He was a SS3 on the Woodrush in 87-88 when I was a non rate, we all knew something wasn't right with this guy, you couldn't put your finger on it, but you just knew.

Fourstring,
I don't expect you to show compassion for those who have been themselves, or know victims of sexual abuse. What is remarkable about you is your callous attitude towards those who have been victims or live with one. Do you know what it is like to live in a small box for 20 years? Ever been jailed? Do you know about the "prison" that victims of sexual abuse live in? Raw emotions are very powerful, especially those associated with a loved one. Any person who would want to do harm to a person that abuses a loved one is doing what is natural. My first instinct would be to lash out at the person who did harm to my family. Whether to punish them or protect my family, I would want to lash out. That is why law enforcement personnel and others are trained to deal with the grieving family and make sure this does not happen. I cannot say what I would do if anyone harmed my daughter. Have you been the victim of vigilante justice? What punishment do you think was approriate in this case? Do you think this guy should be brought back for a court martial? How about his CG retirement?

arctic,

You compeltely missed my point. I did not state that the urge to lash out at an accused sex offender isn't natural or excusable. I stated that acting on such emotions is wrong, illegal, and it goes against everything a civilized society stands for, namely the rul of law.

I already addressed his retirement pay in a previous post. As far as a court martial, why? Why waste more money on the scumbag?The guy's about to sit in prison for 20 years, then he'll be branded for life as a sex offender.

FourString

Your wrong on a few points. 1) He is only going to do eight years. 2) He only has to register as a offender for 10 years after his release. 3) He is a convicted sex offender, not accused.

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Originally posted by FourString:
arctic,

You compeltely missed my point. I did not state that the urge to lash out at an accused sex offender isn't natural or excusable. I stated that acting on such emotions is wrong, illegal, and it goes against everything a civilized society stands for, namely the rul of law.

I already addressed his retirement pay in a previous post. As far as a court martial, why? Why waste more money on the scumbag?The guy's about to sit in prison for 20 years, then he'll be branded for life as a sex offender.

He's "branded" as a sex offender because HE IS ONE.

Fourstring,
Thanks for clarification. We all agree that the guy is a scumbag. I feel for his family and hope they are taken care of. I don't like the nonsense his family said about pleading guilty to avoid the long legal process and costs. I would never plead guilty to anything, let alone pleading guilty to being a child molester! I agree on the UCMJ part of your post, it would be a waste ot time to jack with this clown any further. Perhaps he will serve more than the obligatory 8 years of his sentence. I hope he understands he has "sentenced" his family for life. A life of shame, financial difficulty, and instability. Hopefully they will be fine.

If you do not have something you would die or kill for in your life I truly pitty you. If society has come to the point where everything is relative and the new standard of "morals" say a father should not want to harm someone for harming his son or daughter then that is a society not worth living in, and not worth fighting for.

I feel like I'm talking to myself. Are my words so hard to comprehend? I never said that the desire to exact vengeance will not and should not be present. I stated that to act on those emotions outside of the rule of law should be treated like the crime it is. Also, you all seem to forget that in the United States of America, our constitution guarantees that we are innocent until proven guilty. This means that you do not have the right to exact vigilantly justice on someone who has only been accused of a crime.

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Originally posted by FourString:
I feel like I'm talking to myself. Are my words so hard to comprehend? I never said that the desire to exact vengeance will not and should not be present. I stated that to act on those emotions outside of the rule of law should be treated like the crime it is. Also, you all seem to forget that in the United States of America, our constitution guarantees that we are innocent until proven guilty. This means that you do not have the right to exact vigilantly justice on someone who has only been accused of a crime.

Fourstring - he has been found guilty and sentenced to prison. It has gone beyond the accused stage.

The Bible and the Koran are pretty straight forward about exacting an eye for an eye, tooth for tooth; illegal? Not necessary; there are cases on file where criminals have been killed by a greiving parent and not been convicted by s jury.

I don't think people aren't hearing what you are saying; they, like I, probably just don't agree with you!

So, it's right and just to kill someone who harms your family? Okay, then ... it's about time. Somewhere I missed that caveat in the penal code.

