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Here is a short synopsis of his new book. . .
****************** http://shop.wnd.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=1914 The Third World Invasion and Conquest of America By Patrick Buchanan Pat Buchanan is sounding the alarm. Since 9/11, more than four million illegal immigrants have crossed our borders, and there are more coming every day. Our leaders in Washington lack the political will to uphold the rule of law. The Melting Pot is broken beyond repair, and the future of our nation is at stake. In this important book, Pat Buchanan reveals that, slowly but surely, the great American Southwest is being reconquered by Mexico. These lands---which many Mexicans believe are their birthright---are being detached ethnically, linguistically, and culturally from the United States by a deliberate policy of the Mexican regime. This is the “Aztlan Plot” for “La Reconquista,” the recapture of the lands lost by Mexico in the Texas War of Independence and Mexican-American War. Comparing the immigrant invasion of America from across the Mexican border---and of Europe from across the Mediterranean---to the barbarian invasions that ended the Roman Empire, the author writes with passion and conviction that we have begun the final chapter of the Death of the West. Unless the invasion is halted now, Buchanan argues, by midcentury America will be a country unrecognizable to our parents, the Third World dystopia that Theodore Roosevelt warned against when he said we must never let America become a “polyglot boardinghouse” for the world. President Bush’s failure to halt the invasion and secure America’s border, Buchanan writes, is a dereliction of constitutional duty that, in other times, would have called forth articles of impeachment. In the final chapter, “Last Chance,” he lays out a sweeping immigration reform and border security plan, which, he contends, if not pursued, means George W. Bush’s legacy will be to have lost for America a Southwest that was the legacy of Sam Houston, Andrew Jackson, and James K. Polk. With an estimated ten to fifteen million “illegals” already here and tens of millions more poised to pour across our borders, few books could be as timely---or important---as “State of Emergency.” It is essential reading for all Americans. |
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I like Pat Buchanan. If more republicans were like him I would be one of them. Well they would have to like trees too and be pro choice and gay rights, and against fox noise, ah well I still like Pat.
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Pat Buchanan is a racist and an idiot. First of all, the term "invasion" connotes an attempt to take power, property and people away. Nothing could be further from the truth. Visit Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California any day of the week, and you will know who is in charge; sure ain't Mexico.
What Buchanan does NOT realize is that the Mexican culture: Cinco de Mayo celebration, Dia de los Muertos, Fiesta, etc. are fully embraced as part of the Southwest culture. At least it is in Texas. Buchanan also doesn't realize that many "American" traditions derive from the Mexican cowboy culture. In fact, the Mexican word "vaquero" or "cow-man" took two variations: the literal translation of "cowboy" and the Anglo attempt to pronounce it that came out as "buckaroo." Many other words, such as "la riata" or "lariat," "chaps" from "chaparral", etc. derived from the Spanish-speaking culture. Bottom line is that the Spanish language is an integral part of the Texas cowboy culture as well as the culture in New Mexico, Arizona and California. Also, the inconvenient truth is that the United States invaded what was Mexico and took it over. Don't get me wrong, I'm proud to be an American and Texan. But pilgrims like Buchanan are completely clueless when it comes to things like what is truly American, and specifically what is truly Texan. He's a racist pushing an agenda that only inflames emotions. Is there an immigration problem? You bet. Should something be done about it? You bet. Is Pat Buchanan the man for the job? Hell, no. |
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I like trees. Don't have to be a lib to love nature. |
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Good post Toome, Buchanan is a moron when it comes to immigration from the South and I would add.....look carefully at the third generation Mexicans living as a citizens in this country and count how many know how to speak Spanish. I work with some that can't. Just like past immigrants to this country. The melting pot isn't what is broken.
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No one wants to stop the flow of immigrants... LEGAL IMMIGRANTS. But the border has GOT to be secured... I don't understand what is so hard about it. Build the fence... build it now... and send back those illegals that you find.
