where can i find a policy stating whats banned and what isnt. my medical isnt of any use, their answers are more like opinions than facts. i heard we use the ncaa list but if thats true stop drinnking coffee because thats on the list. i take what you can get at a gnc or vitamin shoppe, everyone says by what they have at the exchange but thats crap because its all muscletech and so i assume they have a contract since no other brands exist at the exchange. can anyone help? i want to be able to go to a policy so that if ever questioned i can show them. thank you

What supplements are you wondering about?

Every couple of months someone asks this question and the NCAA list comes up. Not once has anyone found any evidence to support the that the CG uses the NCAA list. Thats an urban legend I think.

In 15 years, I have only ever seen messages on two substances. One was banning the use of hemp oil, and the other was Ephedra. Ephedrine was still authorized though.

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ANIMAL STK, ANIMAL M-STAK, ANIMAL TEST, USP LABS POWERFULL, NOVEDEX XT,superpump 250,tribuless terretis These are what i have taken in the past, but someone on a wrkout sight thats a coastie says i cant take the animal stak, the only thing i could find on the ingredients is avena sativa. and the only reason for that is that it couls show up as thc on a **** test. but hey take a couple motrin and that could show up to

uh yeah - but motrin wont show up as weed.

From the research I did on your supplements, they will make you pop positive were you tested for performance enhancing drugs. They make you produce more testosterone and human growth hormone. I don’ t think that the CG test for such things.

However, if you are taking these all together you might be wasting some money harming your body. These supplements all tend to do the same thing. So, they might be over stimulating you and harming your body. Also, if you take too much, your body will simply urinate your money down the drain.

that sounds like my hs response. i look at it this way i dont smoke or drink. i wish the cg would put as much effort into the guys who smoke every hour at the sta. its true, but hey samething can happen with a multi vitamin. i just want to find a specific policy that doesnt leave this area so vague. some people are against supplements, i am against running, where do you run on a 25, or cutter or airframe? the only running i see is when liberty is granted. , i understand different strokes for diffrent folks, i just seem to get more opnions than a policy or fact based answer. i lloked at my wifes nail polish , it has igf-1 in big does, i mean big , its a growth homone, completely legal.

How old are you and what are the goals you have that make you want to take the supplements?

I think that you can accomplish quite a bit using other (simpler) supplements. To build muscle, PROTEIN! Six protein meals throughout the day with at least two in drink form. If you want, take an amino acid stack (BCAA). When I was lifting seriously I used NO Explode, NO2 or something similar. Also I would use something along the lines of Muscle Armor by EAS to facilitate a quicker recovery after the lift session. Also, remember to do cardio. I liked High Intensity Interval Training but make sure you do something!

Why don't you talk to the nearest Health Promotion Manager to you (nearest ISC)? The NCAA list isn't going to be referrenced in any manual, it's just a good guideline. If it's on their banned list, I wouldn't take it... If it's sold in a GNC, especially one on a base, it more than likely OK... The best thing to do it find what you want to use and then ask medical/pee test coordinator if THAT PARTICULAR supplement is OK to use... otherwise, unless it has ephedrine, you're just guessing by asking "what's banned"... Again, the best thing to do is find the nearest civillian Health Promotions Manager (not the Coastie who has it as a collatteral) and talk with them...

HSC Fly, who also happens to be a CDAR...

Chris;
Is the an actual answer to the underlying question IN WRITING any place that the HPM or CDAR will look at? I would have a very hard time going after someone for anything besides the specific illegal narcotics listed in the UCMJ if any member can not go to a written instruction and see a list of no-nos.

I am 34 6'2". i take protein, creatine, bcaa, efa's, glutamine no2 etc etc. i am nsca certified. i understand the eating , lifting, and supplementation process. but as you can see here theres no clear answer. thats what is frustrating. i was thinking of going to the command master chief or even trying to get the coast guard reserve magazine to do a article.

I don't think that you'll find anything in writing but there is always no harm in asking! Good luck and let us know if you find the 'real' answer!

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Originally posted by Mightyz90_93:
Chris;
Is the an actual answer to the underlying question IN WRITING any place that the HPM or CDAR will look at? I would have a very hard time going after someone for anything besides the specific illegal narcotics listed in the UCMJ if any member can not go to a written instruction and see a list of no-nos.

Phil,
There is no list for general Coast Guard (that I know of), there are lists for certain communities (Aviation, etc). That's why my recommendation is to find the specific product and then take the ingrediant list to their Medical Officer or HPC/HPM... I just heard today (haven't confirmed in writing) that Hydroxycut is banned... I remember seeing something in a msg I think, guess I should have read it closer!

