Before I ask the question, I need to see if I know what the GOP stands for:

small government

less taxes

Private business dictates economy

Judaochristian values

Moral clarity

Defend Americans as top priority

Strong stance on illegal immigration

Peace through strength
I'm sure there are more to add to the list.
Now, the question:
If you stand for all those listed items and whining about how you don't have a candidate to vote for that represent your views, why did you not vote for them in the primary? You had Tancredo, Hunter, Romney, and to a small degree, Huckabee. Instead, you chose McCain. Why? Is it because McCain has a better chance at winning the White House? If so, then you don't value the GOP stance, do you? Or do you? Please explain.

JMHO, I could be wrong...

I am not a Republican but I lean to the right.

McCain coms closest to what I want to see in the WH

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If so, then you don't value the GOP stance, do you? Or do you?

That is correct. Republicans let the media pick their candidate for them.
There is a strong psychology about siding with a guy that is thought to be popular. People don't want to defend their choices, so they go along with the most popular.

The elites are laughing at you so called 'republicans".
Go Ron Paul, he's still in it!

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McCain coms closest to what I want to see in the WH

amen

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Originally posted by MilitaryFanSupporter:
Before I ask the question, I need to see if I know what the GOP stands for:

small government

less taxes

Private business dictates economy

Judaochristian values

Moral clarity

Defend Americans as top priority

Strong stance on illegal immigration

Peace through strength
I'm sure there are more to add to the list.
Now, the question:
If you stand for all those listed items and whining about how you don't have a candidate to vote for that represent your views, why did you not vote for them in the primary? You had Tancredo, Hunter, Romney, and to a small degree, Huckabee. Instead, you chose McCain. Why? Is it because McCain has a better chance at winning the White House? If so, then you don't value the GOP stance, do you? Or do you? Please explain.

Thats a good question. I don't think the Repubs really represent that any more. They say they do but they certainly don't do what they say very often.

As for the candidates you mentioned. God only knows why sheep follow the flock.

That's easy. GOP stands for Grand Old Party.

I'm afraid that if they continue their dismal, uninspiring performance on some of the issues you listed above, that party may soon be over, so to speak.

I might also turn your attention to the way the turbo-Christians have turned many younger voters off of this party. The folks my age have a mindset that these folks are more pro-evangelical than they are pro-America. Maybe if our fearful leaders hadn't wasted so much political capital on Terri Schiavo, etc. we'd have something left over for the upcoming fall.

This is much too premature to bash Republicans or John McCain or the Democrats or Obama for that matter. Let the "dust settle," and look for the key speeches, proclamations, and platforms, and vice presidential selections coming out of the respective conventions -- and then go to the debating results of the candidates.

Party affiliations simply are not a "surefire" metric to determine the positions of these candidates. Some traditional values are always distinctions, but the "richness" in controversial policy issues for this election will separate these candidates, not trite and worn party labels.

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Originally posted by Bleah:
That's easy. GOP stands for Grand Old Party.

I'm afraid that if they continue their dismal, uninspiring performance on some of the issues you listed above, that party may soon be over, so to speak.

I might also turn your attention to the way the turbo-Christians have turned many younger voters off of this party. The folks my age have a mindset that these folks are more pro-evangelical than they are pro-America. Maybe if our fearful leaders hadn't wasted so much political capital on Terri Schiavo, etc. we'd have something left over for the upcoming fall.

Or could it be that many of the conservative republicans became Libertarians; though perhaps many Libertarians vote republican in the general election.

Maybe one day we will have the conservative, moderate, liberal, communist, and socialist parties.

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Originally posted by aggie_swife:

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Originally posted by Bleah:
That's easy. GOP stands for Grand Old Party.

I'm afraid that if they continue their dismal, uninspiring performance on some of the issues you listed above, that party may soon be over, so to speak.

I might also turn your attention to the way the turbo-Christians have turned many younger voters off of this party. The folks my age have a mindset that these folks are more pro-evangelical than they are pro-America. Maybe if our fearful leaders hadn't wasted so much political capital on Terri Schiavo, etc. we'd have something left over for the upcoming fall.

Or could it be that many of the conservative republicans became Libertarians; though perhaps many Libertarians vote republican in the general election.

Maybe one day we will have the conservative, moderate, liberal, communist, and socialist parties.

I would love to see many parties.

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Originally posted by MilitaryFanSupporter:
Before I ask the question, I need to see if I know what the GOP stands for:

small government

less taxes

Private business dictates economy

Judaochristian values

Moral clarity

Defend Americans as top priority

Strong stance on illegal immigration

Peace through strength
I'm sure there are more to add to the list.
Now, the question:
If you stand for all those listed items and whining about how you don't have a candidate to vote for that represent your views, why did you not vote for them in the primary? You had Tancredo, Hunter, Romney, and to a small degree, Huckabee. Instead, you chose McCain. Why? Is it because McCain has a better chance at winning the White House? If so, then you don't value the GOP stance, do you? Or do you? Please explain.

As a TRUE REPUBLICAN BARRY GOLDWATER GOT IT RIGHT Politicians have NO business in the church pulpit or anyones bedroom...He knew it it would turn sooooooooo many party faithfuls into HYPOCRITES....He was right

Pro-life...

