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People are following the law when they provide the necessary proof of citizenship when they register. They provide their voter registration card to vote. If they do not have their voter registration card, then there are other acceptable forms of identification. That is the way it has been for a long time and it works, and since there is no systematic voter fraud happening, then why is the right getting so xenophobic? Illegal immigrants are not registering to vote and are not voting...these people are staying as far away from things like this as possible so as not to be found out.

What rock have you been living under?
They are hiding? What about the demonstrations not too long ago taking off work and protesting in the streets? Illegal aliens protesting out in the open…

Nancy fancy pants Pelosi says raids need to stop. Free medical. Laughable comment of yours.

You like to harp on the issue of "rights". I concur...it should be protected as a right. I have the right to vote, however I have the obligation to earn that right by following the rules set forth to prove I am a legal citizen. So your rights are based on you as an individual having to do something to keep that right.

It wasn't too long ago where it was very limited on who could vote. Things changed, laws were passed. With that comes the responsibility as an American citizen.

The mere chance of illegal aliens being able to vote is scary to me. Elections are fortunately our way of revolting. So once again, the issue is political. Two bad both sides (the majority of the elected) are against keeping our nation sovereign...

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Originally posted by skinman13:

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Originally posted by threerings:
Voting is a right of U.S. citizens.
Again, I'm not sure why the blowup here. I need an ID to use my ATM card..I need an ID to enter a military base...I need an ID if I'm pulled over by the police..

Again I'm betting 90% of voters drive to the polls. That 90% should easily produce an ID, right?

Dont try to cloud this in a voters rights issue. It clearly is NOT. What it is, is just another attack on our system in an effort to support illegals. This is just another attack on people who do the right thing and follow the law.

You just don't get it...you are trying to use apples to demonstrate oranges.

Using an ATM card is a privilege. Driving is a privilege. Restricting entry onto a military base is neither a right nor privilege but a matter of security.

Voting is a RIGHT!

So what if 90% of voters drive to the polls, what about the other 10%? Should they be denied their RIGHT to vote because they do not hold a state driver's license as you are implying?

And, why are you trying to obfuscate this issue into one about anything BUT voter's rights when it clearly IS about voter's rights? This is not another attack in support of anything but further restricting some citizens' RIGHT to vote without any unnecessary restrictions.

People are following the law when they provide the necessary proof of citizenship when they register. They provide their voter registration card to vote. If they do not have their voter registration card, then there are other acceptable forms of identification. That is the way it has been for a long time and it works, and since there is no systematic voter fraud happening, then why is the right getting so xenophobic? Illegal immigrants are not registering to vote and are not voting...these people are staying as far away from things like this as possible so as not to be found out.

So again I ask, if there is no problem with voter fraud, and illegals certainly are not registering or voting, and since restrictive laws like this clearly have been proved to have more effect at limiting the liberal and Democrat voting bloc than fighting voter fraud, and are being pushed by rightists in the GOP, then how can this NOT be about one party trying to manipulate the vote to stay in power?

Hey Skinman, I am a Non-Concur here. Voting is not a right; it’s a privilege for those who have taken the steps to be legitimate voters. Rights cannot be taken away, privileges can. Ask the 4.7 million convicted felons in the United States who cannot vote. I mean sure, they can vote, but they will get this little postcard in the mail shortly after saying it was tossed from the count and give them a number to call for further information. Usually it’s the County Clerk’s Office.

C.R.

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Originally posted by skinman13:

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Originally posted by threerings:
Voting is a right of U.S. citizens.
Again, I'm not sure why the blowup here. I need an ID to use my ATM card..I need an ID to enter a military base...I need an ID if I'm pulled over by the police..

Again I'm betting 90% of voters drive to the polls. That 90% should easily produce an ID, right?

Dont try to cloud this in a voters rights issue. It clearly is NOT. What it is, is just another attack on our system in an effort to support illegals. This is just another attack on people who do the right thing and follow the law.

You just don't get it...you are trying to use apples to demonstrate oranges.

Using an ATM card is a privilege. Driving is a privilege. Restricting entry onto a military base is neither a right nor privilege but a matter of security.

