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Originally posted by bill12351:

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:
Still no links to all this “alleged” voter fraud that these IDs would “allegedly” prevent. Even the SCOTUS said there was no NEED for these ID laws that are, obviously, disenfranchising voters. That is unacceptable. If you disenfranchise 100 people for every one case of “alleged” voter fraud, you have the wrong law.

If you are that easily disenfranchised just maybe it's best that you stay home and allow the people who take voting as a serious matter participate.

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Originally posted by bill12351:
After reading through all five pages of this it makes me wonder were common sense went.

Voting laws or rules are made to ensure one-person one-vote, as well as verifying the voter has a legal right to vote.
When you start making exceptions to the laws... the laws are no longer prudent and become useless.

In the case of the elderly nuns age, age does not give anyone a right to vote. If they are not legally registered or carrying the proper identification set down by the laws of the federal or state government (sanctioned by the Constitution) regulating voting, they do not have the right to vote.
Why some of you want to make this an issue... seems politically based and bias.

There is no true advantage to any party or candidate when the intentions are to have a true and lawful election. If you do not qualify under the voting laws... you should not be committing fraud.

The other excuse that this would affect lower class people who are incompetent enough not to understand how to register to vote, probably shouldn't be voting in the first place.

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Originally posted by bill12351:

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:
Still no links to all this “alleged” voter fraud that these IDs would “allegedly” prevent. Even the SCOTUS said there was no NEED for these ID laws that are, obviously, disenfranchising voters. That is unacceptable. If you disenfranchise 100 people for every one case of “alleged” voter fraud, you have the wrong law.

If you are that easily disenfranchised just maybe it's best that you stay home and allow the people who take voting as a serious matter participate.

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Originally posted by navy8086:
Come ON MOST people have a drivers licences or State-issued photo ID's ARE not that hard to get!

Tell that to the 98 year old woman whose probably been voting for more years than we've been alive.

She should just drive herself down to the DMV, and get an ID.

Her husband probably fought in WWI, and there's a damn good chance also WWII, and you jokingly throw away the most basic right we have.

Thanks for showing the American people the true nature of Conservatism.

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Originally posted by GunnyRet03:

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Originally posted by ArtMarsh:

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Originally posted by Jade_Gate:

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Originally posted by WhoFreak:

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Originally posted by navy8086:
Come ON MOST people have a drivers licences or State-issued photo ID's ARE not that hard to get!

Tell that to the 98 year old woman whose probably been voting for more years than we've been alive.

She should just drive herself down to the DMV, and get an ID.

Her husband probably fought in WWI, and there's a damn good chance also WWII, and you jokingly throw away the most basic right we have.

Thanks for showing the American people the true nature of Conservatism.

What a ridiculous statement! How many nuns do you know that have/had husbands?

I personally knew a priest in that situation. Does that count?

And what does that have to do with a someone showing up to vote w/o the proper ID?I know a lot of people too

Because it's a law that is specifically designed to supress voting.

We've had this battle before when they finally eliminated "poll taxes" and "literacy" tests.

It's nothing but a "thinly" veiled attempt to reduce the number of legal voters, wrapped up in the guise of "protecting" us from something that the Supreme Court couldn't even find one example of.

On a personal note. My Grandmother lived to the ripe old age of 100. She was born when Teddy Roosevelt was president. Husband fought not only in WW1, but WWII as well. Lived through the Depression, two world wars, worked every day of her life until at age 86, she had to slow down. Her husband (who she always called "Mister"), passed away at age 62. She never owned a car. She walked to work and road the bus, or relied on my father for rides to church, the hairdresser, etc. IN THE ENTIRE TIME SHE HAD THE RIGHT TO VOTE, SHE NEVER MISSED A VOTE.

- She owned her home and paid her taxes.
- She lived on Social Security and the small pension my Grandfather got from the Railroads.
- She raised two sons.
- She rose at 0530 everyday to make coffee and breakfast.
- She tended her garden and worked at the store

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SHE NEVER HAD AN ID CARD IN HER LIFE

I guess the life she led, the devotion she had to this country, the blood her husband shed on the battlefields, the taxes she paid, the home she owned, the children she loved, the utilities she paid, the small bank account she had....was all she thought she would ever need to exercise a right GIVEN TO US IN THE CONSTITUTION

Under this law, she would be turned away at the polls!

Thank God she didn't live to see it!

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Under this law, she would be turned away at the polls!

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Originally posted by Jade_Gate:
And I say again ... they had every right to vote absentee ... and did not do so. The provisions for absentee voting are tailored for people just like these nuns ... old ... infirm ... as well as other reasons that make voting at the poll impractical. Ignorance is no excuse ...

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Originally posted by Jade_Gate:
And I say again ... they had every right to vote absentee ... and did not do so. The provisions for absentee voting are tailored for people just like these nuns ... old ... infirm ... as well as other reasons that make voting at the poll impractical. Ignorance is no excuse ...

Again I would ask how these voter ID laws are effective if they DON’T address absentee voters? How is that “preventing fraud”? 25 states have NO VOTER ID LAWS and yet manage just fine. I’m still waiting for these “alleged” incidents of fraud that these laws are supposed to be stopping. Instead, they are disenfranchising the poor and the elderly.

Let's say that we do get voter ID laws across the country, do you then support same day voter registration?

Open or closed primaries? You may have mentioned that before, but I don't recall and simply can't wade through again.

I know you DO support VVPATs (I still can't imagine why ANYONE would not)

Look, I am opposed to disenfranchising a single voter period. I believe that these voter ID laws do that. They are laws put in place to stop crimes that aren't occuring. That makes no sense, especially if voters are feeling disenfranchised as a result.

California may or may not become a voter ID state. I hope not, but I'll deal with it when it happens. I am CERTAINLY not looking forward to trying to teach it to my poll workers...

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Originally posted by SgtSchaeffersMom:
People who don't make sure that they can follow the election law with proper ID have DISENFRANCHISED THEMSELVES.

Quit making excuses for irresponsible, lazy people.

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What is the purpose of these voter ID laws? To stop something that isn’t even occurring?

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Lots of elderly African Americans don't have SSNs or birth certificates. Are they lazy and irresponsible because they weren’t ever issued these things?

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So, is Drmwvr being lazy and irresponsible?

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This being done in order to get a replacement SS card in order to assure her eligibility for some Federal Programs. Some 30 odd years ago the family domicile burned to the ground destroying all records and documents in addition to killing my father. Need I say this endeavor to verify her identity has turned into a complete monkey drill, a living Catch 22.

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Absolutely...it became a law to have an SS card/number several decades ago.

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Well, as SS and Medicare are for those too lazy to have accumulated a few generations of familial wealth, or at least made a good-sized fortune in stocks to retire on, why should we care?

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Well, as SS and Medicare are for those too lazy to have accumulated a few generations of familial wealth, or at least made a good-sized fortune in stocks to retire on, why should we care?

COMMENT: If that's a genuinely serious observation and not just simply a sarcastic quip, then that's amazingly insensitive and inaccurate.

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Absolutely...it became a law to have an SS card/number several decades ago.

That is not techically true. There is no requirement simply to have an SS number. There ARE some things you cannot (legally) do ... and entitlements you cannot claim ... without one.

I don't know of any parent, for example, that does not seek an SS number for their newborn in time for tax filing. Without one, you lose an exemption ... but that is one's choice.

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Again I would ask how these voter ID laws are effective if they DON’T address absentee voters?

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People who don't make sure that they can follow the election law with proper ID have DISENFRANCHISED THEMSELVES. Quit making excuses for irresponsible, lazy people.