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Military.com Forums Hot Topics & Current Events Point-Counterpoint A leading Hillary supporter defects to McCain|
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http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/tamcam/archive/2008/...tches-to-mccain.aspx He has seen the light
"A man who won't die for something is not fit to live." -Martin Luther King, Jr |
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From your link:
Newsweek Exclusive: Top Clinton Supporter John Coale Endorses McCain John Coale, a prominent Washington lawyer, husband of Fox TV host Greta Van Susteren and a supporter of Sen. Hillary Clinton, announced today that he was supporting John McCain for president. Coale, who traveled with Sen. Clinton, President Clinton and her family through out the primary season, complained of sexism, and said the Democratic Party is "being taken over by the moveon.org types" in an exclusive interview with Newsweek.com's Tammy Haddad. He said he tried to prevent Clinton's brother, Tony Rodham, from attending an August 18th meeting in Scranton, Pa. with McCain campaign surrogate Carly Fiorina. "I urged him not to go and told him it would embarrass his sister, but he has a mind of his own." Coale says Mr. Rodham asked Ms. Fiorina "about McCain's Supreme Court picks." ~~~ The Clintons don't handle "embarrassment" very well ... no wonder the Dead List is at 72. He should be very very careful! Mysterious deaths surround the Clintons. Who's next? "Anything easy ain't worth a damn." Woody Hayes (RIP) |
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Are you suggesting that there is a criminal conspiracy to murder Clinton critics and that the Clintons are either involved or directing it? This is a serious libelous accusation. Do you have any supporting resources at all or is this just more of your typical hair-brained Clinton-hating rhetoric? |
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Better look up the laws on libel/slander of a public person. As you can see from the tabloids, it is a very hard thing to prove, with the basis of proof being on said public person, and all three of the clintons have very public persona's. |
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If you can bring back the dead, skinman, and/or change their manner of death, I'll retract.
In the meantime, here's a partial list of the mysteriously dead who crossed the Clintons: THE CLINTON BODY-COUNT The following is a partial list of a large number of persons who have recently met their demise in suspicious circumstances who appear to have some connection to the Clintons. Although many listeners suggested he should be on the list, the list does NOT include William Colby. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mary Mahoney White House Intern died 7/97 An attractive 25 year old woman, Mary was a former White House Intern for Bill Clinton working as the Assistant Manager at a Starbuck's Coffee shop in Georgetown. In the pre-trial publicity surrounding Paula Jones lawsuit, and mere days after Newsweek's Mike Isikoff had dropped hints that a "former White House staffer" was about to go public with her story of sexual harassement at 1600 Pennsylvania, gunmen entered the Starbuck's while the crew was cleaning up after closing. Mary's two associates were taken to a room and shot. Mary herself had five bullets in her. No money was taken. As of this writing, Mike Isikoff's "former White House staffer" has never appeared. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- THE MOST FAMOUS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vincent Foster White House Counsel died: 7/21/93 - Found dead in Ft. Marcy Park in Washington, DC, of a supposed suicide by gunshot. A suicide note was supposedly found a few days later, torn into several pieces, in his briefcase, after his office had been entered by WhiteHouse staff and materials removed. The gun which he supposedly used to kill himself was reported to be still in his hand, but the person who first found the body reports that there was no gun at that time. Many irregularities surround the deathand the investigation of it. - Foster was also from Hope, Ark., like Clinton, and also worked for the Rose Law firm. Foster had intimate knowledge of the Clintons' personal finances. Foster was involved in an investigation of their finances, and reportedly made a phone call to Hillary Clinton, in Little Rock, just hours before his death. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DEAD BODYGUARDS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Maj. Gen. William Robertson Deputy Commanding General, V Corps, Europe Col William Densberger V Corps Chief of Operations and Plans Col. Robert Kelly V Corps Chief of Intelligence Spec. Gary Rhodes Crew Chief died: 2/23/93 - All were killed when their helicopter crashed in Weisbaden, Germany. No cause was ever determined. - V Corps figured prominently in the US Bosnia-Serbia peacekeeping operations, along with the carrier Roosevelt. These men, and 8 others associated with Clinton's visit to the Roosevelt all died within 4 months of each other. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Willis Clinton bodyguard Robert Williams Clinton bodyguard Conway LeBleu Clinton bodyguard Todd McKeehan Clinton bodyguard died: 2/28/93 - "executed" by gunfire in the Waco, Texas assault on the Branch Davidians. - All four were examined by a "private doctor" and died from nearly identical wounds to the left temple, so-called execution style. According to Linda Thompson, videotapes and other evidence indicates that none died from guns fired by Branch Davidians. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Five Navy aviators Clinton bodyguards/escorts (names not determined) died: 3/26/93 - all died in a crash of an E-2C Hawkeye in Italy. The crash occurred shortly after the plane was "waved off" from a landing attempt on the Carrier Roosevelt, due to a "foul deck". - All five men had been Clinton's escorts during Clinton's visit to the Roosevelt 2 weeks prior. Three other men, who had flown Clinton to the Roosevelt for that visit also died later in a helicopter crash. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Staff Sgt. Brian Haney Clinton bodyguard Marine Sgt. Tim Sabel Clinton bodyguard Maj. William Barkley Clinton bodyguard Capt. Scott Reynolds Clinton bodyguard died: 5/19/93 - All four men died when their helicopter crashed in the woods near Quantico, Va. - Reporters were barred from the site, and the head of the fire department responding to the crash described it by saying, "Security was tight," with "lots of Marines with guns." A videotape made by a firefighter was seized by the Marines. All four men had escorted Clinton on his flight to the carrier Roosevelt shortly before their deaths. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DEAD FUNDRAISERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- C. Victor Raiser II National Finance Co-Chairman, Clinton for President Campaign Montgomery Raiser Son of C. Victor Raiser II died: 7/30/92 - Both men died in a private plane crash in Alaska, en route to a fishing expedition. No cause was ever determined. Five others not connected to Clinton died with them. - DeeDee Meyers described Raiser as a "major player" in the Clinton organization. Victor raiser was also chairman of Mobile Telecomm Technologies Corp., whose subsidiary, SkyTel Corp. is an international paging company used by federal police agencies such as the FBI. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Tully Democratic National Committee Political Director died: 9/24/92 - Found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock Arkansas of "unknown causes." No autopsy allowed. - Described by Clinton as a "dear friend and trusted advisor. Tully authored several key strategies for Clinton and the party. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ed Willey Real Estate Attorney, Clinton Fund Raisor died: 11/30/93 - Died of gunshot to the head. Body found in deep woods in Virginia. Ruled a suicide, no note was found, nor was any motive identified. - Intimately involved in several Clinton fund raising events. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hershell Friday Attorney and Clinton fund raiser. died: ??? - Killed when his plane exploded. Cause unknown. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DEAD WITNESSES -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Parks Head of Clinton's Guberntorial security team in Little Rock. died: 9/26/93 - Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. - His family reported that shortly before his death, they were being followed by unknown persons, and their home had been broken into. Parks had been compiling a dossier on Clinton's illicit activities. The dossier was stolen. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James Bunch Influential Texan died: ??? - Died from a gunshot suicide, similar to Vince Foster. - Was discovered to have a "little black book" containing the names of many influential persons in Texas and Arkansas who visited certain prostitutes. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Wilson Former Washington DC Council member died: 5/18/93 - Found dead from an apparent hanging suicide - Suicide appears suspicious due to an unusual number of reports made to the media concerning his "depression". Was reported, but not proven, to have ties to the Whitewater affair. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Shelton Arkansas state trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson died: 6/94 - allegedly committed suicide by shooting himself at the gravesite of his fiancee - Officer Shelton was the fiancee of Kathy Ferguson, who was the ex-wife of Trooper Danny Ferguson. Kathy Ferguson also committed "suicide" 6/94 when she shot herself in her living room. Oddly, next to the body were her packed bags, as if she was expecting to be going somewhere. Danny Ferguson is a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in Paula Corbin Jones's sexual harassment suit. His ex-wife was reported as a corroborating witness for Ms. Jones. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kathy Furguson Ex-wife of Trooper Danny Furguson died: circa 5/94 - Died of a supposed gunshot suicide in her living room. There was a suicide note found by the body. However, friends were surprise at having noticed nothing wrong previously. And even more curious, found nearby were several packed suitcases, as if she expected she was going somewhere. She was the former wife (since changed her name) of Trooper Danny Ferguson, who is the Arkansas State Trooper alleged to have escorted Paula Corbin Jones to the hotel room for her alleged episode of sexual harrassment by then-Governor Clinton. Ferguson's wife was reported as a possible corroborating witness for Ms. Jones. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gandy Baugh Attorney representing Mr. Lassater in a case concerning alleged financial misconduct. died: circa 5/94 - Died in an alleged suicide by jumping out of a window of a multi-story building. - Mr. Lassater was a close associate of Gov. Clinton, and was later indicted on drug related charges, among other things, AND was pardoned by Clinton. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Ronald Rogers Dentist from Arkanasas Killed in plane crash as he was on his way to an interview with a "London Sunday Telegraph" reporter to reveal some Clinton dirt. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stanley Huggins Partner in Memphis law firm investigating Madison Guaranty. His 300 page report has never been released. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Florence Martin Accountant subcontracting to CIA related to the Barry Seal case. Dead of three gunshot wounds to the head. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Wilhite Wilhite was an associate of Mack McClarty's former firm. Wilhite died in a skiing accident on December 21, 1992. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DEAD WOMEN -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Suzanne Coleman : Had affair with Clinton when he was attorney general. Died of "suicide" with gunshot wound to the back of her head. No autopsy performed. Was pregnant at time of her death. Some say it was Clintons. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paula Grober Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf died: 12/9/92 - Died in a one-car accident with no known witnesses. Her body was thrown 33 feet from the car. A very attractive women, Paula traveled extensively with Clinton from 1978 until her death. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DEAD INVESTIGATORS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Wilcher Washington attorney investigating government corruption died: 6/22/93 - Found dead on a toilet in his Washington apartment. No cause of death was ever determined. - At the time of his death, he was investigating connections between the "October surprise" during the 1980 federal election campaign and drug and gun-running out of Mena, Arkansas, as well as the BATF assault on the Waco, Texas Branch Davidians. Was planning on producing a television documentary on his findings. He had delivered a 99-page affidavit to Janet Reno three weeks before his death. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Parnell Walker RTC investigator Mysteriously fell to his death from an apartment balcony. The same apartment which was alleged to have been a secret getaway which oster may have visited. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DEAD COMMERCE DEPARTMENT DEATHS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ron Brown Former Chairman, DNC; Commerce Secretary died: 5/3/96 - Ron Brown died along with 39 other people when the T-43 (a converted 737 used by the Air Force) carrying the group on a trip to Bosnia crashed while approaching the Dubrovnik airport. On the verge of being indicted and having stated publicly his willingness to make a deal with prosecutors, Ron Brown's death brought to an end the investigations into the Commerce Department. (NOTE: Also belongs under dead fundraisers) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Barbera Wise Commerce Department Staffer died: 11/29/96 - As the scandals continued to swirl around the Commerce Department, and most of all about John Huang, one of Huang's associates, Barbera Wise, was found dead in her locked office at the Department of Commerce, partially nude and covered with bruises. No cause of death has ever been announced. Oddly enough, following the discovery of her body, Bill Clinton made an unscheduled return to the White House from Camp David, claiming he needed a book of poetry in order to complete his inauguration speech. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles Meissner Assistant Secretary of Commerce for International Economic Policy. died: UNK - Following Ron Brown's death, John Huang was placed on a Commerce Department contract that allowed him to retain his security clearence by Charles Meissner. Shortly thereafter, Charles Meissner died in the crash of a small plane. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- THE HENRY IVES DEATHS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Ives & Don Henry Initial cause of death was reported to be the result of falling asleep on a railroad track in Arkansas on August 23, 1987. This ruling was reported by the State medical examiner Fahmy Malak. Later it was determined that Kevin died from a crushed skull prior to being placed on the tracks. Don had been stabbed in the back. Rumors indicate that they might have stumbled upon a Mena drug operation. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Keith Koney Keith had information on the Ives/Henry deaths. Died in a motorcycle accident in July 1988 with unconfirmed reports of a high speed car chase. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Keith McKaskle McKaskle has information on the Ives/Henry deaths. He was stabbed to death in November 1988. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gregory Collins Greg had information on the Ives/Henry deaths. He died from a gunshot wound to the face in January 1989. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Rhodes He had information on the deaths of Ives, Henry & McKaskle. His burned body was found in a trash dump in April 1989. He died of a gunshot wound to the head and there was some body mutilation, leading to the probably speculation that he was tortured prior to being killed. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James Milam Milam had information on the Ives & Henry deaths. He was decapitated. The state Medical examiner, Fahmy Malak, initially ruled death due to natural causes. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Winters Winters was a suspect in the deaths of Ives & Henry. He was killed in a "robbery" in July 1989 which was subsequently proven to be a setup. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jordan Kettleson Kettleson had information on the Ives & Henry deaths. He was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup in June 1990. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MISC DEATHS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stanley Heard Chairman, National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee Steve *****on - Counsel to Mr. Heard died: 9/10/93 - Both died in a plane crash outside Dulles airport, after their aircraft, rented after Heard's personal craft developed troubles, crashed while attempting an emergency landing after reporting a fire on board. - Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory council, also personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather, and brother. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Wilhite Vice Chairman, Arkla, Inc. died: 12/21/92 - Died in a one-person skiing accident. - Wilhite had extensive ties with Clinton and Mack McLarty, with whom he visited by telephone just hours before his death. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wounded or attempted murder: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary Johnson : Not dead, but beaten near death and left for dead. Had videotapes of Clinton breaking into Gennifer Flowers' apartment. His tapes were taken. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dennis Patrick : Court clerk. Had millions of dollars laundered through his account at Lasater & Co without his knowledge. Four attempts on his life. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- L.J. Davis : Reporter investigating Clinton scandals. Attacked at his hotel room in Little Rock. His notes were stolen. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Larry Nichols : Former official at ADFA and author of "The Clinton Chronicles." The man who broke many of the Clinton scandal stories. Several attempts on his life. If you want to e-mail Geoff Metcalf, click here. http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/397.html http://www.w3f.com/patriots/bodies.html http://www.zpub.com/un/un-bc-body.html "Anything easy ain't worth a damn." Woody Hayes (RIP) |
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Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engine intakes. |
I would like to add Admiral Jeremy Michael "Mike" Boorda, United States Navy, Chief of Naval Operations, dead from a shotgun blast to the chest. Ruled "suicide". Presumably because Newsweek Magazine hounded him about wearing an "unearned" device on his Navy Commendation Medal. Some PN somewhere neglected to add the combat "V" device for his Navy Commendation Medal (earned in combat operations) and verified by Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, United States Navy who awarded it to him.
