on the totem pole however due to their age its much tougher for them to lose weight, especially if there right on the line...

Mind you im 23 and really skinny, but I find my self feeling a little compassionate for my fellow senior citizen coasties

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Originally posted by 17831631:

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The weigh-ins come around twice a year, every year, and EVERYONE knows when it is, and how much they need to weigh by then. What's the excuse if you're over your MAW?

I duno... what about them oldies that are up there on the totem pole however due to their age its much tougher for them to lose weight, especially if there right on the line...

Mind you im 23 and really skinny, but I find my self feeling a little compassionate for my fellow senior citizen coasties

I suspect there will be alot of people over their new MAW. Being over this new MAW is a stepping stone to the BF%. At the end of the day, the question is how many will be over their new BF%. That is what counts at the moment under this particular program.

I suppose I'll feel sorry for the folks that are under-weight and unfit pretty soon. The program doesn't look out for them.