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States trying to pass this legislature are Republican states and are just trying to dilute the traditionally Democratic voting bloc consisting of minorities, poor, and elderly...the people who generally do not have the kinds of proof of identity that this kind of legislation is demanding. QUOTE]

Dont give me that lame line. You pretty much need some sort of picture id to take a **** these days. Your saying the elderly minorities and the poor dont need picture id for bank accounts or welfare or any job, pretty much have to have an id to function these days.

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Originally posted by RRR52:
The jackasses, guided by marxist and socialist doctrine, seek all the illegal voters they can. The idea has nothing to do with justice or respect for rule of law. It has only to do with creating chaos by which weak-minded slaves, not citizens, will meekly succumb to the imploring non-leaders of the crisis du jour for further control of all aspects Americans' lives.

you still say "Red China" doncha? or is it ChiComms?

well, well. Another leftist who has little knowledge of that which he comments, attempting to seem informed, but failing miserably when confronted by those who know the score.

Been to China lately, bub? How much communicating do you accomplish with professionals in China? If no or none, stifle it.

The typical lack of logic and absurdity of the leftist fools and knaves: "Duh, you say something I don't really fathom, but I think I don't like it, so I'll try to act intelligent by positing something that I will fruitlessly try to make reflect badly on you for a totally unrelated matter. I'm too oblivious to conceive and communicate something that proves why voters should not have to identify who they are and that they have the right to exercise citizens' rights, so I'll respond in some non sequitur manner and show how poorly informed I am." Thus speaketh the loons of the left.

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Originally posted by WhitehullOS:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by skinman13:

States trying to pass this legislature are Republican states and are just trying to dilute the traditionally Democratic voting bloc consisting of minorities, poor, and elderly...the people who generally do not have the kinds of proof of identity that this kind of legislation is demanding. QUOTE]

Dont give me that lame line. You pretty much need some sort of picture id to take a **** these days. Your saying the elderly minorities and the poor dont need picture id for bank accounts or welfare or any job, pretty much have to have an id to function these days.

Wife works in a local bank most of the customers are elderly and minorities, guess what, they have ID and dont have a pot to pizz in.

That is a BS attempt by the left to keep voter fraud happening.


And GA as other states said they would provide it for free.


Checkmate....

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Originally posted by GunnyRet03:

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Originally posted by WhitehullOS:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by skinman13:

States trying to pass this legislature are Republican states and are just trying to dilute the traditionally Democratic voting bloc consisting of minorities, poor, and elderly...the people who generally do not have the kinds of proof of identity that this kind of legislation is demanding. QUOTE]

Dont give me that lame line. You pretty much need some sort of picture id to take a **** these days. Your saying the elderly minorities and the poor dont need picture id for bank accounts or welfare or any job, pretty much have to have an id to function these days.

Wife works in a local bank most of the customers are elderly and minorities, guess what, they have ID and dont have a pot to pizz in.

That is a BS attempt by the left to keep voter fraud happening.


And GA as other states said they would provide it for free.


Checkmate....

I have not said that no one should be required to prove their eligibility to vote when they register, nor show some form of ID such as their voter registration card or a utility bill when they go to vote. That is a no-brainer. What this is all about is requiring a state issued photo ID card in addition to another form of ID such as the voter registration card.

Having photo identification of any kind, let alone in your possession, is not required by law in any state, nor is having a bank account. Having to produce a photo ID to conduct bank transactions is a requirement of doing business with a private entity, however, voting is not conducting a private business transaction and being required to show two forms of ID is not a legitimate reason to deny anyone their Constitutional right to vote.

I keep asking where is the voter fraud that is necessitating this kind of restrictive legislation? Still, there has been no instances of rampant voter fraud either presented or proved by these hard-line rightists who are seeking to deny some American citizens their right to vote by passing such nonsensical and resource wasting legislation...Providing proof of citizenship and right to vote is required to register. The Republican led push to require photo ID to vote is and has always been all about attempts at limiting the numbers of certain blocs of traditional Democrat voters access to the polls and nothing more.

