C-STREET "CHRISTIAN MAFIA" TIED TO CAMPAIGN IN
UGANDA -- DEATH PENALTY FOR HOMOSEXUALS!
What Does "The Family" Plan for America?

In the face of growing international protests, Uganda is considering legislation that would mandate the death penalty for men with HIV deemed guilty of so-called "aggravated homosexuality."

The measure -- dubbed the Anti-Homosexual Bill of 2009 -- was introduced by legislator David Bahati, who according to reports is tied to an international Christian group that operate the notorious "House on C-Street" in Washington, DC. The bill enjoys the enthusiastic support of Uganda's President Yoweri Musaveni.
Bahati's bill imposes a seven-year jail term for anyone who "attempts to commit the offense" or "aids, abets, counsels or procures another to engage in acts of homosexuality."

Even the "promotion of homosexuality" is punishable by a seven-year jail sentence and fine of up to the equivalent of $50,000.
Critics of the measure fear that this part of the statute would criminalize health information about AIDS and sexually transmitted diseases. There is a death sentence for anyone guilty of "aggravated homosexuality" which includes assault against a person under the age of 18, or a disabled person. Finally, there would be an obligation imposed on all citizens of Uganda to report homosexuals or homosexual behavior and mandatory testing of gay men and women for HIV.

The measure goes "over the top" by criminalizing homosexual acts even for citizens outside the country.

Opponents say that the bill violates the Ugandan Constitution, and undermines a number of civil rights including freedom of association, free speech and assembly. It also moves the government further into the sphere of civic and private life by proclaiming that homosexuality constitutes "a threat to the traditional family."

If this sounds remarkable similar to language employed by the American religious right, it may not a coincidence.

According to writer Jeff Sharlet, author "The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power" and a scheduled speaker at the upcoming American Atheists Convention, Bahati is involved with the secretive Christian group linked to powerful Washington, DC politicians including members of the U.S. House and Senate. Known as the "the Christian Mafia" and other monikers, the sect maintains a combination bunkhouse and retreat frequented by major public figures on C-Street where there is a constant cycle of Bible study sessions, prayer meetings and political discussions.

Sharlet told National Public Radio: "(The) legislator behind the bill, a guy named David Bahati, is a member of 'The Family.'
He appears to be a core member ... He organizes their Ugandan National Prayer Breakfast an African sort of student leadership program designed to create future leaders for Africa into which The Family has poured millions of dollars working through a very convoluted chain of linkages passing the money over to Uganda."

Sharlet predicted that the bill would "likely pass" and charged that President Musaveri was likely under influence from The Family.

The latest news about the C-Street theocrats raises questions about the groups sources of revenue, international reach, and -- given the stark, theocratic and dictatorial nature of the Uganda measures --what key legislators linked to "The Family" have in mind for America.

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Links and resources used in this AANEWS story:

The Secret Political Reach Of 'The Family'
<http://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=120746516>
The fundamentalist group The Family has operated secretively with the help of influential congressmen and senators who are members of the group to promote their anti-gay, anti-abortion, pro-free-market ideas in America and other parts of the world, but two sex scandals involving people connected with The Family -Nevada Senator John Ensign and South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford - have brought public attention to the group.

Author: Anti-gay Ugandan politicians are members of 'The Family'
<http://rawstory.com/2009/12/author-c-street-tied-to-uganda-law/>
Several days ago, RAW STORY reported on a proposed law in Uganda that would execute homosexuals thought to be HIV positive, or for repeat "offenses." According to U.S. author and Harper's contributing editor Jeff Sharlet, a secretive group of American politicians are supporting the Ugandan lawmakers who are leading the charge to see the draconian bill become law.

United States Ties to Uganda Anti-Gay Bill (VIDEO)Rachel Maddow is joined by Jeff Sharlet, who reveals the role of The Family in promoting the bill.
<http://airamerica.com/therachelmaddowshow/blog/12-01-2009/watch-us-ties-uganda-anti-gay-bill/>
The government of Uganda is considering passing a new law that would put to death by hanging any "serial offender" of gay sex and any HIV-positive person found to commit a homosexual act. In addition, any citizen having knowledge of a gay person but not reporting that knowledge to the government could face three years in prison

The Fellowship: A Secret Christian Fundamentalist Organization <http://www.fogcityjournal.com/wordpress/2009/11/30/the-fellowship-a-secretive-christian-fundementalist-organization/>
There is a secretive group known as "The Fellowship," or "The Family," one of the most powerful, well-connected Christian fundamentalist movements in the United States. The Fellowship's membership includes congressmen, corporate leaders, generals and foreign heads of state. The Fellowship is anti-labor, anti-gay, and pro-life. It is also anti-communist, but not necessarily a firm believer in democracy. Rather, it favors a totalitarianism for Christ, a sort of Christian theocracy. In foreign policy, it promotes a "soft" U.S. expansionism.