I think it would be really hard to have comprehensive list as it would always be changing as new things came out or as one sunstance gets a new name... that's why energy drinks are so dangerous for aviation, one herbal item can have five different names... You really have to keep on your toes for things not regulated by FDA, like a lot of herbals aren't.

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Originally posted by THREEFLYS:
Why don't you talk to the nearest Health Promotion Manager to you (nearest ISC)? The NCAA list isn't going to be referrenced in any manual, it's just a good guideline. If it's on their banned list, I wouldn't take it... If it's sold in a GNC, especially one on a base, it more than likely OK... The best thing to do it find what you want to use and then ask medical/pee test coordinator if THAT PARTICULAR supplement is OK to use... otherwise, unless it has ephedrine, you're just guessing by asking "what's banned"... Again, the best thing to do is find the nearest civillian Health Promotions Manager (not the Coastie who has it as a collatteral) and talk with them...

HSC Fly, who also happens to be a CDAR...

GNC's on military bases sell the same stuff as GNC's off base, which include many supplements banned by the NCAA. By the way, where is the list that contains substances banned by the Coast Guard? I know that's the point of this thread, to get a detailed list, but I'm just talking about whatever we have to go off now (not NCAA list).. I know the Coast Guard has specifically banned ephedra products, hemp products, obviouslly illegal drugs, anything else?
Thanks

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Originally posted by SOULARFITNESS:
ANIMAL STK, ANIMAL M-STAK, ANIMAL TEST, USP LABS POWERFULL, NOVEDEX XT,superpump 250,tribuless terretis These are what i have taken in the past, but someone on a wrkout sight thats a coastie says i cant take the animal stak, the only thing i could find on the ingredients is avena sativa. and the only reason for that is that it couls show up as thc on a **** test. but hey take a couple motrin and that could show up to

Avena Sativa are oats.. I highly highly doubt this will show up as THC. This ingredient is found in a lot of "natural" testosterone boosting supplements because it is claimed that it helps free up some bound test in your body. This ingredient won't make you pop positive for performance enhancing supplements because it isn't going to make your test levels go to "un-natural" levels, and it isn't an actual banned substance.

On a side note, some people might mistake "sativa" for being an illegal drug. For example, pot is known as Cannibus Sativa. Sativa just means sown or cultivated, and there are a bunch of plants that have sativa in the name.. For example, Castanea Sativa is a sweet chestnut, cucumis sativus is a cucumber, allium sativum is garlic and list goes on and on.

This information may help clarify some of the confusion:

"U.S. Coast Guard Regulations Chapter 9, Section 2-15 (page 102)

http://uscg.mil/directives/cim...5999/CIM_5000_3B.pdf

9-2-15 Controlled Substances and Anabolic Steroids
A. Except for authorized medicinal purposes, the introduction, possession, use, sale, or other transfer of controlled substances or anabolic steroids on board any ship, craft, or aircraft of the Coast Guard, in any government-owned vehicle or within any Coast Guard station or other place under the jurisdiction of the Coast Guard, or the possession, use, sale or other transfer of controlled substances or anabolic steroids by persons in the Coast Guard is prohibited.
B. The term “controlled substance” means; a drug or other substance included in Schedule I, II, III, IV, or V established by Section 202 of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970 (84 Stat 1236), as updated and republished under the provisions of that Act.
C. The term “anabolic steroids” means; any drug or other substance included on the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) list of banned Anabolic Steroids. The most common of these include, but are not limited to Nandrelone, Stanozolol, Testosterone and Fluoxymesterone."

i heard this yesterday. is hydroxycut illegal to take now in the military?

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Originally posted by blueclawcraw:
i heard this yesterday. is hydroxycut illegal to take now in the military?

I guess it depends on which formulation of hydroxycut you are talking about, there are several. I dont remember seeing a specific message from the CG banning it but that doesnt mean it does not exist.

note that hydroxycut was recently pulled off the shelves by the FDA due to one of the ingredients causing liver failure in some folks. as with any supplement, look at what's in it, research and discuss with someone in the medical profession i.e. doctor before you take is just my humble advice.

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C. The term “anabolic steroids” means; any drug or other substance included on the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) list of banned Anabolic Steroids. The most common of these include, but are not limited to Nandrelone, Stanozolol, Testosterone and Fluoxymesterone."

That is interesting.

I did a little google search and found an NCAA document that said:

"Some Examples of NCAA Banned Substances in each class
NOTE: There is no complete list of banned drug examples!!
Check with your athletics department staff to review the label of any product, medication or supplement before you consume it!"

Another interesting note - the cut from CG Regs above is pretty specific. It references the NCAAs anabolic steroid list. NOT the entire list, just the steroids.