PS...learn how to play chess before declaring checkmate.

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Originally posted by skinman13:

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Originally posted by GunnyRet03:

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Originally posted by WhitehullOS:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by skinman13:

States trying to pass this legislature are Republican states and are just trying to dilute the traditionally Democratic voting bloc consisting of minorities, poor, and elderly...the people who generally do not have the kinds of proof of identity that this kind of legislation is demanding. QUOTE]

Dont give me that lame line. You pretty much need some sort of picture id to take a **** these days. Your saying the elderly minorities and the poor dont need picture id for bank accounts or welfare or any job, pretty much have to have an id to function these days.

Wife works in a local bank most of the customers are elderly and minorities, guess what, they have ID and dont have a pot to pizz in.

That is a BS attempt by the left to keep voter fraud happening.


And GA as other states said they would provide it for free.


Checkmate....

I have not said that no one should be required to prove their eligibility to vote when they register, nor show some form of ID such as their voter registration card or a utility bill when they go to vote. That is a no-brainer. What this is all about is requiring a state issued photo ID card in addition to another form of ID such as the voter registration card.

Having photo identification of any kind, let alone in your possession, is not required by law in any state, nor is having a bank account. Having to produce a photo ID to conduct bank transactions is a requirement of doing business with a private entity, however, voting is not conducting a private business transaction and being required to show two forms of ID is not a legitimate reason to deny anyone their Constitutional right to vote.

I keep asking where is the voter fraud that is necessitating this kind of restrictive legislation? Still, there has been no instances of rampant voter fraud either presented or proved by these hard-line rightists who are seeking to deny some American citizens their right to vote by passing such nonsensical and resource wasting legislation...Providing proof of citizenship and right to vote is required to register. The Republican led push to require photo ID to vote is and has always been all about attempts at limiting the numbers of certain blocs of traditional Democrat voters access to the polls and nothing more.

PS...learn how to play chess before declaring checkmate.

Then no need to have a picture ID for SAT/ACT type testing either?

Or drinking, or buying a house, or many other things that you must prove your identity with.

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Originally posted by aggie_swife:

Then no need to have a picture ID for SAT/ACT type testing either?

Choosing to take an exam to get into a college or university is NOT the same thing as participating in the democratic process by exercising the right to vote.

Apples and oranges...

BTW, I never took a SAT/ACT test but I vote in every school board, local, state, and national election...and I have NEVER been required to show anything other than my voter registration card or another form of ID if I do not have that.

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Originally posted by aggie_swife:

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Originally posted by skinman13:

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Originally posted by GunnyRet03:

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Originally posted by WhitehullOS:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by skinman13:

States trying to pass this legislature are Republican states and are just trying to dilute the traditionally Democratic voting bloc consisting of minorities, poor, and elderly...the people who generally do not have the kinds of proof of identity that this kind of legislation is demanding. QUOTE]

Dont give me that lame line. You pretty much need some sort of picture id to take a **** these days. Your saying the elderly minorities and the poor dont need picture id for bank accounts or welfare or any job, pretty much have to have an id to function these days.

Wife works in a local bank most of the customers are elderly and minorities, guess what, they have ID and dont have a pot to pizz in.

That is a BS attempt by the left to keep voter fraud happening.


And GA as other states said they would provide it for free.


Checkmate....

I have not said that no one should be required to prove their eligibility to vote when they register, nor show some form of ID such as their voter registration card or a utility bill when they go to vote. That is a no-brainer. What this is all about is requiring a state issued photo ID card in addition to another form of ID such as the voter registration card.

Having photo identification of any kind, let alone in your possession, is not required by law in any state, nor is having a bank account. Having to produce a photo ID to conduct bank transactions is a requirement of doing business with a private entity, however, voting is not conducting a private business transaction and being required to show two forms of ID is not a legitimate reason to deny anyone their Constitutional right to vote.