Where does Jesus say kill those who hurt you? I want the exact passage.

Also, what the bible and the koran say and what the U.S. code of laws say are two different things. This is not a theocracy.

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Originally posted by SociallyAutistic:
So, it's right and just to kill someone who harms your family? Okay, then ... it's about time. Somewhere I missed that caveat in the penal code.

What's funny is some of the same people who go on and on about drugs remaining illegal, and preaching about abiding by those laws, are the same people who are advocating murdering (breaking the law) those convicted of other crimes.

What I find amusing is folks stating the obvious over and over and over again. Obviously anyone with a working brain knows that if you exact revenge on someone who hurt/killed/molested someone near and dear to you, you stand a good chance at being locked up. It's a moot point.

Here's an idea...ship all the child molesters, rapists, murderers and violent offenders to the most remote areas of Alaska in the dead of winter with only the clothes on their backs. Make sure they're all micro-chipped with GPS so we can track them and throw a couple video cameras in the mix, just for fun. If they survive and make it back to civilization, they'll be transported to a remote island in the bering sea and tortured for 23 hours a day for the rest of their lives. One hour of the torture will be televised live at 8:00pm on NBC Monday nights with a chance for the audience to call in and vote for their favorite. The results will be televised live on Tuesday nights. The one who receives the least amount of votes will be cast off to the south side of the island for the rest of their lives and have to deal with the constant threat of death at the hands of the "OTHERS".

Hmmmm, you must really be socially autistic if you didn't catch on to my obvious sarcasm. As far as throwing out the 4th Amendment...what does that have to do with convicted felons? Last time I checked, people in prison are not protected by that right. Maybe you should spend some time in prison so you can experience first hand how "innocent" they all are.

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Originally posted by JekelKat13:
What I find amusing is folks stating the obvious over and over and over again. Obviously anyone with a working brain knows that if you exact revenge on someone who hurt/killed/molested someone near and dear to you, you stand a good chance at being locked up. It's a moot point.

Yeah, tell that to everyone else on here. Anything else? Good. Have a nice day.

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Originally posted by FourString:
arctic,
As far as a court martial, why? Why waste more money on the scumbag?The guy's about to sit in prison for 20 years, then he'll be branded for life as a sex offender.

Here is a good reason. First he probably won't serve the 20 years more like eight to ten if he doesn’t get into trouble and makes a good impression on the parole board. Every sex offender I ever ran across was very well behaved and never caused problems. Yes he will be branded for life only if he registers wherever he goes. Most sex offenders don’t register once they get out because they are branded for life and a majority of parole officers can’t check up on all their case load because they are overworked and overloaded with parolees to manage. I know this because I worked in the Colorado Criminal Justice system for just over a year and just got overly disgusted so I got a better job. The good news is most systems don’t segregate sex offenders unless they are claiming custody issues and if they do then they have a target on them from mostly virtually every Security Threat Group in prison. They have special ways of dealing with sex offenders. They don’t kill them but most wish they were dead instead of what they are made into. Why would you think it a “WASTE OF MONEY” to prosecute a child molester to the fullest extent possible? IMHO child molesters are the lowest forms of life and should be prosecuted in every possible way imaginable and locked up for as long as possible.

I have 3 child molestors with in 6 blocks of me. The PD posts the pictures and the address's so we don't take our kids up there. They have a ankle brace and if they leave the apartment the PD is notified.

Probably the most important "Why waste the money.." on a CM answer is that it would be SAVING money, not wasting it. W/O a CM, doing the proper thing and taking him off the payrole is difficult. Taking away Veteran/Retiree benifits is difficult. The benifits are not his families, they are HIS.

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Originally posted by JekelKat13:
What I find amusing is folks stating the obvious over and over and over again. Obviously anyone with a working brain knows that if you exact revenge on someone who hurt/killed/molested someone near and dear to you, you stand a good chance at being locked up. It's a moot point.

Yeah, tell that to everyone else on here. Anything else? Good. Have a nice day.

Oh and in your world you believe that's the end of a conversation. The one that labels others as "ignorant". Nothing like putting your fingers in your ears and screaming "LA LA LA" at the top of your lungs.