The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family:_The_Secret_Fundamentalism_at_the_Heart_of_American_Power>
Wikipedia entry, includes useful links.

Jeff Sharlet slated for American Atheists Convention, April, 2010 <http://www.atheists.org/events/National_Convention>

Uganda is just the start. They want dead gays everywhere. Is this the Christian way? I think not.

Why do they want mandatory testing of lezzas for HIV?

If there's one group likely to be safe from aids it's them.

Once more it seems that religion defines who one is required to hate rather than anything else.

This heinous bill is not just designed against HIV+ gays, but rather it is against homosexuality in general. Since the article disperses the various provisions of this bill in its text, here is a more complete description of its provisions:

"The provisions of the bill are: life term in prison for one homosexual act. Option of the death penalty for “aggravated homosexuality”, which includes relations with a minor or a disabled person; repeated homosexual acts; and if the offender (initiator of the act) has HIV, or uses drugs or alcohol to procure sex.

The bill further bans the promotion of homosexuality, and proposes a 3-year prison term for anyone failing to report homosexuals to the police."

[www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?idCategory=34&idsub=158&id=23602&t=Uganda%3A+Anti-Homosexuality+bill+likely+to+pass]

I wonder is the Archbishop of Canterbury has the bollocks to eject the Ugandan Church from the Anglican Communion over this?

It's amusing to hear pontificating about Western permissiveness and "introducing unAfrican ideas" when it's good, old-fashioned African ideas and behaviours that have helped to make it the continent the AIDS-racked mess it is.

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Originally posted by Thud357L:
Uganda is just the start. They want dead gays everywhere. Is this the Christian way? I think not.

Come now, in the history of Christian expansionism the policy has been (where they can get away with it) if you can't convert them, kill 'em. More converts have been "won" at the point of the sword than any other means since the 4th Century. It's a very competitive religion. I'm not surprised at all by the proposed legislation nor that it appears it could have been fueled by an element of our own Christian right with political clout. "Make disciples", you know. Or else! Clean things up to create some kind of pseudo Biblical culture... it's gone on and on and on for a long time (started here with the Puritans "City on a Hill" motif.) When has more of God (any god) made things better?

More on this story here:

++++http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#34266794

She's a slightly scary woman isn't she? And a bit partisan by the standards I'm used to but it is a fairly nasty little story and I am once again reminded of how much a certain sort of evangelist (and their political hangers on) make my skin crawl.
To put anti-condom religious dogma before a tried and tested successful anti-HIV campaign is to my mind far more "immoral" than homosexuality, but then fundamentalist religion has always had a peculiar morality all of its own.

The BBC World Service (search for "Uganda" on bbc.co.uk, third item down) has an interesting but depressing account of how Uganda has been backsliding in it's fight against AIDS.
Perhaps the most depressing thing of all though is that this backslide is actually being used as evidence against advising the use of condoms.

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Originally posted by Bladensburg:
She's a slightly scary woman isn't she? And a bit partisan by the standards I'm used to but it is a fairly nasty little story and I am once again reminded of how much a certain sort of evangelist (and their political hangers on) make my skin crawl.
To put anti-condom religious dogma before a tried and tested successful anti-HIV campaign is to my mind far more "immoral" than homosexuality, but then fundamentalist religion has always had a peculiar morality all of its own.

The BBC World Service (search for "Uganda" on bbc.co.uk, third item down) has an interesting but depressing account of how Uganda has been backsliding in it's fight against AIDS.
Perhaps the most depressing thing of all though is that this backslide is actually being used as evidence against advising the use of condoms.

Oh, no doubt Maddow is partisan, but no more or less than her peers over at FOX. She is not afraid of taking on the gay issues, since she is also gay. When such a ‘cabal’ as billbright calls the boys from C-street and their sponsors can have such sway over certain politicians and can then set government agenda; I’m encouraged that someone in the media has an eye on them. Granted her audience is small, but think what we wouldn’t know were it not for her willingness to shed some light on the C-street ‘cabal’.

I'll check out the bbc article. Thanks

The radio excerpt I pointed out is actually not the one I thought it was, sorry, it's a short account of the present situation with regards anti-retrovirals, cost and the effect of Ladies of Negotiable Affection. I can't find the programme I was looking for, which was a half-hour profile of Uganda. Most odd.

By the way "Discussing Uganda" used to be a libel-avoiding euphemism for shagging in sections British press (still is in the satirical magazine Private Eye), this little story adds an extra frisson.

Rachel Maddow: Uganda Be Kidding Me

This week Rachel Maddow has tackled the proposed antigay Ugandan bill that would call for the death of gays and lesbians in many scenarios if passed.