I keep asking where is the voter fraud that is necessitating this kind of restrictive legislation? Still, there has been no instances of rampant voter fraud either presented or proved by these hard-line rightists who are seeking to deny some American citizens their right to vote by passing such nonsensical and resource wasting legislation...Providing proof of citizenship and right to vote is required to register. The Republican led push to require photo ID to vote is and has always been all about attempts at limiting the numbers of certain blocs of traditional Democrat voters access to the polls and nothing more.

PS...learn how to play chess before declaring checkmate.

Then no need to have a picture ID for SAT/ACT type testing either?

Apples and oranges...

How so?

see the above edited post.

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Originally posted by skinman13:

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Originally posted by aggie_swife:

Then no need to have a picture ID for SAT/ACT type testing either?

Choosing to take an exam to get into a college or university is NOT the same thing as participating in the democratic process by exercising the right to vote.

Apples and oranges...

BTW, I never took a SAT/ACT test but I vote in every school board, local, state, and national election...and I have NEVER been required to show anything other than my voter registration card or another form of ID if I do not have that.

REALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am amazed.

How did you get into college without the SAT/ACT or some type of test?

What is the other form of id that you show to vote? Though it is not hard to get to vote.

What did you use to take the professional development test for your teacher certification? They require two forms of identification including a picture id. College id won't work.

And did you also buy a car and get insurance without a driver's license, too?

I didn't say I didn't take an entrance test, just not the SAT/ACT...

The last time I voted I did not have my voter registration card with me...I used my TDL, I signed my name on the roster, and I voted. If I had not had my TDL I could have used my electricity bill, my M.U.D. bill, my telephone bill...any approved document that shows my name and address.

Comparing teaching and driving to voting is comparing unlike situations. Paying a fee to take a test to become a teacher is not part of the democrat process guaranteed by the US Constitution, it is a privilege. To earn that privilege, I demonstrated I was qualified and I paid the fees and passed the tests. Voting is not something I pay to do, it is an action that I am obligated to do as an American citizen. Unlike becoming certified to be a teacher, it is not a privilege to be bought by paying fees and jumping through hoops. Same with driving...it is not an obligation or a right, it is a privilege that has has a dollar amount.

The only way voting rights and the privileges you are equating to voting would be to limit voting to only those citizens who must pay to vote...and this is exactly what this kind of legislation is doing. Although the claim has been made that Georgia will provide the required ID for free, the question remains will the state of Georgia pay someone for their time to go stand in line and get this ID? Will they come to the citizen if the citizen's home if the citizen cannot get to the place where the ID is applied for and the photo taken?


And, the real issue here that conservatives refuse to answer is that since there is no real voter fraud going on that has ever affected the outcome of an election in modern history to deal with, then why is any of this even necessary? I think it is because conservatives fear that voter fraud might happen and that might put a Democrat in office and not a Republican...If this is not so, then why are they pushing unnecessary legislation in the first place? Why is this a partisan issue? Why does it all so neatly align with the xenophobia currently gripping neoconservatives?

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Originally posted by skinman13:
I didn't say I didn't take an entrance test, just not the SAT/ACT...

Again, you are comparing apples to oranges. Becoming a teacher is not part of the democrat process guaranteed by the US Constitution, it is a right, it is something I am obligated to do as an American citizen it is not a privilege to be bought by jumping through hoops to do. Same with driving...it is not an obligation or a right, it is a privilege.

The only way voting rights and the privileges you are equating to voting would be to limit voting to only those citizens who must pay to vote...and this is exactly what this kind of legislation is doing.

The claim has been made that Georgia will provide the required ID for free. Will the state of Georgia pay someone for their time to go stand in line and get this ID? Will they come to the citizen if the citizen cannot get to the place where the ID is applied for and the photo taken?


