How many senior people will get overlooked in these future standards like today's standards. I personally believe that if all members that are medically cleared should be held to the same standard regardless of pay grade. Before someone replies and speaks of integrity or that says that the standards are being up held take a good look around your unit and quit lying to yourself. May be this will get some of our members moving in the right direction or clear out some billets to open up advancement.

I certainly won't say some won't slip through the cracks. Of course, if they can't meet the weight standards it will be hard too. But from the senior folks I know (enlisted, and Officer) that struggle with the current and will struggle with the new standards take it seriously and don't expect to be given any preferencial treatment because of their seniority.

I can guarentee there is no quarter given at my Sector. An officer was forced into retirement because of the weight program and a 3rd class was processed during the last year. I am not saying it dosent happen but I think it happens a lot less than it used to. and I am one of the people who always struggle with their weight, at least I have another year to lose the extra

My last XO was one of those guys who always just barely made his weight. He really worked hard at it. Because of this (and maybe other reasons), he had a Zero Tolerance approach. Strictly enforced. As previously stated, no quarter given and none asked.

For some reson I think the CG will be reduced in size and retirement letters for those who CAN maintain the standars will come back unable to process at this time. For this I would say thanks to all those (for lack of better words) fat bodies who just don't care.

This is a sore subject for me...I am under my standard by 22 lbs. I dont see how someone could take it so close and think that it is ok.

My rant.

Not sure of the problem with this. If anyone has noticed, our new standards are aligned with the navy. It has been working for them. The only thing that this does is weed out those who are above the BF%. My max weight dropped from 205 to 186.

If you PT like you SHOULD, and eat healthy, there won't be any issues (except for those with legitimate medical reasons).

BTW, I do believe that the BF standards have been dropped by 1%.

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My max weight dropped from 205 to 186.

...and that is a bit of an anomoly. Mine 'dropped' from 209 to 208, 28 lbs over my current weight.

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Originally posted by Mightyz90_93:

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My max weight dropped from 205 to 186.

...and that is a bit of an anomoly. Mine 'dropped' from 209 to 208, 28 lbs over my current weight.

MC -

Anomaly...could be. I invite you to look me up in DA. 5'11 and a wrist code of I dunno what. I'm still below my new max weight. My profile has my last name, so if ya want, look it up. If I'm wrong, please say so.

P.S. - still looking at that heritage

BTW - as a UHPC, I still see this new standard as okay. Others may disagree, but I think it fits. Just my 2 cents.

They gave us a year to get ready so there really wont be any good reasons, short of medicle problems not to meet it. If it makes me loose some more unwanted weight then thats is ok with me, Good Luck everyone ....I still think manditory PT like the Army or Marines do it is the way to go but that is just my opinion

If we are concerned about our people meeting this new requirement, then we have an OBLIGATION to help them succeed. The CG has decided that this is one way which we will measure success in our organization. Now, we may get all mad and disagree, but it is what it is. We owe it to our people. And the Chiefs and the Officers need to be front and center.

Commands should seriously consider implementing a mandatory PT program within their commands NOW. If they are sincerely concerned about having to process people out next year, then we as leaders owe them better than that.

0700, in formation. Three times a week. Let's go!

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Originally posted by 2494906:

0700, in formation. Three times a week. Let's go!

Not to make this another mandatory PT thread but most operational units could never get 100% participation at a set PT period. Too many pans in the fire. People will have to continue to be held accountable for their own fitness.

Devil is always in the details, isn't it?? But really... Most of the weight violators that I see aren't from operational units. It's from Sectors, Districts, Areas, etc...

As a UHPC...you can sit down with your command. There is nothing that says a command can not mandate PF. I was a UHPC in the past. At a MINIMUM the command has to weigh and enforce weight standards...however, they can take it a step further and still be well in their right.

This sounds like a thread of why I am going to make an excuse to not dop pt with every one else. Tough guys.....if you werent scared to pt then why the Oh god why should I pt with everyone. What happened to leading by example. effing wussies...by the way just ran 10.24, 90 pushups and 50 situps....stopping early...I will smoke any one in pt...............!

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Not to make this another mandatory PT thread but most operational units could never get 100% participation at a set PT period. Too many pans in the fire. People will have to continue to be held accountable for their own fitness.

