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So, yes, this absoloutely 100% shold have been disposed of at mast. At least one of the articles had all of the elements met.

Now, depending on other factors, including those in mitigation or extenuation, it may have been appropriate for the CO to decide not to impose punishment. If he decides that, it is like the mast never happened.

Master Chief -

Here's where I'm philosophically a bit different from just about everyone else. While the elements were met, and the case could have gone to mast for adjudication, I wouldn't have gone that far. Now, if the XO/XPO came to me and said, "Hey, these two need a little shakeup and a trip to the Green Tablecloth may just achieve that end," we'd have a ball game. However, if it were not a maintenance of good order and discipline issue, I think a little "close and sustained counseling" would have had the same, if not better, results.

I always tried to balance the benefit of mast against the costs. Of course, there's always EMI, and even staying within the rules, you can get very, very creative with it.

Mast, for me, was always a matter of last resort.

CG

Like I said, I may not have supported punishment, but there was plenty of reason to have the mast. I have been on a 110 and one of the mast of my own was while on a 110. Missing movement is never trivial. On a 110 or an 87, it is even less trivial than on a bigger boat. Two people missing movement on a 110 can have a HUGE affect on the ability to meet mission. A mast takes about 30 minutes to prepare for and less to execute. (not including the PIO time) As redsox brought up - probably not a bad way to discuss the supervisory issue either. Unless there was other factors, I would have recomended no punishment.

The 'point' to the MAST would be to ensure the two members, and the entire crew knew that missing movement was one of the most aggregius 'non criminal' acts a sailor can make.

Now, your suggestion of a pg 7 can be much more damaging to the member. A no-punishment mast is only recorded in the unit punishment log. There does not need to be even a trace of it in the members record. That pg 7 is with the member for the rest of their career.

Cdr G;
You make (as almost always, damn it) a valid point. Without having much more in depth knowledge of a lot more details, we can not know which was the correct path.

Mil;
What was the outcome of the mast?

WHAT A MINUTE Militia-

I ain't trying to call you or anybody else in your family a thief, a drug dealer, or anything else.

This is what YOU said-

"I took some perscription muscle relaxer"

and

"what I took was one of those trial packs"

and that it was a family member that worked at a Doctors office that gave 'em to ya.

You said those things, not me. I just responded to what you wrote. And ain't none of it "holier than thou"-JRC

As for the comparison of this case and accidentally grabbing the wrong medication in the middle of the night... That's why you have an investigation. I was personally involved in two positive tests that were later deemed to be a non-drug event. In other words, the investigation looked at it, and determined that the person had not intentional violated COMDT's policy on drug use.

bit of a stretch to be comparing the two... Seems to me, but I'm not the smartest guy in the room so what do I know!!

Having enough bolivian marching powder to go all night, priceless!

Pach

I know you werent, I was being a little dramatic there. I will tell you that I have worked with a guy who had a $300 a week vicoden problem. He told me he bought the stuff overseas and online. I have no clue how that works, or why thats not illegal.

Master Chief

I departed PCS prior to the mast so I am not aware of the results. I am hoping that someone strolls in who knows the results of the case.

Speaking of Bolivian Marching Powder, you would think I took some if you look at the tile and grout job I am doing in the kitchen in between posts. I suck so bad at home improvements, I am really not sure why I keep trying. I tell Jennifer its a guys thing.

T

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Speaking of Bolivian Marching Powder, you would think I took some if you look at the tile and grout job I am doing in the kitchen in between posts. I suck so bad at home improvements, I am really not sure why I keep trying. I tell Jennifer its a guys thing.

Tony,

Should I reply to this? No, I will bite my tongue, LMAO!