And, since there is no voter fraud going on to deal with, why is any of this even necessary? I think it is because conservatives fear that voter fraud might happen and that might put a Democrat in office and not a Republican...If this is not so, then why are they pushing unnecessary legislation in the first place?

Most of your point is moot. The same thing can be said about voting. Yet folks usually need to find their own way to the voting polls.

Georgia was not trying to make it so only folks that pay could vote, this is disengeuious at the least, a bold face lie at the most. There were doing what they thought was the right thing by keeping folks that should not be allowed to vote from voting.

I find it amazing that if the other guy had won the election, most of you folks on here would be inline with this legislation, but cause "your guy" won, now it's no good.

Yes people do need to get to the polls, and conservatives screamed loudly when community action groups transported eligible voters to the polls. When political groups initiated and conducted voter registration drives and other Get Out and Vote activities that typically target Democrat voters who would not otherwise be able to exercise their right to vote...When local and state governments included voter registration with drivers licenses renewal notices and other documents.

Activities like these bring out traditionally Democrat voters and that is why it is not the Democrats trying to regulate it, it is Republicans who do not benefit from it who are behind the move to create obstacles to voting.

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Originally posted by skinman13:
Yes people do need to get to the polls, and conservatives screamed loudly when community action groups transported eligible voters to the polls. When political groups initiated and conducted voter registration drives and other Get Out and Vote activities that typically target Democrat voters who would not otherwise be able to exercise their right to vote...When local and state governments included voter registration with drivers licenses renewal notices and other documents.

Activities like these bring out traditionally Democrat voters and that is why it is not the Democrats trying to regulate it, it is Republicans who do not benefit from it who are behind the move to create obstacles to voting.

IMO, anyone that votes should have a picture ID, period. It keeps voter fraud from happening. People not able to prove their identity, shouldn't be allowed to vote.

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Originally posted by skinman13:
Yes people do need to get to the polls, and conservatives screamed loudly when community action groups transported eligible voters to the polls. When political groups initiated and conducted voter registration drives and other Get Out and Vote activities that typically target Democrat voters who would not otherwise be able to exercise their right to vote...When local and state governments included voter registration with drivers licenses renewal notices and other documents.

Activities like these bring out traditionally Democrat voters and that is why it is not the Democrats trying to regulate it, it is Republicans who do not benefit from it who are behind the move to create obstacles to voting.

IMO, anyone that votes should have a picture ID, period. It keeps voter fraud from happening. People not able to prove their identity, shouldn't be allowed to vote.

WHAT VOTER FRAUD???

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Originally posted by skinman13:
Yes people do need to get to the polls, and conservatives screamed loudly when community action groups transported eligible voters to the polls. When political groups initiated and conducted voter registration drives and other Get Out and Vote activities that typically target Democrat voters who would not otherwise be able to exercise their right to vote...When local and state governments included voter registration with drivers licenses renewal notices and other documents.

Activities like these bring out traditionally Democrat voters and that is why it is not the Democrats trying to regulate it, it is Republicans who do not benefit from it who are behind the move to create obstacles to voting.

IMO, anyone that votes should have a picture ID, period. It keeps voter fraud from happening. People not able to prove their identity, shouldn't be allowed to vote.

WHAT VOTER FRAUD???

Dude, how can voter fraud be proven if you don't need an ID to prove who you are. LOL, it's a circular arguement.

It would be like you asking me to prove something is happening, then me telling you to prove that it isn't.

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Originally posted by skinman13:

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Originally posted by L0A1:

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Originally posted by skinman13:
Yes people do need to get to the polls, and conservatives screamed loudly when community action groups transported eligible voters to the polls. When political groups initiated and conducted voter registration drives and other Get Out and Vote activities that typically target Democrat voters who would not otherwise be able to exercise their right to vote...When local and state governments included voter registration with drivers licenses renewal notices and other documents.

Activities like these bring out traditionally Democrat voters and that is why it is not the Democrats trying to regulate it, it is Republicans who do not benefit from it who are behind the move to create obstacles to voting.