I've never cared much for Pat Buchanan, although he does have his good points. I think he's a little too much over the top on some things. I LOVE trees... have wooded acres on the ranch that I will never cut down. |
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Toome: First of all, the term "invasion" connotes an attempt to take power, property and people away. Nothing could be further from the truth. Visit Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California any day of the week, and you will know who is in charge; sure ain't Mexico.[QUOTE] Much of what you say is true, but I do have to take issue with your quote above. Let me give you one prime example. Take the town of Alice Texas, known as the “hub” and center of south Texas. Alice was once the most prospers and wealthy town in south Texas richly embedded in the oil, gas, and ranching industries. During the 1950’s the population was approaching 32,000 and was about 70% Anglo and the rest Hispanic. During the 1960’s the changes began and today Alice is less than 22,000 in population, the oil, gas, and ranching industries remaining are but a fraction of what it once was, the town is no longer wealthy but is struggling economically. The Hispanic population is now over 82% and every single government, both elected and appointed, official from dog catcher up to county judge and mayor is Hispanic. Most of the businesses have either closed or moved to another town, the streets are in disrepair, the high school that was once named one of the best in the nation is now substandard and the list goes on and on. The same thing is happening to towns all across the southwest so please don’t say that the Mexican is not taking over; you would have to be blind not to see it |
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thank God for Indian food.
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HOOVER & EISENHOWER DEPORTED MILLIONS OF ILLEGALS!
Here is something that should be of great interest for you to pass around. I didn't know of this until it was pointed out to me. But, back during the Great Depression, President Herbert Hoover ordered the deportation of all illegal aliens in order to make jobs available to American citizens that desperately needed work. And then again in 1954, President Dwight Eisenhower deported 13 million Mexican nationals! The program was called "Operation "Wetback" so that American WWII and Korean veterans had a better chance at jobs. It took 2 years, but they deported them! Now, if they could deport the illegals back then, they can sure do it today!! If you have doubts about the accuracy of this information, enter Operation Wetback into your favorite search engine and confirm it for yourself. Reminder. Don't forget to pay your taxes... 12 million illegal aliens are depending on you! |
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I love everybody, but the illegals got to go! I'm for operation wetback two.
I want them to come back, and I want them to be legal, with full protections under our law, and the same opportunities that any other immigrant should have. Right now, people look the other way because they stand to gain from creating a permanent underclass. That is so UNAMERICAN. I say, bus em all back and wrap our border tight. Then, let them return, and dignify their contribution to the American dream in a lawful manner. Don't let the coyotes run this whole operation, and screw them and the rest of us over. |
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The Handbook of Texas Online: "...It is difficult to estimate the number of illegal aliens forced to leave by the operation. The INS claimed as many as 1,300,000, though the number officially apprehended did not come anywhere near this total. The INS estimate rested on the claim that most aliens, fearing apprehension by the government, had voluntarily repatriated themselves before and during the operation. The San Antonio district, which included all of Texas outside of El Paso and the Trans-Pecos,qv had officially apprehended slightly more than 80,000 aliens, and local INS officials claimed that an additional 500,000 to 700,000 had fled to Mexico before the campaign began. Many commentators have considered these figure to be exaggerated." |
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Toome, I have friends in both TX and AZ. All of them say the same thing...the Mexicans in many towns ARE taking them over and ARE hostile. In Phoenix this is particularely true. When I was there (Phoenix) for a few days I was truly shocked at how bad it was. It is frightening. And depressing as well. No one has to like Buchanan, but he is pretty much on target with this issue. I don't think he is a "racist pushing an agenda" either. He is stating what is already crystal clear. People just don't like unvarnished truth. The United States cannot keep silent forever. This do nothing attitude adopted by ALL the politicians is criminal, it is against the contstituion and it is harmful to CITIZENS. Illegals entering this country HAVE TO BE STOPPED and those here DEPORTED NOW. |
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Now with RB47's help, let's press #1 for English. Oklahoma just passed a law to deport illegals from their state. Now, let's look at the rest of our country and ask ourselves with all the illegal and legal foreigners here who don't care about our liberty or independence. How long can our house stand divided? If Mr. Bush would close our borders, and close them tight, fewer police officers would be killed in the line of duty. When illegals are stopped from selling fruits and vegetables, flags and flowers on American street corners, legitimate businesses will flourish and pay more taxes to support police and fire departments across America. Illegal recreation is a free ride at the ermergency room at your local hospital in which will soon close their doors. So when we have our heart attacks, we will have to perish in the night. But they don't care. And when our great nation has gone under, they won't care about that, since it is not their nation. Middle Easterners who sneak in through Canada will soon be building bombs. They're good at it. The "people of peace" are now the biggest customers at the little gun store down the street. Remember. . . press #1 for English. It's time you bought more pistols. Use your trusty VISA card. Bury them where your grandchildren's children can find them. Now, the only people who should ever be let into our nation are people with hight intelligence, those that know and understand the greatness of our founding fathers, and those and only those, who will stand and fight to uphold the liberty of our nation. By the way, we're speaking English.. If you want to shed a tear, go to the thread "My Cousin Frankie" by GunnyRet03. . . Happy Constitution Day!!!!
