Military Journal Piece Says Scrap DADT

An article in one of the military's top journals argues for immediate repeal of "don't ask, don't tell."

An upcoming issue of Joint Force Quarterly, the Pentagon's top scholarly journal, will include an article that calls for an end to the ban on gays and lesbians serving openly in the military, reports The Boston Globe.

The piece, which is authored by Air Force colonel Om Prakash, charges that "the military is essentially forcing thousands of gay men and women to lead dishonest lives in an organization that emphasizes integrity as a fundamental tenet," according to the Globe.

Colonel Prakash argues that the Obama administration should forgo a study of "don't ask, don't tell" and simply move forward with lifting the ban.

"After a careful examination, there is no scientific evidence to support the claim that unit cohesion will be negatively affected if homosexuals serve openly," writes Prakash, who is now working in the office of Defense secretary Robert M. Gates. "Based on this research, it is not time for the administration to reexamine the issue; rather it is time for the administration to examine how to implement the repeal of the ban."

Read full article at...

>>>http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2009/09/30/Military_Journal_Piece_Scraps_Gay_Ban/

This issue is not going away until it is solved, and it is far past time to do that.

Amazing nobody has rebutted this article. I guess progress is being made.

No one cares.

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Reid Presses White House On DADT

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid sent letters to President Obama and Secretary Gates urging action on "don't ask, don't tell."

Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is turning up the heat on the White House and the Pentagon to take action on changing the military’s “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy of not allowing gay and lesbian service members to serve openly

Full article at...

>>>http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2009/10/Reid_Presses_White_House_on_DADT/

The Dems have been talking about this for some time now and we all know they have been the majority for years, yet, nothing changes...It is a dead topic as far as I am concerned, if it was going to be repealed it would have happened already. Even Mr. Reid ain't got what it takes to push a bill through regarding DADT, he is trying to make another leader do it instead.


Just because a small few see DADT as a problem, most like the policy as is, which does allow gays to serve, yet, keeps assaults, harassment, and homophobia somewhat contained.

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Just because a small few see DADT as a problem, most like the policy as is, which does allow gays to serve, yet, keeps assaults, harassment, and homophobia somewhat contained.

Exactly.

I think President Obama has enough on his political plate already. He is dealing with a grueling talk show circuit, getting the Olympics in Chicago, universal health care and that pesky McChrystal calling about troops or something.

Reid gets a hair up his arse about the DADT policy the next day after a night on the town with Barney Frank.

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Originally posted by IHAWKER:
Amazing nobody has rebutted this article. I guess progress is being made.

Give it some time... no good deed goes unpunished!

Never-the-less, it is remarkable, considering the source and the likelihood the joint chiefs have read it. Without them on board nothing is likely to change very fast... even though we depend on the politicos to make the changes.

As I have said all along, I am not expecting to see any significant changes in DADT until 2010, but I do expect serious change before 2012.

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Originally posted by IHAWKER:
As I have said all along, I am not expecting to see any significant changes in DADT until 2010, but I do expect serious change before 2012.

Keep on hoping, there are much bigger issues to deal with in today's bad economy and corrupt society...Whether or not gays can come out the closet in the military is near the bottom of the list based on what we have seen from the Dems since they took control a couple years ago.

Also, I don't think Obama is going to lead anything, he appears to have troubles in that area!

It's congress that needs to take the lead on this.

I think if we get rid of all gays and *****'s in our military we might stand a better chance of winning this war on terror. You see, Muslims do not like gays. It is against their beliefs, although millions of Muslims are in fact gay themselves. Therefore as long as we have gays in our military they will fight us. Once we get rid of them the Muslims will simply get tired of fighting us and go away.

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Originally posted by IHAWKER:
It's congress that needs to take the lead on this.

Ok, whatever, they have had years yet deliver nothing but attacks against Bush and spending all MY money!