Voting is a RIGHT! Thanks for civics lesson

So what if 90% of voters drive to the polls, what about the other 10%? Should they be denied their RIGHT to vote because they do not hold a state driver's license as you are implying? States I have lived in issue ID cards that are not driver's licenses. Question - what do these people do when they want to use a credit card or cash a check or buy a beer?

And, why are you trying to obfuscate this issue into one about anything BUT voter's rights when it clearly IS about voter's rights? This is not another attack in support of anything but further restricting some citizens' RIGHT to vote without any unnecessary restrictions. Position is not to deny citizens their right to vote, but to verify who they are.

People are following the law when they provide the necessary proof of citizenship when they register. Like the voter/motor laws? Can register just y renewing your drivers license? Of course, you do not need to be a US citizen to get one.... They provide their voter registration card to vote. Not in Maryland. Sent it in by mail and didn't have to show it when I voted. Come to think of it, can not recall showing any ID in any state I have voted in.If they do not have their voter registration card, then there are other acceptable forms of identification. That is the way it has been for a long time and it works, and since there is no systematic voter fraud happening, then why is the right getting so xenophobic? Illegal immigrants are not registering to vote and are not voting...these people are staying as far away from things like this as possible so as not to be found out. And you know this as fact how?

So again I ask, if there is no problem with voter fraud, and illegals certainly are not registering or voting, and since restrictive laws like this clearly have been proved to have more effect at limiting the liberal and Democrat voting bloc than fighting voter fraud, and are being pushed by rightists in the GOP, then how can this NOT be about one party trying to manipulate the vote to stay in power?

Because it is not. Just because you declare there is no voter fraud doe not mean it is true. Wanting to make sure everyine who is authorized votes once and under the proper name isn't limiting voter turnout,, disenfranchisment, or anything else. Why do you have such a hard time with requiring people show ID?

If this hurts the jackasses more than the pachyderms, then it is unequivocal that jackass polyticks is based on freedom to deceive, freedom from honesty, freedom to underhandedly take that which is not one's own.

Are the jackass voter ranks comprised of so many flakes that asking them to prove who the hell they are runs them off? Shame on them, if so.

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Originally posted by sw614:
<sbip> Why do you have such a hard time with requiring people show ID? [/color]

Why are you having such a hard time understanding that there is no voter fraud going on and such requirements are not necessary, and that current legislation requiring ID other than voter registration cards to vote is knee-jerk xenophobic motivated?

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Originally posted by skinman13:

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Originally posted by sw614:
<sbip> Why do you have such a hard time with requiring people show ID? [/color]

Why are you having such a hard time understanding that there is no voter fraud going on and such requirements are not necessary, and that current legislation requiring ID other than voter registration cards to vote is knee-jerk xenophobic motivated?

So no real answer.
My point is I do not recall EVER being asked for proof of citizenship. Or ANY ID, and that includes voter registration card, when voting. And this is in 5 different states. You do not think that sets up conditions for fraud?

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Originally posted by sw614:

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Originally posted by skinman13:

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Originally posted by sw614:
<sbip> Why do you have such a hard time with requiring people show ID? [/color]

Why are you having such a hard time understanding that there is no voter fraud going on and such requirements are not necessary, and that current legislation requiring ID other than voter registration cards to vote is knee-jerk xenophobic motivated?

So no real answer.
My point is I do not recall EVER being asked for proof of citizenship. Or ANY ID, and that includes voter registration card, when voting. And this is in 5 different states. You do not think that sets up conditions for fraud?

So, you are admitting that there is no fraud, just a potential for fraud?

And, since there is no fraud, then all this hoopla about requiring ID is motivated by something else?

Therefore, the motivation could very well be xenophobia and racial motivated?

If it quacks like a duck...

BTW, I live in Texas, and from the very first time I voted here 27 years ago, I have had to show my voter ID card when I signed the voting register, and if I did not have my voter ID card, I had to show something else. And, to register to get my voter ID card, I had to state that I was born in the USA...nothing more is necessary.

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Originally posted by sw614:

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Originally posted by skinman13:

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Originally posted by sw614:
<sbip> Why do you have such a hard time with requiring people show ID? [/color]

Why are you having such a hard time understanding that there is no voter fraud going on and such requirements are not necessary, and that current legislation requiring ID other than voter registration cards to vote is knee-jerk xenophobic motivated?

