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To the Dems Who Voted to 'Defund ACORN': Where is the Defund Blackwater Act?
The congressional legislation intended to defund ACORN, passed with broad bipartisan support, is written so broadly that it applies to "any organization" that has been charged with breaking federal or state election laws, lobbying disclosure laws, campaign finance laws or filing fraudulent paperwork with any federal or state agency. It also applies to any of the employees, contractors or other folks affiliated with a group charged with any of those things. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeremy-scahill/to-the-dems-who-voted-to_b_299266.html |
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Actually, I believe Congress has shot themselves in the foot on this one. To answer your question, the "Defund Blackwater Act" is posted here. It is, in fact, the same Act. If Congress wishes to escape from the embarrassment of ACORN, they are going to have to be much more specific in their wording. The way the Act is currently worded, I cannot think of a single defense contractor who could retain their contracts. |
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I think it would also mean that many in Congress would loose their paychecks as well Forget the dog, Beware of Owner |
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I wasn't aware that Blackwater had anything to do with electioneering. Congress on the other hand...
SW, a link showing Blackwaters involvement in any election process please. |
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 "My word is my bond"  |
as much as I hope ACORN and it's many tentacles go down in flames I also hope they go down pointing fingers and naming names. And I do believe our elected elite are very much worried about that possibility.
One Flag......One Heart......One Nation............EVERMORE |
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A simple fix in the wording would limit the scope and clarify intent.
Change the phrase "any organization" to read "any not for profit organization", and then change the phrase "charged with" to read "criminally convicted of" and I believe the problem of wording is solved. |
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Naw there Mad-dog, its about "LIB RETRIBUTION..." The LIB mindset is, inorder for a guilty LIB organization to be punished, a good non-LIB organization must be sacrificed... Kinda like the "whipping boy" concept. A LIB org has sinned, thus, a non-LIB org must be punished... It provides comfort to the Sheeple Nation |
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Not to worry, ACORN will be added on the DOD's "Black OPS" funding list... Did I just make a racist comment... If so, IT'S NOT MY FAULT ! ! !  |
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"Bowlers have BIG balls!"  |
Since we're discussing corruption, where's the defund Congress Act?
  "The World's Finest" |
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Naw..., They gots Diplomatic Immunity...Just ask'em. The laws they legislate don't apply to them! |
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Highly Experienced Member |
"Nuke it from orbit--it's the only way to be sure...."
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10 DAYS SUSPENSION NEMESIS |
A reminder for those of you who don't read very well.
The law of unintended consequences at work. Expect someone to file suit Monday. |
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The bill also extends the ban for filing fraudulent paperwork (like a fudged after-action report to justify shooting up a street full of people with a private army, or bullshiit testing documentation to cover unsat body armour) and violating lobbying disclosure laws---yeah...that net's a little large. Typical dittohead to justify the actions of a rogue private army by pointing up the wrongdoings of another organization.  Now go a-way or I shall taunt you a second time! |
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It may be un-constitutional as it is written now. See story at HufPo. It singles out ACORN. Over all I like it though, just as long as it puts all the players (Xe, and the thousands of others entities sucking at the government teat) under the same scrutiny.
The Defund Acorn Act is likely to be ruled unconstitutional, the Congressional Research Service says in a report obtained by the Huffington Post, responding to questions from Reps. John Conyers (D-Mich.) and Barney Frank (D-Mass.). The Constitution forbids "bills of attainder" written to punish a specific individual or group of people. The independent research body determined that the bill intended to defund the community organizing group ACORN "would appear to meet a per se criteria for specificity." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/24/gop-fail-congressional-re_n_298698.html |
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At the risk of sounding like a simpleton, just why the Hell is the government funding or subsidizing any of these organizations? I really dislike the idea that my taxes are going up to pay for entities that our Founders never would have imagined or would have been the stuff of their nightmares.