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I have posted this on another thread but feel it is worth saying again. I feel that the only way to get results out of congress is for ALL OF US to come together regardless of party affiliation and concentrate on one single issue at a time and barrage congress with letters, phone calls and emails on a daily basis until they take the appropriate action. If congress received a few million letters and calls daily DEMANDING they address the illegal alien crisis you bet they would take action. This is not a partisan issue, it is a national issue of the utmost importance and our very existence as a nation is at risk.
There is great power in numbers and united we as a nation can accomplish most anything. Those in congress do not want to lose their jobs and they will listen if enough of us demand they do what is desperately needed. Your voice is important and if we all combine our voices on this one issue it will shake the foundation of the Capitol. Let your congress representatives hear from you TOMORROW, and the next day, and the next and the next until this crisis is solved. We CAN do this. If we don’t do it, then we have no right to complain. |
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O.K. IHAWKER, I'll call and write my congressmen and senators again and again and again and ole Mr. Bush, too. Thank you for the reminder.
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IMHO, illegal immigration coupled with the North American Union policy is THE single most important issue facing this nation, . . not terrorism or the war in Iraq or anything else.
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And yet we only build our "wall" on the southern border and not the northern. Why? When we talk of illegal immigration only the "little brown people" are brought up. Why? Why is it than nobody complains about the fact that Cubans making land get to stay, but Haitians don’t? Roughly 57% of our illegal immigrants come from Mexico…what of the other 43%?
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SeaWitch - how many of the remainder come in through Mexico?
Unfortunately, the "Feet Dry" policy towards Cubans is an official one that I do not agree with. Illegal immigration swells population in our schools, overtaxes public safety mechanisms, overwhelms hospitals, and creates animosity when US residents are forced to accept change to accomodate people who should not even be here. Fact remains that the vast majority of illegals come in across the southern parts of the US. It doesn' matter if they are from Mexico, Central America or South America. Even other nationalities/races come in through Mexico because it can be done and the Mexican government does nothing to discourage it. And those of you who believe it is no big deal, look at cities and towns that have had a large influx of immigrants over the past 15-20 years, the political climate has changed and they try and turn those areas sinto the country they came from. By letting this situation grow and fester, we just demonstrate how stupid we really are. BTW - where did you get the 57% number? I can not find that anywhere. Just curious. |
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I’m just saying that illegal immigration is a problem, not just from Mexico. I think I got the numbers from the immigration statistics on the DHS web site. We have to stop demonizing Mexicans because this xenophobia is leaking over and affecting legal immigrants.
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I'm sure a large percentage of the remaining 43% comes from other Latin American countries. I don't know how we currently spread out our immigration numbers across the globe, but I can guarantee you other parts of the world are not represented here fairly. Being a native of South Florida, I agree the wet foot dry foot policy that pertains to Cubans is unfair. I don't think we should allow more Haitians to immigrate, just less Cubans. |
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Those so called legals who "maybe" are being affected, need to step up to the plate and start protesting against the illegals flocking in. It is like any pecking order, if you don't want the the chit rolling down on you, then you have to help get rid of chitters. Deny it, rename it, the problem still has the same face.....MEXICO! It condones, facilitates and encourages committing the crime of illegally invading another country with aliens. So take the buzz words like "demonizing" or "xenophobia" and stuff them. The Mexican govt. and the Mexicans have earned the scorn they are receiving. |
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Mexico 57% El Salvador 4% Guatemala 4% Philippines 2% Honduras 2% India 2% Korea 2% Brazil 2% China 2% Vietnam 1% Other Countries 21% Now, how 'bout them Iraqis...should we let them in? I hear there are 2 million fleeing the country. |
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Well, going by these numbers, 69% minimum come from south of the border and I would guess most through Mexico. That tells me the southern border is the biggest, but not the only, problem.
