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I guess it will be interesting to see how they do. Good for the economy? We shall see.. |
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I like to fight fire... with gasoline...  |
Sure, good for the economy. If CA has incentive to develop new technology it could make it a hub for alternative energy. Decreasing its dependence on fossil fuels will certainly help the economy, especially at current prices.
Way to go CA, a leader once again! |
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California has one of the highest costs of living in the country. At present its green attitude results in some of the highest gas prices in the country.. Now its about to take a leap that will make the differential even greater. |
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A leader once again?   |
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Always On Warning |
Sure... gotta problem with that? If you do I suggest you dump whatever vehicle you are driving (Diesel or gas) if it was manufactured after 1985 and purchase an older model. Because if you drive anything newer... it has technology in it that was originally developed for California's strict emmission requirements. The Fed... as always a follower and never a leader or inovater, also mandates past California emmissions equipment to be on your car or truck... they are just about a decade behind California is all. Are you behind the times as well?   |
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CARB's word means nothing. They caved years ago after they mandated zero emission vehicles and were sued by GM and Chrysler. They didn't even go to court to fight it, they dropped the mandate.
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If you really believe that then you need to read some of the stuff on this site: http://www.arb.ca.gov/homepage.htm |
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Any specific one? |
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Funny you should mention that.....some states are considering adopting Ca's emission standards including my state. |
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Yes the dozens and dozens of STATE statutes on clean air, emissions, fuel adatives, vehicle emission standards, industrial emissions standards, etc.. |
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Always On Warning |
Excuse me but I am not seeing your point? Which one directly refutes the comments I made to you earlier? I know you do not care to believe or understand but EPA regulations "drive" Cal ARB's actions. and in some cases ARB exceeds EPA requirements because they also have the responsibility to prepare the state for the future populations. So I still do not understand what you are saying unless it is the fact that the state HAS an ARB so then by default it must be a "green" or enviro-nazi type of thing. Is that what you are saying? BTW: With over 700 lightning sparked wildfires in Northern California alone (and more expected from the weekend storm that is approaching) ARB has declared much of the Bay Area's air to be extremely unhealthy. Yesterday the reading for Alameda County was 143... where 70 is moderately bad. My son would be in the ER due to asthma if I had him out in that shoot yesterday. So I for one kinda LIKE that GREEN ARB because I have one single place to go for a reference... unless you also, perhaps believe that an ER room is the best place to find out about the air quality.  |
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Veteran Member |
I happen to love the state of California, and simply put, if you do not live here why should you care about what California does? I agree with Sea Witch and our State is the seventh larges economy in the world. Better than lets say Georgia.
Bryan |
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Submarine Warfare |
It's their perogative.
When the state you live in starts doing wacky stuff, then perhaps you'll have more room to complain. As for most Californians, you'll find that they agree with this. Woody Allen once said that any man who makes a pun should be 'drawn and quoted.' |
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I used to live there in the late 90's - 2002 (Marina Del Rey). I moved away though for a lot of reasons. Cost of living being one. The smog being another. Traffic of course was a factor. But taxes was the clincher. Never been disappointed in my decision. Although, I can say I miss the weather.. But thats about it. While Geoergia may not pay as well or have as many jobs it is a vastly better place to live and one does not need as much money to live well in the first place. As for whether I am concerned or not. No.. If California wants to export its major industries the rest of the US is bound to benefit.. I say go for it. |
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I think they thought the transistor and the PC were wacky stuff. While many may be in denial, many wackos in California will move on and bridge the gap to the next "big thing". |
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  It is the same ga dam crap I heard over and over again for the last 35 years! The only thing will happen is raising more taxes to be put in the General fund instead where it should be! So don't be surprise in the next five years you don't see anything come out of this!This message has been edited. Last edited by: SSGDuke53, |
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When they start taxing you more than you have to run your BBQ (emits carbon gas), then let's see you brag about their leadership!!! |
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It''s just the dingalings in Sacramento doing something that will play big on the TV news rather than working on passing the state budget which is why we send the goofy ***tards up there in the first place. Now they can go back to the real business of the legislature, lining up campaign $, selecting another state insect, bird, soil, weed, whatever.
There was a mandate for X percentage of all automobiles to be electric by some bygone date, didn't happen. If you threaten big business they will pay you bribes, duh!  |
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PSSSSSTTTTT! I gots a recent sneek peek at California's latest in low emissions technology, geared toward cleaner air and a big relief for cash-strapped gasoline buyers! Would you believe a giant rubber-band and 2 captive ground squirrels on a treadmill!
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