So no real answer.
My point is I do not recall EVER being asked for proof of citizenship. Or ANY ID, and that includes voter registration card, when voting. And this is in 5 different states. You do not think that sets up conditions for fraud?

I have answered...MANY times over. Requiring more ID than is already required is not necessary and is nothing more than the rightist in control of the GOP trying to manipulate the vote by disenfranchising the Democrat voting bloc.

You are admitting that there is no fraud, just a potential for fraud.

And, since you admit that there is no fraud, then you realize that all this hoopla about requiring ID is motivated by something else.

Therefore, the motivation could very well be xenophobia and racially motivated...as well as trying to deny Democrat voters their right to vote by putting more and more requirements on proving eligibility to vote and then systematically delaying and or denying approval of the new requirements.

If it quacks like a duck...

BTW, I live in Texas, and from the very first time I voted here 27 years ago, I have had to show my voter ID card when I signed the voting register, and if I did not have my voter ID card, I had to show something else. And, to register to get my voter ID card, I had to state that I was born in the USA...nothing more is necessary.

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Originally posted by CYCLIC_RUNAWAY:
Ask the 4.7 million convicted felons in the United States who cannot vote. I mean sure, they can vote, but they will get this little postcard in the mail shortly after saying it was tossed from the count and give them a number to call for further information. Usually it’s the County Clerk’s Office.

C.R.

FYI...It depends upon which state they are in whether or not they can vote.

In 12 states felons lose their right to vote permanently. 18 states allow them to vote upon completion of all supervised release. 5 states allow them to vote upon completion of parole. 13 allow them to vote immediately upon release from prison and two allow them to vote while incarcerated.

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Originally posted by skinman13:

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Originally posted by sw614:
<sbip> Why do you have such a hard time with requiring people show ID? [/color]

Why are you having such a hard time understanding that there is no voter fraud going on and such requirements are not necessary, and that current legislation requiring ID other than voter registration cards to vote is knee-jerk xenophobic motivated?

Voter fraud happened in Cali proven. Keep ignoring it.

And hurl the old xenophobe BS. Wanting only US Citizens to vote is Xenophobic. The mind of a lib at work....

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Originally posted by GunnyRet03:

Voter fraud happened in Cali proven. Keep ignoring it.

And hurl the old xenophobe BS. Wanting only US Citizens to vote is Xenophobic. The mind of a lib at work....

yes, it happened (over ten years ago), was discovered and the guy still lost (then he lost again).

Now, let's get back to the TOPIC, which is the illegal actions of Georgia. Their system was horribly flawed and caused 7,000 citizens to be flagged as non-citizens. The DOJ put a stop to the practice. Georgia is perfectly free to try a NEW system that is not as flawed. I believe Arizona has one...

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:

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Originally posted by GunnyRet03:

Voter fraud happened in Cali proven. Keep ignoring it.

And hurl the old xenophobe BS. Wanting only US Citizens to vote is Xenophobic. The mind of a lib at work....

yes, it happened (over ten years ago), was discovered and the guy still lost (then he lost again).

Now, let's get back to the TOPIC, which is the illegal actions of Georgia. Their system was horribly flawed and caused 7,000 citizens to be flagged as non-citizens. The DOJ put a stop to the practice. Georgia is perfectly free to try a NEW system that is not as flawed. I believe Arizona has one...

Oh, 10 yrs ago so it doesnt count huh. Oh, it doesnt matter he still lost. Just stop talking about illegals voting pls! LMAO!


Remember you guys are saying it doesnt happen.

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Originally posted by GunnyRet03:
Oh, 10 yrs ago so it doesnt count huh. Oh, it doesnt matter he still lost. Just stop talking about illegals voting pls! LMAO!

I didn't say it "didn't count", I'm saying that it was 10 years ago and hopefully they have learned from what occurred. What are the current statistics regarding "illegals" voting?

I work for a Registrar. Voter fraud is very serious for me, but so is ensuring that all citizens who are entitled to, get to vote. This is my JOB and I take it very seriously and am very passionate about what I do.

We all have to work within the laws and Georgia broke them.

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:

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Originally posted by GunnyRet03:
Oh, 10 yrs ago so it doesnt count huh. Oh, it doesnt matter he still lost. Just stop talking about illegals voting pls! LMAO!