I am amazed at the mechanics of suicide by shotgun blast to the chest. One side note is that this happened after Secretary of the Navy (and currently Virginia Senator) James Webb gave a speech alluding to "high ranking officers" in the Navy currying favor with the politicians at the expense of the sailors. It is very probable that he was referring to ADM Boorda among others. ADM Boorda died on May 16, 1996. Then there was William Colby, who died of "natural causes" on April 27, 1996. There is also a contention that he died in an "apparent boating accident" near his home. He was an expert boatsman and loved to go canoeing. The thing is that he rarely went canoeing at night. That is when he died of drowning and hypothermia. He was also an excellent swimmer. He was a former director of the CIA and raised a lot of sand about corruption in U.S. politics. He was found 20 yards from the canoe, which itself was less than 100 yards from the house. His house was unlocked. His computer and radio were both on and his dinner was on the table. There was also no sign of a life jacket anywhere to be found and he was in the habit of wearing it. Those need to be in that list. |
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Klaatu barada nikto! |
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/BODIES.html |
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Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engine intakes. |
Seth, the only conspiracies he will believe in are those which were purportedly contrived by the right.
I'm not saying there was a conspiracy. But the facts are compelling. If I were Mr. Coale, I would constantly be checking my six. |
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Don't forget the sage advice of:"Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer". Mr. Coale would do well to have a 360 degree field of fire. You never know who is out to get ya', 'til they get ya'. These are my opinions. Yours may differ. |
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Oh come on. Sheer coincidence. Doesn't every one have that many dead people surrounding them.
Just look at all the dead people that surround Karl Rove. Why there is... um well there is... hmmm. I'll have to go over to the daily kos and see if they have a list. Maybe MoveOn. And if I don't find a list that just proves that Rove is an evil genius. Know Your Enemy. Do not react to him. Make him react to you. |
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The Argument from Intimidation is a confession of intellectual impotence. |
Ah crap! I always thought natural causes meant a failed heart or something similar. Now I need to be aware of my head being removed 'naturally'. At the very least we might need to be aware of who is sitting next to us on a plane or helicopter and if they might be preparing to spill the beans on any *ahem* person of interest. |
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Come on PCM, isn't it "natural" to cease living after your head gets completely seperated from your body?  These are my opinions. Yours may differ. |
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Pete, I just learned a lot about William Colby on seth's link.  "Anything easy ain't worth a damn." Woody Hayes (RIP) |
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"List every dead person with even the most tenuous of connections to your subject. It doesn't matter how these people died, or how tangential they were to your subject's life. The longer the list, the more impressive it looks and the less likely anyone is to challenge it. By the time readers get to the bottom of the list, they'll be too weary to wonder what could possibly be relevant about the death of Clinton's mother's chiropractor." |
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"Trust no one... and keep your laser handy!" |
"Play word games. Make sure every death is presented as 'mysterious.' All accidental deaths are to be labeled as 'suspicious,' even though by definition accidents occur when something unexpected goes wrong. Every self-inflicted death discussed must include the phrase 'ruled a suicide' to imply just the opposite. When and autopsy contradicts a 'mysterious death' theory, dispute it; when none was performed because none was needed, claim that 'no autopsy was allowed.' Make liberal use of words such as 'allegedly' and 'supposedly' to dismiss facts you can't contradict with hard evidence." |
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