IMO, anyone that votes should have a picture ID, period. It keeps voter fraud from happening. People not able to prove their identity, shouldn't be allowed to vote.

WHAT VOTER FRAUD???

Dude, how can voter fraud be proven if you don't need an ID to prove who you are. LOL, it's a circular arguement.

It would be like you asking me to prove something is happening, then me telling you to prove that it isn't.

Dude, conservative posters keep claiming voter fraud and I keep asking them what voter fraud are they referring to that requires spending the time and energy on pushing passing this kind of legislation while ignoring other issues that are on the floor?

What you and others are doing are admitting that there is no proof to present and are only trying to deflect attention from the fact that there IS NO voter fraud problem to address by this legislation and therefore photo ID to vote legislation is not needed...

So, if further restrictions on voting is not needed because there is no voter fraud problem to address, then why are the Republicans spending so much time and energy on passing this voter restriction legislation and the Democrats are spending so much time and energy fighting it? IOW, would conservative politicians keep pushing such a divisive partisan issue unless the Republican party is going to benefit from its passage?

And, what is this benefit going to be except for decreasing the Democrat voter numbers which increases Republican chances to win elections?

Also, why won't conservatives answer this question without the smokescreen answers?

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Originally posted by skinman13:
Yes people do need to get to the polls, and conservatives screamed loudly when community action groups transported eligible voters to the polls. When political groups initiated and conducted voter registration drives and other Get Out and Vote activities that typically target Democrat voters who would not otherwise be able to exercise their right to vote...When local and state governments included voter registration with drivers licenses renewal notices and other documents.

Activities like these bring out traditionally Democrat voters and that is why it is not the Democrats trying to regulate it, it is Republicans who do not benefit from it who are behind the move to create obstacles to voting.

IMO, anyone that votes should have a picture ID, period. It keeps voter fraud from happening. People not able to prove their identity, shouldn't be allowed to vote.

WHAT VOTER FRAUD???

Dude, how can voter fraud be proven if you don't need an ID to prove who you are. LOL, it's a circular arguement.

It would be like you asking me to prove something is happening, then me telling you to prove that it isn't.

Dude, conservative posters keep claiming voter fraud and I keep asking them what voter fraud are they referring to that requires spending the time and energy on pushing passing this kind of legislation while ignoring other issues that are on the floor?

What you and others are doing are admitting that there is no proof to present and are only trying to deflect attention from the fact that there IS NO voter fraud problem to address by this legislation and therefore photo ID to vote legislation is not needed...

Don't try and put my in a group. I have never said there was voter fraud, as a matter of fact, during one of the Hate Acorn threads, I specifically corrected a few folks posting about voter fraud and stated they were being investigated for voter REGISTRATION fraud.

So, if further restrictions on voting is not needed because there is no voter fraud problem to address, then why are the Republicans spending so much time and energy on passing this voter restriction legislation and the Democrats are spending so much time and energy fighting it? IOW, why is it a divisive partisan issue if one party is going to benefit from its passage?

How is requiring a picture ID restrictive? If they were charging for it, yes it would be. However they were offering it for free. There is no restirctions there.

And, why won't conservatives answer this question?

I can't speak for conservatives, I can only issue my own view.

If there is no voter fraud attributed to the current system, then why does it need changing?

Simple question...

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Originally posted by skinman13:
If there is no voter fraud attributed to the current system, then why does it need changing?

Simple question...

That's like saying if it aint broke why fix it.

I understand where you are comming from, however just because they can't prove there isn't voter fraud, doesn't mean it isn't happening on either side.

I would feel better about it if it was past. That way I know illegals are not voting. People are not traveling from state to state to vote, etc. Why wouldn't you? Are you worried it might hurt your party? If so, you may want to think about the country and not one political party or the other. I am not arrogant enough to try and say one side or the other is doing something illegal. However, I am all for checks and balances for our Voting system to ensure that only folks allowed to vote can.