I didn't say it "didn't count", I'm saying that it was 10 years ago and hopefully they have learned from what occurred. What are the current statistics regarding "illegals" voting?

I work for a Registrar. Voter fraud is very serious for me, but so is ensuring that all citizens who are entitled to, get to vote. This is my JOB and I take it very seriously and am very passionate about what I do.

We all have to work within the laws and Georgia broke them.

GA worked within the laws the last doj helped them craft this, its just a new doj that doenst like it. Nobody got turned away to vote coz their name was on that list.

And being a registrar you know your records are screwed up and they are all over the nation and anytime any county por state ytried to clean them up you got the disenfranchising crowd whining about it and wanting to keep the shiity azzed system and records that we have.

Dead people
Illegals non citizens
multiple voting
and so on

and we know the aclu will be there to ensure it continues.

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Originally posted by GunnyRet03:

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:

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Originally posted by GunnyRet03:
Oh, 10 yrs ago so it doesnt count huh. Oh, it doesnt matter he still lost. Just stop talking about illegals voting pls! LMAO!

I didn't say it "didn't count", I'm saying that it was 10 years ago and hopefully they have learned from what occurred. What are the current statistics regarding "illegals" voting?

I work for a Registrar. Voter fraud is very serious for me, but so is ensuring that all citizens who are entitled to, get to vote. This is my JOB and I take it very seriously and am very passionate about what I do.

We all have to work within the laws and Georgia broke them.

GA worked within the laws the last doj helped them craft this, its just a new doj that doenst like it. Nobody got turned away to vote coz their name was on that list.

And being a registrar you know your records are screwed up and they are all over the nation and anytime any county por state ytried to clean them up you got the disenfranchising crowd whining about it and wanting to keep the shiity azzed system and records that we have.

Dead people
Illegals non citizens
multiple voting
and so on

and we know the aclu will be there to ensure it continues.

I think you are mistaken. The previous DOJ helped them draft a bill that is currently being challenged, not the current system that they are using for verification.

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Originally posted by skinman13:

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Originally posted by sw614:

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Originally posted by skinman13:

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Originally posted by sw614:
<sbip> Why do you have such a hard time with requiring people show ID? [/color]

Why are you having such a hard time understanding that there is no voter fraud going on and such requirements are not necessary, and that current legislation requiring ID other than voter registration cards to vote is knee-jerk xenophobic motivated?

So no real answer.
My point is I do not recall EVER being asked for proof of citizenship. Or ANY ID, and that includes voter registration card, when voting. And this is in 5 different states. You do not think that sets up conditions for fraud?

So, you are admitting that there is no fraud, just a potential for fraud?

And, since there is no fraud, then all this hoopla about requiring ID is motivated by something else?

Therefore, the motivation could very well be xenophobia and racial motivated?

If it quacks like a duck...

BTW, I live in Texas, and from the very first time I voted here 27 years ago, I have had to show my voter ID card when I signed the voting register, and if I did not have my voter ID card, I had to show something else. And, to register to get my voter ID card, I had to state that I was born in the USA...nothing more is necessary.

I never claimed fraud. Go back and read my first post. I said something isn't right about not having to prove who you are. My motivation, contrary to your racial accusations and political Chicken Little statements, is that it doesn't seem right that there is no verification before voting. So take your accustations and stuff them and cry racism somewhere else. And you are assuming that all people who do not have ID are Democrats. This is according to what? What are you so afraid of with having to show ID? Are you 100% sure that there is no voter fraud happening during elections? What prevents it from happening?

So with our different experiences, it seems there is no firm concensus between states with regards to ID when voting. A statement saying 'yes, I was born here' is not confirmation of anything. I think I did have to show a utility bill to prove my address was where I said it was, but nothing more.

One thing about disenfranchising voters. There were stories on the local tube here in Maryland about voters being disenfranchised. Of course the republicans were suspect, mostly because the people making the claims were from minority areas. But given Maryland is HEAVILY democrat and most jurisdictions run by democrats, I wondered who was doing what to whom? On a couple of stories it turned out some people went to vote with friends, but outside their district and were not on the rolls so voting was denied. Your rantings about democrats being denied voting reminded me of those stories; full of sensationalism but no substance and short of the full story.