I was an E2 on the Edisto in Boston way back in 70. My E2 friend and I decided to go to his house in Canton OH on a weekend pass. We put in the out of bounds pass and received approval. Now, me being straight off the farm and as naive as you could get, I thought it was no problem to hitchhike from Boston to Canton in the dead of winter. It was brutal. My friend came down sick and got to stay in Canton under doctor care. I had to take a bus back and arrive a half day late. I was AWOL. I was booked and scheduled for mast. On top of that, Boats kept me 4 hours late every night doing extra duty. Who was I to protest.
I've already made a short story long but there is a point here. The Skipper called me to his cabin out of the blue. I was shaking. He told me that my orders had came in for ETA school and here I was scheduled for mast. What was he to do. I never looked at him. I remained at attention and silent. Finally he spoke again. He told me I had one hour to be off his ship and I could accept the school orders. Further, he told me if I did not make good on this break he was giving me, he would make my life a living hell. I went to ETA school, then on to TTc track. I took another icebreaker by choice upon graduation. I remembered and had a debt to pay. Had the Skipper taken me to mast and busted me just because he had full right, responsiblity and authority, I doubt I would have successfully made my 4 year hitch. Getting the hammer is not always the best route to take. It is always an option, just not always the best option. Skipper seemed to take the high road and in doing so, placed me there as well. I used that as a model later in my career when I had young sailors in front of my desk. Each situation is so totally different. I could not and am still not the type to hammer somebody just because the rules and regs say I can. I don't think I created soft Coasties (Guardians?) by my handling of incidents. I think I gave them something to take with them when they were in a leadership position.
Not sure I stayed on topic here but those are the memories this thread stirred.
Tom

Hey Militia,

THIS is how they buy all these "legal" prescription narcotic drugs online:

http://www.reliable-online-drugs.com/buy-online/buy-Oxy...xycodone-online.html

The 2nd para in BOLDwill fill ya in.

People buying powerful narcotic painkiller prescriptions online with apparently nothing more than a phone call and more money befuddles me as well-JRC

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In my opinion, the members made every attempt to correct a bad situation. There was absolutly no point in a mast.

If I were the OIC I wouldn't have wasted my time with this one... As someone said, a page 7 could have been written and kept in the OIC's drawer until his departure, then shredded...

A mast for weather conditions was excessive, (not to mention stupid) in my opinion.


So, someone please put this thread back on track...

By the way, I bet there aren't many here who haven't taken or given someone a prescription pill (narcotic or non narcotic) at one time or another... but.. I don't want to get into that one.

Wray..

Just curious because I don't recall seeing it mentioned anywhere... but what about the obstruction of justice charge?

Just making an observation here; and I could be wrong, but I would venture to guess that the Capt. may have known he was going to pop positive and possibly tried to get a hold of the results before anyone else?

That charge alone kinda tells me that this wasn't an "accidental" injestion. But that's just me.

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Originally posted by pachesma:
Hey Militia,

THIS is how they buy all these "legal" prescription narcotic drugs online:

http://www.reliable-online-drugs.com/buy-online/buy-Oxy...xycodone-online.html

The 2nd para in BOLDwill fill ya in.

People buying powerful narcotic painkiller prescriptions online with apparently nothing more than a phone call and more money befuddles me as well-JRC

Yea, I dont get this at all. I guess what I am surprised the most about is that no one seems to be interested in regulating this.

T

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I was an E2 on the Edisto in Boston way back in 70.

Ah! The Edisto. I tried my damnedest to get the Edisto when I arrived in Boston in August of '69. My Uncle had spent two years on her when she was Navy. I was trying to start a family tradition thing. I got a light house in Boston Harbor instead. Drat!

I did not see the Official Press Release about the Captain charged with wrongful use of cocaine listed here.
The story is in the upper right corner. (Just right of the picture of the new Eleventh District Commander, Rear Admiral Paul F. Zunkuft at his change of command on August 7).

**militia1, maybe you could contact the 11th District PA staff and ask them to confirm/deny the story you have locked.

You didn't look very hard.....

Look in the upper right hand corner of the link you posted above. It is the first first item under "Recent Updates" (which is in Red) It says "Senior Coast Guard officer charged with wrongful use of cocaine"

If you still can't find it, try this:

https://www.piersystem.com/go/doc/823/221487/

Wray....

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**militia1, maybe you could contact the 11th District PA staff and ask them to confirm/deny the story you have locked.

Its done. I asked if the current or former were involved. Mil.com news team is also investigating.

T

Tony, I have checked with my sources.... all you will probably find out is that Rear Admiral Craig E. Bone had a sudden change of command. My source told me he was "asked" to retire due to the circumstances mentioned in the earlier thread.

I suspect the only way you would get the straight skinny would be to contact Mrs Bone... The CG will play hush hush on this one.

Wray...

That's gotta be potentially one of the most expensive pieces of azz ever!

The thread was ordered to be removed by Mil.com.

T