Tank - I disagree to the extent that you wouldn't have 100% participation 100% of the time but a 30 minute block of exercise, at the beginning of the work day let's see:

0700-0730 PT
0730-0800 Shower/dress for work
0800-1200 Work
1200-1230 Lunch
1230-1600 Work

Duty Flight Crew/Boat Crew exempt on the morning they have duty; obviously response to operational response takes precedent; but unless things really changed it does not require 75 people at an air station to launch and recover an aircraft.

The Coast Guard (in my opinion) has always treated the weight program as a physical appearance issue and not a health and fitness issue.

I remember the Army, at Fort Belvoir, as I would have to stop for platoons and companys running in formation at 0600 as I was driving into work. I also remember reading articles in the Navy Times about the annual fatalities the Navy would have as some members would have heart attacks a week before their PFT as they tried to prepare for it. Two extremes but my point is in order to make it work you have to have some things happen that haven't been done on a servicewide level:

1. Weight Standards apply to everyone at every unit; obviously there will be some certain exceptions but those shall be approved at a level higher then the unit

2. Organized PT/Unit Participation PT program

3. Already started, but a more healthy menu in CGDFs.

4. Change the mindset of all members; beginning at Boot Camp, Academy, OCS - incorporate exercise and diet (and instill the mental attitude) into the daily routine.

5. Do like the Marines; make them into lean, mean fighting machines...(OK not mean and fighting in the sense of ready to answer all bells).

Just my $.02; as one who has always fought the battle of the bulge (and paid for it financially and even more costly - physically) The Coast Guard owes it to the public and the members to make this a program that is a success not something doomed for failure...

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Originally posted by darylniles:
This sounds like a thread of why I am going to make an excuse to not dop pt with every one else. Tough guys.....if you werent scared to pt then why the Oh god why should I pt with everyone. What happened to leading by example. effing wussies...by the way just ran 10.24, 90 pushups and 50 situps....stopping early...I will smoke any one in pt...............!

I am going to reccomend this post for the Gayist post ever on Fredsplace.


And Daryl PT is masturbation come talk to me when you have actually done sometihng worth bragging about.

To make sure that I have it correct or not, as long as you meet your following weight in October 09, you are good to go or is thier something else? If this is the case, it's not so bad as I only lost 04 lbs from the old MAW. Someone please let me know. Thanks.

6. REVISED MAW (BASED ON BMI OF 27.5, REGARDLESS OF AGE OR
GENDER):
HEIGHT (INCHES) WEIGHT (LBS)
58 131
59 136
60 141
61 145
62 150
63 155
64 160
65 165
66 170
67 175
68 180
69 186
70 191
71 197
72 202
73 208
74 214
75 220
76 225
77 231
78 237
79 244
80 250
7. REVISED MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE BODY FAT (BF):
AGE PERCENT BF (MALE) PERCENT BF (FEMALE)
LESS THAN 30 22 32
LESS THAN 40 24 34
OVER 40 26 36

It was...Saturday night at home, what can i say.

So it looks like the BMI for everyone is 27.5 max? Thats how I read that portion of the message. For me, the max allowable drops nearly 10 lbs...I go from 213 (<7 3/4 wrist, 72") to 202 MAW with the new BMI. As I mentioned in a previous post, Ive dropped nearly 30 lbs in two years but now Im wondering about the BF thing. I guess the way it looks is I should be good with the BF measurements while slightly over my BMI Max allowable. Either way, I guess the effects of these new standards might manifest itself early on through PT Injuries, people tryin to huff n puff their way through PT and workouts a month before weigh ins, and crash diets.

Some of the things Ive learned from my own personal experiences in the last year are:
1) Exercise - needs to happen, and at least 30 min of moderate exercise, with a good mix of cardio & weights, 3X a week.
2) Diet: Smaller portions at meal times, with small snacks in between, to keep the metabolism up. Stay away from the burgers & fries, and heavy fat items at the galley, go for the salads, lean meats, and again..smaller portions.
3) Coffee/alcohol: For me personally , cutting tbe booze was the BIG difference. All that empty carbs n sugars gone from my system no longer weighed around my wasteline, plus, not drinking anymore has helped improve my sleep and rest patterns. Coffee on the other hand..well i cant give up ALL good things, can I?
4) Rest - cant stress this enough...4-5 hrs of sleep and going full throttle can't work. After a while, the body will shut down from properly processing calories, and it's easy to fall back into bad eating habits when on the run and go all the time.

Just my 2C.