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Originally posted by Duster6:
I think if we get rid of all gays and *****'s in our military we might stand a better chance of winning this war on terror. You see, Muslims do not like gays. It is against their beliefs, although millions of Muslims are in fact gay themselves. Therefore as long as we have gays in our military they will fight us. Once we get rid of them the Muslims will simply get tired of fighting us and go away.

That’s over the top dumb even for you Duster.

Nobody posted a rebuttal because it's an academic paper. I'm sure that it's well reasoned, but that doesn't mean that it will actually impact the policy at all. Sometimes these academic papers do lead to changes (important or not), but quite often they don't.

You have to keep it quiet, but here's your best option for getting the DADT law repealed: Some congressman proposes a nonbinding joint resolution showing America's appreciation for its troops. It receives overwhelming support, but still goes to reconciliation. In the reconciliation process, it's amended to become binding and repeal DADT, implement a single-payer health care system in America, move the capital to Chicago, and make DC a state.

Bada-boom, bada-bing. You gots what you want.

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Originally posted by TaxmanJim:
Nobody posted a rebuttal because it's an academic paper. I'm sure that it's well reasoned, but that doesn't mean that it will actually impact the policy at all. Sometimes these academic papers do lead to changes (important or not), but quite often they don't.

You have to keep it quiet, but here's your best option for getting the DADT law repealed: Some congressman proposes a nonbinding joint resolution showing America's appreciation for its troops. It receives overwhelming support, but still goes to reconciliation. In the reconciliation process, it's amended to become binding and repeal DADT, implement a single-payer health care system in America, move the capital to Chicago, and make DC a state.

Bada-boom, bada-bing. You gots what you want.

No thanks, Illinois wants to become a state too. To do that we want Chitown to become it's own state or sink into Lake Michigan, whichever comes first, we really don't give a damn.

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Originally posted by IHAWKER:
It's congress that needs to take the lead on this.

Yes, it is and the President has said as much on occasion after occasion. He doesn't want a temporary "fix" for this issue. It has to be decided definitively and permanently by Congress. I anticipate that this will be addressed next year once we get healthcare reform passed. It helps if we continue to call our representatives on this issue.

For those really interested in the topic, you can find the actual essay referred to in the article at the OP's link ... here:

http://www.ndu.edu/inss/Press/jfq_pages/editions/i55/14.pdf

It is a pretty well written essay.

Here is a better article on the topic as well:

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Col. Om Prakash, now on the staff of Defense Secretary Robert Gates, won honors for the essay, which he wrote early this year while he was a student at the National War College. It won the 2009 Secretary of Defense National Security Essay competition and is published in the October issue of Joint Force Quarterly.

Titled "The Efficacy of 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell,' " the seven-page piece noted that both U.S. society and the military have changed since the law prohibiting gay service in the military was passed by Congress in 1993. The law mandates discharging any military personnel who declare themselves to be gay or when there is credible evidence they have participated in a homosexual act.

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http://www.military.com/NewsCo...13319,202220,00.html

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:

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Originally posted by IHAWKER:
It's congress that needs to take the lead on this.

Yes, it is and the President has said as much on occasion after occasion. He doesn't want a temporary "fix" for this issue. It has to be decided definitively and permanently by Congress. I anticipate that this will be addressed next year once we get healthcare reform passed. It helps if we continue to call our representatives on this issue.

Don't hold your breath for DADT to be repealed and for what healthcare you think is going to get passed to actually happen, there is a lot of debate and compromise that still needs to happen in Congress before any of the above can be resolved and passed into law!


My guess is healthcare reform will take place with NO public option (to include no backdoor) as well as no forced taxes, fines, or imprisonment for failure to comply, as well as I think if they were going to have done something with the backburner DADT it would have been done already in the multiple years they have had to make things happen.


I hate to burst your bubble, but there really is no rush, since Gays are allowed to serve already!

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Originally posted by Duster6:
I think if we get rid of all gays and *****'s in our military we might stand a better chance of winning this war on terror. You see, Muslims do not like gays. It is against their beliefs, although millions of Muslims are in fact gay themselves. Therefore as long as we have gays in our military they will fight us. Once we get rid of them the Muslims will simply get tired of fighting us and go away.