In three segments titled "Uganda Be Kidding Me," she details the bill's hateful rhetoric and exposes three Americans credited with inspiring the bill.

Watch the videos here.

>>>http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2009/12/04/Maddow_Uganda_Be_Kidding_Me/

Strange bedfellows...

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Exodus International, a branch of an American evangelical group who claim to be able to help homosexuals "overcome" same-sex attractions, has also contacted Uganda's president to protest the bill.

In a letter dated Nov. 16, Alan Chambers, Randy Thomas and other prominent Exodus figures write:

"If homosexual behavior and knowledge of such behavior is criminalized and prosecuted, as proposed in this bill, church and ministry leaders will be unable to assist hurting men, women and youth who might otherwise seek help in addressing this personal issue."

http://www.care2.com/causes/human-rights/blog/uganda-gay-death-penalty-law-update-church-and-religious-institutions-weigh-in/

Muslim nations also require deeath foe homosexuals. Cuba has "leper colony style" camps for "gay" persons and/or AIDS carriers where they remain untreated. Why not cite these too in this post, or does this Ugandan actr trump everyone else's bigotry?

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Originally posted by peter3_1:
Muslim nations also require deeath foe homosexuals. Cuba has "leper colony style" camps for "gay" persons and/or AIDS carriers where they remain untreated. Why not cite these too in this post, or does this Ugandan actr trump everyone else's bigotry?

I think that it's the involvement of American legislators and money that has irked some people, it is somewhat nasty of them to promote laws in a foreign country that would be considered egregious in their own country (unless of course this is the kind of law they like to see in the US).
For my part I expect better of Commonwealth countries on both a moral/ethical level and a practical level. For example this law would be very easily corrupted for "Witch Hunting" political opponents as a similar law has been used in that other Commonwealth country, Malaysia.

Makes sense, but there's danmed little anyone caan do with Uganda. They seem to have a peculiar desire to kill oneanother off completely. Leaving the nation to gthe elephants.....

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Originally posted by peter3_1:
Makes sense, but there's danmed little anyone caan do with Uganda. They seem to have a peculiar desire to kill oneanother off completely. Leaving the nation to gthe elephants.....

Frankly the most surprising thing about Africa is that no matter how beastly they are to one another they're still there 100,000 years after the ancestors of the rest of the species said "Bugger this for a lark, I'm going somewhere saner, I hear Siberia is nice!"

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Originally posted by reducetension:

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Originally posted by Thud357L:
Uganda is just the start. They want dead gays everywhere. Is this the Christian way? I think not.

Come now, in the history of Christian expansionism the policy has been (where they can get away with it) if you can't convert them, kill 'em. More converts have been "won" at the point of the sword than any other means since the 4th Century. It's a very competitive religion. I'm not surprised at all by the proposed legislation nor that it appears it could have been fueled by an element of our own Christian right with political clout. "Make disciples", you know. Or else! Clean things up to create some kind of pseudo Biblical culture... it's gone on and on and on for a long time (started here with the Puritans "City on a Hill" motif.) When has more of God (any god) made things better?

Oh, I'm totally aware that many Christians are totally abhorrent of the actual teachings of Christ but are steeped in such fear that they give a couple of hours of lip service one day a week so that they can spend the other six days serving the much more sensible Satan who is perfectly agreeable to pompous self aggrandizement, rabid acquisition, greed and gluttony to name a few of the norms.

I'm not sure Old Nick himself would claim some African leaders as his own (or a great many Western politicians and religious types).

Even he's got standards.

Uganda is going down a truly scary path.

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Originally posted by dupontgaf:
Uganda is going down a truly scary path.

And being led down the path by American Christian "leaders"...

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Originally posted by IHAWKER:
Rachel Maddow: Uganda Be Kidding Me

This week Rachel Maddow has tackled the proposed antigay Ugandan bill that would call for the death of gays and lesbians in many scenarios if passed.

In three segments titled "Uganda Be Kidding Me," she details the bill's hateful rhetoric and exposes three Americans credited with inspiring the bill.

Watch the videos here.

>>>http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2009/12/04/Maddow_Uganda_Be_Kidding_Me/

Thanx for the non-link. It has a good number of interesting stories.

A rather ironic story of the actions taken in Uganda happened also in Chitown a few days ago. They deliberetly poisened all the fish in the canals leading into Lake Michigan just to kill one asian carp. Bad fish these asian carp, they devour all the food and plankton that sustain other species of fish.
I know it's not the same, fish vs aids infected homosexuals but the threat was/is the same.