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Originally posted by skinman13:

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Originally posted by sw614:
<sbip> Why do you have such a hard time with requiring people show ID? [/color]

Why are you having such a hard time understanding that there is no voter fraud going on and such requirements are not necessary, and that current legislation requiring ID other than voter registration cards to vote is knee-jerk xenophobic motivated?

You're livjng in a dreamworld. I suggest you at least attempt to learn something about the issue prior to posting.

Hummm.... if voting is a right then why don't more people do it?... My understanding is that voting is a civil liberty... the protection provided against discrimination at the polling place is a right protected by the 17th Amendment of 1870 that prevents discrimination based on color; the 19th Amendment of 1920 that prevents discrimination based on sex (allowing women to vote) and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 (or '64 - getting old, you know) which eliminated the poll tax, literacy tests, etc.

Personally, I do not believe that offering any PROOF OF IDENTITY is preventive to vote... it is an attempt to show who you are and compare it to their list. Here, in Texas, you bring your voters registration card AND your dirvers license or some photo ID... legal photo ID, not your business id badge. If you don't have your registration card you give them your driver's license, they look you up and you have to recite your address.

I stood in line behind some ACORN people when I voted this year and watched a lady COACH 3 people where to make their 'mark'... I personally believe a literacy test should be enforced... anyone with a 2nd grade reading level should be able to mark a paper ballot... if you can't read it, how do you know you are marking what you really want? or are you marking what some activist wants you to mark?... that is what poll officers are for, to help understand the ballot and assist voters... all activists should be kept OUT of polling places.

I think the DOJ is out of line on this one... flat out wrong.

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Originally posted by SkipHadaway:
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Personally, I do not believe that offering any PROOF OF IDENTITY is preventive to vote... it is an attempt to show who you are and compare it to their list.

This has become another in the right's divisive partisan politics. What is preventative is not offering proof of identification, it is for legislation to be written and passed into law by one political party that DEMANDS multiple forms of proof that are not necessarily carried by all citizens, and that are not required by law to be carried.

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Here, in Texas, you bring your voters registration card AND your dirvers license or some photo ID... legal photo ID, not your business id badge. If you don't have your registration card you give them your driver's license, they look you up and you have to recite your address.

You are mistaken! Here in Texas, all you have to show is your voter registration card OR another acceptable form of ID, not necessarily a photo ID, and not BOTH! Check it out for yourself.

Ref:http://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/pamphlets/largepamp.shtml

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I stood in line behind some ACORN people when I voted this year and watched a lady COACH 3 people where to make their 'mark'...

I have a very difficult time believing this claim! This is strictly against the law [Title 6, Ch. 64, Subchapter A, Sec.A64.036 of the Texas Election Code] and election officers and watchers are specifically trained to not allow this. Furthermore, if you witnessed this happening, you are obligated to report it to the election judges, officers, or watchers.

Ref: http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/docs/EL/content/pdf/el.006.00.000064.00.pdf

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I personally believe a literacy test should be enforced... anyone with a 2nd grade reading level should be able to mark a paper ballot... if you can't read it, how do you know you are marking what you really want? or are you marking what some activist wants you to mark?... that is what poll officers are for, to help understand the ballot and assist voters... all activists should be kept OUT of polling places.

It is a sad fact that not all people can read. It is not illegal and it should in no way be used to deny anyone their legal RIGHT to participate in the democratic process.

It is a sad fact that not all people can see and do not know how to read braille. That should also not be used to deny anyone their legal right to vote.

And, here is the main issue for rightists that is pushing this kind of voting restrictive legislation...not all legal US citizens can read and understand the English language, do not read, speak or understand Spanish, or any of the other languages used on ballots. Rightists want to limit voting to people who read, speak and understand English. 75 years ago, it was white people, and 100 years ago it was white men only. It has taken many years of hard fighting to get our representative democratic republic to the noble idea that is called for in the Declaration of Independence, that ALL men [and women] are created EQUAL, and have an absolute RIGHT to participate in the democratic process by voting. The right wants to turn the page, and it is clear that the fight continues.