And I think if we get rid of ignorant bigots from the military we stand a better chance of winning the war on terror.

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Originally posted by Duster6:
I think if we get rid of all gays and *****'s in our military we might stand a better chance of winning this war on terror. You see, Muslims do not like gays. It is against their beliefs, although millions of Muslims are in fact gay themselves. Therefore as long as we have gays in our military they will fight us. Once we get rid of them the Muslims will simply get tired of fighting us and go away.

I agree 100%

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Originally posted by mnoble1066:

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Originally posted by Duster6:
I think if we get rid of all gays and *****'s in our military we might stand a better chance of winning this war on terror.

You see, Muslims do not like gays.

It is against their beliefs, although millions of Muslims are in fact gay themselves.

Therefore as long as we have gays in our military they will fight us.

Once we get rid of them the Muslims will simply get tired of fighting us and go away.

I agree 100%

DUSTER . . . You magnificent rascal ! ! !

Please, don't change a thing, stay just the way you are . . . All The Way

Get rid of the females in the military, too. I'm sure the Muslims have a low view of women as well.
How about capitalists. Do they like capitalists?
What else should we get rid of so we can win? We got rid of GWB... that was a big plus, too.

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Originally posted by ELLIOTT1980:

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Originally posted by mnoble1066:

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Originally posted by Duster6:
I think if we get rid of all gays and *****'s in our military we might stand a better chance of winning this war on terror.

You see, Muslims do not like gays.

It is against their beliefs, although millions of Muslims are in fact gay themselves.

Therefore as long as we have gays in our military they will fight us.

Once we get rid of them the Muslims will simply get tired of fighting us and go away.

I agree 100%

DUSTER . . . You magnificent rascal ! ! !

Please, don't change a thing, stay just the way you are . . . All The Way

This was pretty awesome. Two simultaneous fish...

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Originally posted by Bleah:

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Originally posted by ELLIOTT1980:

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Originally posted by mnoble1066:

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Originally posted by Duster6:
I think if we get rid of all gays and *****'s in our military we might stand a better chance of winning this war on terror.

You see, Muslims do not like gays.

It is against their beliefs, although millions of Muslims are in fact gay themselves.

Therefore as long as we have gays in our military they will fight us.

Once we get rid of them the Muslims will simply get tired of fighting us and go away.

I agree 100%

DUSTER . . . You magnificent rascal ! ! !

Please, don't change a thing, stay just the way you are . . . All The Way

This was pretty awesome. Two simultaneous fish...

I am not your damn fish.

Awww, did your panties bunch when you realized Duster was a little less serious than you?

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Originally posted by Bleah:
Awww, did your panties bunch when you realized Duster was a little less serious than you?

Bleah I take no offense from your tone, I understand the origination.

I knew ole Duster was being the way he is... I damn well know the way you are...

Isn't there another site for you to go to type sweet things to instead of bothering those here that are not PC...

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Originally posted by I_M_Qwerty:
For those really interested in the topic, you can find the actual essay referred to in the article at the OP's link ... here:

http://www.ndu.edu/inss/Press/jfq_pages/editions/i55/14.pdf

It is a pretty well written essay.

Here is a better article on the topic as well:

quote:

Col. Om Prakash, now on the staff of Defense Secretary Robert Gates, won honors for the essay, which he wrote early this year while he was a student at the National War College. It won the 2009 Secretary of Defense National Security Essay competition and is published in the October issue of Joint Force Quarterly.

Titled "The Efficacy of 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell,' " the seven-page piece noted that both U.S. society and the military have changed since the law prohibiting gay service in the military was passed by Congress in 1993. The law mandates discharging any military personnel who declare themselves to be gay or when there is credible evidence they have participated in a homosexual act.

<more>

http://www.military.com/NewsCo...13319,202220,00.html

*bump

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Originally posted by Bleah:
Awww, did your panties bunch when you realized Duster was a little less serious than you?

Normal men do not wear "panties". We wear underwear befitting for men.