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Originally posted by SignalSgtWilliams:
A rather ironic story of the actions taken in Uganda happened also in Chitown a few days ago. They deliberetly poisened all the fish in the canals leading into Lake Michigan just to kill one asian carp. Bad fish these asian carp, they devour all the food and plankton that sustain other species of fish.
I know it's not the same, fish vs aids infected homosexuals but the threat was/is the same.

Um-m-mmm. Whut?

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Originally posted by billbright:

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Originally posted by SignalSgtWilliams:
A rather ironic story of the actions taken in Uganda happened also in Chitown a few days ago. They deliberetly poisened all the fish in the canals leading into Lake Michigan just to kill one asian carp. Bad fish these asian carp, they devour all the food and plankton that sustain other species of fish.
I know it's not the same, fish vs aids infected homosexuals but the threat was/is the same.

Um-m-mmm. Whut?

I knew you'd read into it. Who's next?????

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Originally posted by SignalSgtWilliams:
I knew you'd read into it. Who's next?????

Maybe you'd better read the label on whatever you're stuffing into yourself, pard.

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Originally posted by billbright:

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Originally posted by SignalSgtWilliams:
I knew you'd read into it. Who's next?????

Maybe you'd better read the label on whatever you're stuffing into yourself, pard.

I guess you missed the similarities.

I missed it, too, SSW. Not surprising that your usual anti-gay message would be garbled in transmission.

Since you evidently failed to read what Uganda was proposing, you missed the part about the death penalty for gays NOT just being related to AIDS infected individuals, but for gays who (gasp!) dare to have repeated sex, even with a consenting adult. Or, perhaps you're okay with that and the other provisions of the proposed Ugandan law. That wouldn't surprise me, either.

Here are the provisions, again:

"The provisions of the bill are: life term in prison for one homosexual act. Option of the death penalty for “aggravated homosexuality”, which includes relations with a minor or a disabled person; repeated homosexual acts; and if the offender (initiator of the act) has HIV, or uses drugs or alcohol to procure sex.

The bill further bans the promotion of homosexuality, and proposes a 3-year prison term for anyone failing to report homosexuals to the police."

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Originally posted by dupontgaf:
I missed it, too, SSW. Not surprising that your usual vehemently anti-gay message would be garbled in transmission.

Since you evidently failed to read what Uganda was proposing, you missed the part about the death penalty for gays NOT just being related to AIDS infected individuals, but for gays who (gasp!) dare to have repeated sex, even with a consenting adult. Or, perhaps you're okay with that and the other provisions of the proposed Ugandan law. That wouldn't surprise me, either.

Here are the provisions, again:

"The provisions of the bill are: life term in prison for one homosexual act. Option of the death penalty for “aggravated homosexuality”, which includes relations with a minor or a disabled person; repeated homosexual acts; and if the offender (initiator of the act) has HIV, or uses drugs or alcohol to procure sex.

The bill further bans the promotion of homosexuality, and proposes a 3-year prison term for anyone failing to report homosexuals to the police."

I read the whole article but the very first comment:

"In the face of growing international protests, Uganda is considering legislation that would mandate the death penalty for men with HIV deemed guilty of so-called "aggravated homosexuality."

states the result intended.

HIV is rampant throughout Africa. Homosexuals in africa are not as responsible for their actions and conduct as they are here. We do have a law for delibertetly having sex as an infected HIV carrier. People go to prison here too.
People far too often judge other countries policies and leaders without realizing they full intent of the situation or the person. Europe loves Obama, do we? Well, Jack does but that's Jack.
When it comes to genocide of a race/minority/class this will not be accepted throughout the free world but like those fish in the Chitown canals, something had to be done to save other species of life.

SSW, surely you know that the vast majority of AIDS cases in Africa stem from heterosexual contact. Or perhaps you don't realize that. Look it up before you ride off on your anti-gay high horse next time.

In any event, you failed to comment about the Ugandan laws NOT just being applied to HIV infected homosexuals (but not heterosexuals?) but to ALL homosexuals. Incidentally, is that what you'd like to see in the U.S., too?

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Originally posted by dupontgaf:
SSW, surely you know that the vast majority of AIDS cases in Africa stem from heterosexual contact. Or perhaps you don't realize that. Look it up before you ride off on your anti-gay high horse next time.

In any event, you failed to comment about the Ugandan laws NOT just being applied to HIV infected homosexuals (but not heterosexuals?) but to ALL homosexuals. Incidentally, is that what you'd like to see in the U.S., too?

Of course it's among the hetrosexuals, no way to avoid it not happening. The men are so promiscuous and irresponsible, they have no concern about passing anything to their wives and children.
Nothing like that will happen here, we are suppose to be civilised, educated and responsible plus, we do have prison time avaialble for those that do as they do in Africa here.
I was not anti-gay but since my beliefs conflict with homosexuality, I've been branded a homophobic so....might as well play the part well.