Why on God's Green Earth should Congress, that bovine collection of mediocre rent-seekers, empty grandstanders and pedestrian crooks, need to pass a law to defund what they were never originally authorized to fund in the first friggin' place? I'm sure someone could justify the need for that under some interpretation of some obscure clause in the Interstate Commerce Act legislation, but only after torturing it in a way that would have horrified Saddam Hussein's psychopathic sons. It's simple, folks. Blackwater and ACORN are private enterprises; neither deserves government funding. And any government official who disagrees should clean out his desk and practice asking, "Do you want that Supersized...?" |
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A brilliant and concrete example of the Law of Unintended Consequence in action.
It is a beautiful and awesome thing to behold. |
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Frankly, if this bill passes, and withstands court challanges, I kind of like it. Of course it cannot be applied retroactively as I understand the constitution. The whole no ex post facto thing, which means, no law can be passed to change the legal consequences or status of acts that were commited prior to the passage of the law. So, on the surface, this bill would seem to me to apply a legal consequence for acts commited by an organization or group after it is was passed.
As for it qualifying as a bill of attainder, that is up to the courts to figure out. However, if used as a regulatory tool, essentially saying that the goernment will not engage in transactions/business with groups under investigation or suspected of crimes, than it would not be a bill of attainder. Also, there would need to be a provision providing for the resumption of normal relations once the matter was cleared up and criminality or lack thereof determined. |
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Quite right on all points. |
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Actually a Bill of Attainder is exactly what it is. And the only way they can legislate such things is with a constitutional amendment. People/Groups are innocent until proven guilty in this country regardless of what congress wants to legislate. |
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bump |
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Gee, you seem to be implying that we are some sort of nation of laws or something. I love unintended consequences... |
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There you go again Yoopie, just can't seem to effectively express yourself intelligently without the "typical dittohead" and assorted insults... That "Rogue Private Army" provided premiere protection to OUR Generals, Diplomats, US/Foreign VIPs, USO, etc... BLACKWATER (aka Xe) NEVER LOST A CLIENT/CUSTOMER... It freed up OUR Trigger Pullers to execute their primary mission - Kill Muslim Extremists... Yoopie, I bet you know all this already, cause I can just bet your arse served in a Line Unit or SOF Organization, I can just bet... Interesting thing I learned throughout my career... The "wounded" making the most noise was ALWAYS hurt the least... What am I saying..., well its kinda like those that NEVER shouldered a rucksack, nor readied their weapon, nor walked Point...were/are always the most vocal of those that execute the mission... Although, I surmise, you've never walked "it" you are quite liberal to talk "it" . . . hammerhead (two feet of empty space between eyeballs) |
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Sorry, but using the "ACORN Logic", any good that an organization does is automatically null and void if ANY of their employees break the law. Many of Blackwater's (Xe's) employees broke the law so anything good that the organization has done is NULL AND VOID. Too bad, so sad. |
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It must really suck being you . . . To not have the faculties to comprehend the simplest of concepts...so sad |
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Ah...instead of trying to actually have a point of view and explain it, you must resort to petty insults. Actually, it doesn't suck to be me at all. It is really awesome being me. So, do you want to try to actually have a conversation about this or not? Employees of ACORN broke the law. Employees of Blackwater broke the law. Should we defund both or neither? |
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Just when I swore off personal attacks--and the tiny weenies who know no other form of communication---along comes elliot. I've never served in the Combat Arms. I've said it before. I'm saying it again...and I wasn't aware that it was a requirement to vote or to speak my mind in this forum or any other---excepting Combat Arms/SOF specific forums I don't participate in out of respect. As to the hammerhead thing, try harder. Or is that the best you've got? Now go a-way or I shall taunt you a second time! |
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Obviously Yooper..., that's all you really have to lay any claim to...are insults
Lead The Way, hero I see it brings you great comfort |
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How did you jump from those highlighted words below to faulty body armour and after action reports ?
Never mind, I don't want to know, nor care. |
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10 DAYS SUSPENSION NEMESIS |
I know you don't care, but you DID ask...
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