This oughta get some of you fired up. This guy was an illegal, he'll probably not only win (umm..this is NJ), but I'm sure he'll get a street named after him too.

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newjersey/ny-bc-...jul02,0,571639.story

oh gee another frivelious lawsuit...

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Originally posted by sethkonigsbergrn:
This oughta get some of you fired up. This guy was an illegal, he'll probably not only win (umm..this is NJ), but I'm sure he'll get a street named after him too.

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newjersey/ny-bc-...jul02,0,571639.story

Where did you hear that he immigrated illegally? It's not in the article.

Yawn.

Deport his rear. NOW.

Frankly, even as a layman, I don't see any merit in his case. What a maroon.

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Originally posted by SgtSchaeffersMom:
Yawn.

Deport his rear. NOW.

Frankly, even as a layman, I don't see any merit in his case. What a maroon.

Don't look now smart guy, but they already did.
Or did that part of the article not get past your eyeballs (like a lot of things seem to do...)

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Where did you hear that he immigrated illegally? It's not in the article.

I guess you missed this?

"This is an example of a larger problem that's going on in New Jersey _ the fact that state and local authorities feel the need to enforce immigration laws ,"

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Originally posted by Woody_in_La:

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Where did you hear that he immigrated illegally? It's not in the article.

I guess you missed this?

"This is an example of a larger problem that's going on in New Jersey _ the fact that state and local authorities feel the need to enforce immigration laws ,"

Oh my goodness...the state and local authorities feel a need to enforce our laws? The end is near....

It seems to me that the State of New Jersey didn't 'enforce' federal law - all they did was let the federal gov't know that someone was violating federal law. Let's say that there is an outstanding warrant for your arrest issued by the state of Arizona for violating state fish & game laws. You file a police brutality charge against a cop in New York City. They discover that you have an outstanding warrant and contact Arizona. NYPD didn't "enforce" Arizona law.

This guy simply wants a free pass back into the usa. What better way?

There are two questions that this article is talking about.

First, the quarral between members of the community and the Jersy Police Department. The illegal, filed a suit alledging excessive force.

The other question is his legal status, and apparently he has none...

So, as far as that goes, his suit against the STATE OF New Jersy has Zero effect on his legal status as an immigrant. No matter what occurs with his suit - his suit wont affect that.

He has a perfect right to sue. His immigration status does not affect that right. Now would his legal status changed if he won this suit and a thousand others.

Will he win his suit? I have no idea. That's why we have courts.

Dave

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Originally posted by Woody_in_La:

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Where did you hear that he immigrated illegally? It's not in the article.

I guess you missed this?

"This is an example of a larger problem that's going on in New Jersey _ the fact that state and local authorities feel the need to enforce immigration laws ,"

But that's not saying that the man himself was here illegally- that's a general statement regarding law enforcement at the state and local levels.

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Originally posted by sweetsuds:

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Originally posted by sethkonigsbergrn:
This oughta get some of you fired up. This guy was an illegal, he'll probably not only win (umm..this is NJ), but I'm sure he'll get a street named after him too.

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newjersey/ny-bc-...jul02,0,571639.story

Where did you hear that he immigrated illegally? It's not in the article.

How about the fact that he was deported.

While it is possible to deport a legal alien, there has to be a trial and an actual cause.

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Originally posted by thorin001:

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Originally posted by sweetsuds:

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Originally posted by sethkonigsbergrn:
This oughta get some of you fired up. This guy was an illegal, he'll probably not only win (umm..this is NJ), but I'm sure he'll get a street named after him too.

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newjersey/ny-bc-...jul02,0,571639.story

Where did you hear that he immigrated illegally? It's not in the article.

How about the fact that he was deported.

While it is possible to deport a legal alien, there has to be a trial and an actual cause.

And there's nothing to indicate that he actually immigrated illegally, or how and why he was deported. While it may be fun to project assumptions into a story to make it fit one's view of how things ought to be, it's not terribly informative.

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Originally posted by sweetsuds:

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Originally posted by thorin001:

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Originally posted by sweetsuds:

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Originally posted by sethkonigsbergrn:
This oughta get some of you fired up. This guy was an illegal, he'll probably not only win (umm..this is NJ), but I'm sure he'll get a street named after him too.

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newjersey/ny-bc-...jul02,0,571639.story

Where did you hear that he immigrated illegally? It's not in the article.

How about the fact that he was deported.

While it is possible to deport a legal alien, there has to be a trial and an actual cause.

And there's nothing to indicate that he actually immigrated illegally, or how and why he was deported. While it may be fun to project assumptions into a story to make it fit one's view of how things ought to be, it's not terribly informative.

No offense Sweet Suds, but I got the distinct impression from the story that he was an illegal. That they didn't actually "use" the word, doesn't change the context.