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Originally posted by Kegler300:
Pro-life...

ahhhh yes... just like the FLDS

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Originally posted by MilitaryFanSupporter:
Before I ask the question, I need to see if I know what the GOP stands for:

small government

less taxes

Private business dictates economy

Judaochristian values

Moral clarity

Defend Americans as top priority

Strong stance on illegal immigration

Peace through strength
I'm sure there are more to add to the list.
Now, the question:
If you stand for all those listed items and whining about how you don't have a candidate to vote for that represent your views, why did you not vote for them in the primary? You had Tancredo, Hunter, Romney, and to a small degree, Huckabee. Instead, you chose McCain. Why? Is it because McCain has a better chance at winning the White House? If so, then you don't value the GOP stance, do you? Or do you? Please explain.

Well now ... I'm not one of those saying I don't have a candidate that represents my views, at least for the most part. On an "issue scale", I might have dropped my ballot for Romney if I could have concluded that his turn-around on several issues was trustworthy ... and if he had been on the ballot by the time the Alabama primary rolled around. He wasn't ... leaving the choice between Huckabee and McCain. Not being a Bible thumping, born again, evangelical brand Christian (that DOES NOT mean that I don't espouse Judao-Christian values), I had a bit of a problem with Huckabee though he did win the state.

I believe your question is a bit simplistic ... ask the average Democrat (if there is such a thing) if he/she favors paying higher taxes and most will tell you no ... but they will generally vote for either Senator Clinton or Senator Obama even though they can expect that by doing so, their taxes will go up. I thought the best candidate Democrats fielded, at least in many respects, was Richardson ... but he didn't make it to first base ... no charisma.

I further suspect that if we had a "one shot" national primary instead of this long, drawn out series, the results in both parties would be considerably different than they are right now ... for better, or for worse.

Having said all of the above, what I believe McCain has going for him is that he is a bit of a pragmatist ... not an ideologue. In my view, that is what it is going to take to blur the line in the sand that both parties have drawn over the last nearly twenty years.

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Originally posted by scottrj50:

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Originally posted by Kegler300:
Pro-life...

ahhhh yes... just like the FLDS

DKWTFTM...

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Originally posted by Kegler300:

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Originally posted by scottrj50:

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Originally posted by Kegler300:
Pro-life...

ahhhh yes... just like the FLDS

DKWTFTM...

YGIFLDS

Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints

You know; those whack-jobs in Texas?

I made the choice to take up the Republican Party stance during my Senior Year in High School.
At the time, one of my teachers was a member of the State House of Representatives...back then, the position was part-time...
His name was Robert D Harman (R) Mineral County.
His family was long-standing friends of everyone in the area...and as honest and upright as one could get.
He and his family were highly regarded and respected in the area...couldn't get any better.
I respected him as well...and remained a friend long after my graduation.

It was his approach to issues that influenced my decision...
And, to this day...any political decisions I make, by my voting, are done only after a complete and a thorough 'looksee' at the issues.
While I don't totally agree to the entire party platform on ALL issues...I believe to the fact that the party is the best for me.
I vote with my mind...

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If you stand for all those listed items and whining about how you don't have a candidate to vote for that represent your views, why did you not vote for them in the primary? Who said some of us did?You had Tancredo, Hunter, Romney, and to a small degree, Huckabee. Instead, you chose McCain. Why? Is it because McCain has a better chance at winning the White House? If so, then you don't value the GOP stance, do you? Or do you? Please explain.

Quite frankly, I don't value either party anymore. Neither has shown much interest in the common citizen. Neither has shown any real concern over our country being invaded by Mexico via illegals. Both parties are full of pandering fools.

Having said that, McCain is simply the lesser of the evils. I don't particularly care for him, but he is far less worrisome than Obama or Clinton. I actually wanted to see Tancredo or Thompson get the republican ticket.

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It was his approach to issues that influenced my decision...
And, to this day...any political decisions I make, by my voting, are done only after a complete and a thorough 'looksee' at the issues.
While I don't totally agree to the entire party platform on ALL issues...I believe to the fact that the party is the best for me.
I vote with my mind...

Hoffy, I'm sorry but you just lost a lot of people here. "Vote with your mind?" A new concept that some of our brothers/sisters cannot comprehend! If only the majority of voters took the time as you have....to research and educate themselves! Wow! Maybe then we would not have to rely on some pandering of a polotician who spouts "change"!


I can say we need "change", who will vote for me?

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Originally posted by djay101:

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It was his approach to issues that influenced my decision...
And, to this day...any political decisions I make, by my voting, are done only after a complete and a thorough 'looksee' at the issues.
While I don't totally agree to the entire party platform on ALL issues...I believe to the fact that the party is the best for me.
I vote with my mind...

Hoffy, I'm sorry but you just lost a lot of people here. "Vote with your mind?" A new concept that some of our brothers/sisters cannot comprehend! If only the majority of voters took the time as you have....to research and educate themselves! Wow! Maybe then we would not have to rely on some pandering of a polotician who spouts "change"!


I can say we need "change", who will vote for me?

This post made me laugh. Then I read it again, and laughed some more...for different reasons.

Thanks, man. It's not often I get to laugh both with and about a post.