Since you are in Texas, do you realize that the current gridlock going on with the state legislature right now centers around a few rightist Republicans pushing photo ID and another form of ID along with the voter registration card? Are you aware that the right researched and determined that these same forms of identification this proposed legislation is requiring are normally NOT carried by traditionally Democrat voters? And, this legislation comes on the heels of Tom DeLay's successful gerrymandering of the districts to limit the numbers of Democrat representatives by diluting the Democrat vote?

This is all about the neoconservative right's determination to maintain their strangle hold on power by limiting people's right to vote for Democrat issues and candidates.

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Originally posted by threerings:

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Originally posted by skinman13:

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Originally posted by sw614:
<sbip> Why do you have such a hard time with requiring people show ID? [/color]

Why are you having such a hard time understanding that there is no voter fraud going on and such requirements are not necessary, and that current legislation requiring ID other than voter registration cards to vote is knee-jerk xenophobic motivated?

You're livjng in a dreamworld. I suggest you at least attempt to learn something about the issue prior to posting.

I will ignore your obvious attempt to bait.

Just because we do not agree on any issue does not mean that we are not equally informed. You choose to accept information provided from one ideology and I choose another. We are both right in some regards and probably wrong on others, but it does not make either of us less informed, just viewing things differently.

I am attempting to attack and pound points and counterpoints and I have tried very hard to keep my rhetoric from sounding like a personal attack. It appears that you are taking my opposing views personal and are starting to attack on a personal level. There is nothing positive or informative to be gained by taking the discussion there.

At this point, I believe that we should just agree to disagree and move on.

Peace, out

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Originally posted by skinman13:

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Originally posted by threerings:

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Originally posted by skinman13:

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Originally posted by sw614:
<sbip> Why do you have such a hard time with requiring people show ID? [/color]

Why are you having such a hard time understanding that there is no voter fraud going on and such requirements are not necessary, and that current legislation requiring ID other than voter registration cards to vote is knee-jerk xenophobic motivated?

You're livjng in a dreamworld. I suggest you at least attempt to learn something about the issue prior to posting.

I will ignore your obvious attempt to bait.

Just because we do not agree on any issue does not mean that we are not equally informed. You choose to accept information provided from one ideology and I choose another. We are both right in some regards and probably wrong on others, but it does not make either of us less informed, just viewing things differently.

I am attempting to attack and pound points and counterpoints and I have tried very hard to keep my rhetoric from sounding like a personal attack. It appears that you are taking my opposing views personal and are starting to attack on a personal level. There is nothing positive or informative to be gained by taking the discussion there.

At this point, I believe that we should just agree to disagree and move on.

Peace, out

I've taken nothing you've said personal.

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Originally posted by threerings:

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Originally posted by skinman13:

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Originally posted by sw614:
<sbip> Why do you have such a hard time with requiring people show ID? [/color]

Why are you having such a hard time understanding that there is no voter fraud going on and such requirements are not necessary, and that current legislation requiring ID other than voter registration cards to vote is knee-jerk xenophobic motivated?

You're livjng in a dreamworld. I suggest you at least attempt to learn something about the issue prior to posting.

So what are the current cases regarding illegals voting? What are the current statistics?

What Georgia did was violate the law (The Voting Rights Act to be exact). Now we can debate the necessity of Georgia being included in Sec 5 of the VRA, but that might be a debate for another thread)

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:

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Originally posted by threerings:

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Originally posted by skinman13:

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Originally posted by sw614:
<sbip> Why do you have such a hard time with requiring people show ID? [/color]

Why are you having such a hard time understanding that there is no voter fraud going on and such requirements are not necessary, and that current legislation requiring ID other than voter registration cards to vote is knee-jerk xenophobic motivated?

You're livjng in a dreamworld. I suggest you at least attempt to learn something about the issue prior to posting.

So what are the current cases regarding illegals voting? What are the current statistics?

What Georgia did was violate the law (The Voting Rights Act to be exact). Now we can debate the necessity of Georgia being included in Sec 5 of the VRA, but that might be a debate for another thread)

No question Georgia violeted the law. That said it wasn't the desire to show ID's which was the problem.


Thats said: I fail to see how asking someone to produce an ID in this day in age is such a burden. I also fail to see why ANYONE who wants an honest and just system would be against this issue.

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Originally posted by threerings:


No question Georgia violeted the law. That said it wasn't the desire to show ID's which was the problem.