On the other hand, he can win his civil suit, which he and anyone else has a right to file, and even if he won, wouldn't change his status.

Dave

So did I. But I realized that distinct impressions are not fact.

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Originally posted by sweetsuds:
So did I. But I realized that distinct impressions are not fact.

Good. Where is the proof that he was here legally? Given the way our immagration system works there is very strong cir***stantial evidence that he was here illegally. What do you counter that with, aside from wishful thinking?

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Originally posted by thorin001:

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Originally posted by sweetsuds:
So did I. But I realized that distinct impressions are not fact.

Good. Where is the proof that he was here legally? Given the way our immagration system works there is very strong cir***stantial evidence that he was here illegally. What do you counter that with, aside from wishful thinking?

I'm not countering it- I'm saying we can't assume either way. Given the way our immigration system works, it's perfectly possible to deport someone who came and stayed here legally- one of my favorite chefs has not been seen by his wife for years thanks to such a process.

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Originally posted by sweetsuds:

I'm not countering it- I'm saying we can't assume either way. Given the way our immigration system works, it's perfectly possible to deport someone who came and stayed here legally- one of my favorite chefs has not been seen by his wife for years thanks to such a process.

While a legal immigrant is not a citizen, I personally have never heard of a case where they can just be deported without hearings, appeals, etc, etc.

Dave

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Originally posted by mmulder67:

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Originally posted by SgtSchaeffersMom:
Yawn.

Deport his rear. NOW.

Frankly, even as a layman, I don't see any merit in his case. What a maroon.

Don't look now smart guy, but they already did.
Or did that part of the article not get past your eyeballs (like a lot of things seem to do...)

Now, see, . . . there is absolutely no need for me to be perfect, because I have a fine specimen such as yourself looking out for me, always keeping me on the straight and narrow. . . .

And for that, you have my thanks.

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Originally posted by Grachus:

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Originally posted by sweetsuds:

I'm not countering it- I'm saying we can't assume either way. Given the way our immigration system works, it's perfectly possible to deport someone who came and stayed here legally- one of my favorite chefs has not been seen by his wife for years thanks to such a process.

While a legal immigrant is not a citizen, I personally have never heard of a case where they can just be deported without hearings, appeals, etc, etc.

Dave

In my friend's husband's case, there was a hearing- he just wasn't permitted to attend, and trying to conduct complex legal proceedings with do***ents being translated and faxed from a developing country isn't easy, cheap or quick. And getting an extension from the INS is like pulling teeth- from a hen. Basically, unless you've got loads of cash and made the right friends, it's quite easy to run afoul of the INS. I've seen several classmates hauled off campus for problems resulting from calendar conversions and the like.

In a civil suit, the defence has the right to depose the complaintant face to face, and viceversa.An d at trial, face to face testimony may be demanded. So, unless the Judge does the right thing and dismisses the case with prejudice as frivelous aqnd unfounded, he gets to come bacxk on a legal visa.

Making him a "winner" regardless of how the case comes out. Get a settlement/win the case, go home a very rich man.
lose, fade into the backround and stay for "amnisty" using another identity.

The judge needs to dismiss this one ASAP.

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Originally posted by sweetsuds:

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Originally posted by sethkonigsbergrn:
This oughta get some of you fired up. This guy was an illegal, he'll probably not only win (umm..this is NJ), but I'm sure he'll get a street named after him too.

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newjersey/ny-bc-...jul02,0,571639.story

Where did you hear that he immigrated illegally? It's not in the article.

It was on the local news and was reported on the radio NJ101.5

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Originally posted by sethkonigsbergrn:

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Originally posted by sweetsuds:

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Originally posted by sethkonigsbergrn:
This oughta get some of you fired up. This guy was an illegal, he'll probably not only win (umm..this is NJ), but I'm sure he'll get a street named after him too.

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newjersey/ny-bc-...jul02,0,571639.story

Where did you hear that he immigrated illegally? It's not in the article.

It was on the local news and was reported on the radio NJ101.5

So they explicitly stated that he came here illegally, or simply assumed it? I've noted that some often presume that any immigrant who's involved in any sort of fuss is here illegally.

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In my friend's husband's case, there was a hearing- he just wasn't permitted to attend, and trying to conduct complex legal proceedings with do***ents being translated and faxed from a developing country isn't easy, cheap or quick. And getting an extension from the INS is like pulling teeth- from a hen. Basically, unless you've got loads of cash and made the right friends, it's quite easy to run afoul of the INS. I've seen several classmates hauled off campus for problems resulting from calendar conversions and the like

Oh now, America has super secret police to wisk someone and to hid them from any communication. We know about you constant America is at fault ideas.