We have to start somewhere. The Iraqis? Let who wants to come here apply and stand in line. We should not just allow 2 million plus in just because. Besides, most have no way to get here, so we would have to go get them. Nah. |
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69% minimum come from south of the border |
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Although Hispanics are the largest problem when it comes to illegal immigration, they are not the only ones that need to get the boot, it is not about race, it is about following the laws of the land and respecting them. How can one be trusted to be a good and decent citizen, when they are showing us up front that they are not willing to follow our laws (like them or not)????
There are numerous issues at stake here, first you have to worry about economics that accompany expanded growth, this is how the Government decides how many immigrants can move here legally while maintaining stability, as well as to limit the amount of money being sent abroad that also affects our economy negatively. Next you have loss of jobs beyond that of just working the crop fields, there are lost construction jobs (to include direct competition with cheaper prices over Union shops), lost janitorial work, food processing jobs, and many more. Also, we have to worry about who is coming to America in an undocumented manor to possibly attack us again with another 9/11, or even worse possibly; there is a clear need to stop the flow of illegal immigration. I am not against work visa's to fill SOME jobs that many Americans are to good to do, but there has to be identification and records to document these workers, as well as to do some sort of quick background check to make sure we are not allowing VIOLENT criminals into our system. The whole problem is fixable with some common understanding of the problem, combined with a fence and enhanced border patrol to limit the number coming here illegally, it won’t stop them all, but it will slow them down for sure. If fences don’t work (as some claim), why the need for so many tunnels under the fence, where are all the ladders people talk about often (yeah, that’s right, some fencing already exist at crossing hot spots)??? Another aspect of illegal immigration is people leaving their wives and children who may not want them to go, but as it stands now, there is no fear to go, only the high likeliness of making some money to send back home as to live like KINGS. If you think I am racist for presenting the facts combined with a FAIR solution, you are wrong. Myself, as well as many others of Hispanic decent that are Americans (roots mean jack), know the need to protect our laws, economy, and sovereignty as a Nation (it is not a White/Brown or whatever issue, get over it)! It is not the walls and security on the borders of various Countries around the World that are looked down upon, it is the actions behind the walls that is either good or bad, for the walls mean nothing, except that the Country needs to secure itself from many things that could happen without one, what makes us different or special where we do not need one on ALL our borders??? |
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Here's the problem I have with some of these posts: while no one has necessarily said it, what's implied is that anyone with dark skin who speaks Spanish or English with a Spanish accent is one of those "outsiders" taking over the country. Before some of you jump all over this, I realize that no one actually said this, and I realize that most in here support legal immigration as well as welcome the blend of various cultures.
What I am saying is that idiots like Buchanan inflame emotions for some people who do NOT make that distinction and automatically lump everyone into the same stereotypical basket. I remind you that people of Spanish descent ALSO died in the Alamo fighting for Texas independence. And their descendants went on to become American citizens. This is why I so strongly oppose Pat Buchanan and think of him as nothing more than a racist. Yes, there is some truth to what he says; however, it's the mixing of truth and innuendo that gets him in trouble. I feel the same way about Louis Farrakhan, Jesse Jackson and Ron Paul. I believe these individuals prey on people's fears to get their points across. And while they certainly have a right to express their beliefs, something each of us in this forum have preserved with our service to the nation, I would hope the majority of Americans are still able to keep these views in the proper perspective and context by hearing what they have to say but not necessarily accepting their messages as having any validity. |
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Haitians are Black and Cubans are mostly White. |
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