No, and that wasn't what their system was about. There is also a Georgia bill in question (I referenced it earlier in this thread) that the previous DOJ helped them draft regarding identification of some sort. I don't recall exactly. It is a different issue than this one regarding their verification system which they did not get approval for prior to implementing it (hence the law breaking)

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Thats said: I fail to see how asking someone to produce an ID in this day in age is such a burden. I also fail to see why ANYONE who wants an honest and just system would be against this issue.

Maybe it isn't and ID laws could be more prevalent in the future. This is currently a state's rights issue and few states have Voting ID laws.

What do you do about absentee or vote by mail voters? What of overseas and military?

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:

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Originally posted by threerings:


No question Georgia violeted the law. That said it wasn't the desire to show ID's which was the problem.

No, and that wasn't what their system was about. There is also a Georgia bill in question (I referenced it earlier in this thread) that the previous DOJ helped them draft regarding identification of some sort. I don't recall exactly. It is a different issue than this one regarding their verification system which they did not get approval for prior to implementing it (hence the law breaking)

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Thats said: I fail to see how asking someone to produce an ID in this day in age is such a burden. I also fail to see why ANYONE who wants an honest and just system would be against this issue.

Maybe it isn't and ID laws could be more prevalent in the future. This is currently a state's rights issue and few states have Voting ID laws.

What do you do about absentee or vote by mail voters? What of overseas and military?

I've seen it all..now YOUR calling for states rights? Another issue where, when its on your side...

As for absentee votes...we can just do what every liberal state did with military votes...toss them out uncounted.

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Originally posted by threerings:

I've seen it all..now YOUR calling for states rights? Another issue where, when its on your side...

As for absentee votes...we can just do what every liberal state did with military votes...toss them out uncounted.

Do you facts confuse you for some reason or do you have a compulsion for attributing to me things I have never said or done?

I did not state my opinion one way or the other regarding states rights. I simply stated a fact that Voter ID laws are a states right.

Feel free to provide links to all these "liberal states" and what they do with military and overseas voters. (Might want to take a look at what "liberal" California does for its military and overseas voters)

By the way, there are deadlines for when ballots must be received at the Registrar in order to be counted.

Now, care to answer the question about voter ID and absentee or vote by mail voters?

I don't know the hard stats but I bet that allot of the Identity theft that happens in the states is from Illegals. I say this because I have seen it at my old job.We had a new Mexican kid start working for us and every Friday he would look at the lady in the office with a stupid look on his face and ask why he wasn't getting a check this week.She would tell him that until you give me a SSN I cant pay you. This went on for about a month until one of the Older Mexicans took him down to somewhere and the next day he had a SSN.It wasnt his and he was fired. I do want to defend the state of Oklahoma. In the last election all 71 counties in our state voted Republican.Since the Great State of Oklahoma was brought into the Union in 1907 we have Voted Republican so even in death our citizens still want Oklahoma to be a red state.No really why should Illegals and non-citizens have a say about what goes on in our country.

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When it comes to showing photo identification at a polling place before voting, 83 percent of Americans say they think it is a good idea to require it, because it helps avoid fraud. Only 15 percent of Americans agree with the Justice Department that such a policy is a bad idea.

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This sentiment is spread across party lines, with large majorities of Republicans (92 percent), Democrats (76 percent) and independents (84 percent) agreeing with a policy that requires voters to show photo ID before voting.

Those most likely to think that the policy is a bad idea include blacks (23 percent), low income voters (22 percent) and liberal voters (22 percent).

Even more Americans agree that people should be required to show photo ID or a Social Security card to prove U.S. citizenship before registering to vote, with fully 91 percent believing it should be a requirement.
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Again, there is overwhelming support for such a policy across party lines, with almost all Republicans (94 percent), Democrats (89 percent) and independents (90 percent) in favor.

While the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) requires first time voters, who register by mail, to show photo ID before voting, there are currently 24 states that have more stringent requirements than HAVA. Of these states, only seven require all voters to show photo ID before voting. The remaining 17 will accept some forms of non-photo ID.

Opinion Dynamics Corp. conducted the national telephone poll of 900 registered voters for FOX News from June 9 to June 10. The poll has a 3-point error margin.