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Originally posted by skinman13:


I made my point. I will discuss any of these issues, but not in this kind of ambush style format...

The leading gambit has been countered, now the next move is his...or anybody else's who seriously wants to discuss these issues.

Moving on...

It is not an ambush, just share your thoughts of how you would better America? I did it!

The laft will either never answer, or they will lie. The reason is that they do not want you to have a CHOICE to do other than they want. To get you to conform to their immage of the workers paradiuce they'll re educate you, and that failing, kill you. Not that the rank and file of the leftists think like that, but their blessed leadership DOES.

Here is what collectiveism and socialism ultimately leads to.

www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/POSTWWII.HTM

www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM

Now at that second link scroll down to
"How can we understand all this killing by communists?" and read from there.

It is important to read too "But what connects them all is this. As a government's power is more unrestrained, as its' power reaches into all the corners of culture and scociety, and it is less democratic, then the more likely it is to kill its own citizens. ............" and include in your readind the final paragraph of this chapter "Communism...... .It failed utterly and in doing so killed over 100,000,000 men, women and children....." and "But there is a lesson to be learned......That no one can be trusted with power. "

If this man, Dr. Rummel, cannot be understood by the posters at this site, we are in desperate straits.

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Originally posted by peter3_1:
The laft will either never answer, or they will lie. The reason is that they do not want you to have a CHOICE to do other than they want. To get you to conform to their immage of the workers paradiuce they'll re educate you, and that failing, kill you. Not that the rank and file of the leftists think like that, but their blessed leadership DOES.

Here is what collectiveism and socialism ultimately leads to.

www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/POSTWWII.HTM

www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM

Now at that second link scroll down to
"How can we understand all this killing by communists?" and read from there.

It is important to read too "But what connects them all is this. As a government's power is more unrestrained, as its' power reaches into all the corners of culture and scociety, and it is less democratic, then the more likely it is to kill its own citizens. ............" and include in your readind the final paragraph of this chapter "Communism...... .It failed utterly and in doing so killed over 100,000,000 men, women and children....." and "But there is a lesson to be learned......That no one can be trusted with power. "

If this man, Dr. Rummel, cannot be understood by the posters at this site, we are in desperate straits.

That was a lot of reading but it was a good read.

I agree with you. I don't understand how people don't get that big government is bad. You would think a liberal would be the first to stop government from getting into their homes, thier pockets, their rights. But they are willing to hand the government everything to get a free bandaid or free food. They either don't understand that this stuff doesn't grow on trees or they're blind to the consiquences (sp) of giving a government all this power over them.

Who would have thought the hippies from the 60's, who fought the govt. over everything are now the ones wanting the government to take care of them.

Confuses ones mind.

I believe your first sentence of your post. But I really do want to know. Maybe it would give me insite into how a liberal ticks. Maybe even help me like them.

All I hear are crickets there you liberals..... What's up? No plans? I'll leave you alone, I promise. Just punch out your plans so I know what you want for me.

I have one:

The Liberal plan is to whine and blame, and tell fables that follow what they think the mainstream voters want in order to get elected. Once elected they can fight the evil "gun owner" attack the wealthy, and of course find ways to fund illegal aliens as to encourage growth in America.

I almost forget, they need to kiss up to the other socialists and commie Nations in hope they will see us as their equals instead of a Nation of leaders and liberators.

Well... where do you and I fit in?

You don't think they would live without us do you?

Because I'm not folling that ship down crap creek.

1. Crime

Two facts:
a. The crime rate in the US is about twice as high as in the scandinavian countries.
b. The nr of imprisoned criminals in the US is about 10 times higher than in the scandinavian countries.

So for each conviction the US prison sentence is 5 times longer, and despite this the crimerate is higher. (and we are even omitting death sentences from the equation here)

From this I would conclude that increasing the length of prison sentences is not likely to bring the crime rate down. There must be something else making crime a tempting option, and with a difference that great that something should be noticable.

Not being american the below 'somethings' are just guesses, based on differences I see between US and scandinavian conditions.
Cultural:

Glorifying mavericks. The lone hero balancing on the edge of the law (and often over it).

Admiration for vigilantes. By my rules a vigilante is just a fool, but the number of US movies celebrating vigilates are staggering (Death Wish 1,2,3... and many others).

Bonnie&Clyde, Thelma&Louise, ... Even outright criminals get portraied a heroes as long as they "do it their way".
Social:

A high frustration level fueled by omnipresent advertising telling people how unhappy, smelly, undesirable, deprived and poor they are.

Condemnation of those jobless or without means pushing them outside of society so they must seek respect elsewhere.

A meritocracy ideal eroded by uneven schooling and by too much emphasis on nepotism and social networks making it all too easy for nitvits to gain high positions while highly competent people have trouble earning lawfull income (It takes brains and skill to plan a bank robbery)

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That was just one of your points, and not really a step by step recipe. Still to bring crime down I would claim that focusing on those 6 points would be beneficial.

regards JakobA

"Good is better than bad cause its nicer" Mammy Yokum (as related by Al Capp)

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Originally posted by JakobA_DK:
1. Crime

Two facts:
a. The crime rate in the US is about twice as high as in the scandinavian countries.
b. The nr of imprisoned criminals in the US is about 10 times higher than in the scandinavian countries.

So for each conviction the US prison sentence is 5 times longer, and despite this the crimerate is higher. (and we are even omitting death sentences from the equation here)

From this I would conclude that increasing the length of prison sentences is not likely to bring the crime rate down. There must be something else making crime a tempting option, and with a difference that great that something should be noticable.

Not being american the below 'somethings' are just guesses, based on differences I see between US and scandinavian conditions.
Cultural:

Glorifying mavericks. The lone hero balancing on the edge of the law (and often over it).

Admiration for vigilantes. By my rules a vigilante is just a fool, but the number of US movies celebrating vigilates are staggering (Death Wish 1,2,3... and many others).

Bonnie&Clyde, Thelma&Louise, ... Even outright criminals get portraied a heroes as long as they "do it their way".
Social:

A high frustration level fueled by omnipresent advertising telling people how unhappy, smelly, undesirable, deprived and poor they are.

Condemnation of those jobless or without means pushing them outside of society so they must seek respect elsewhere.

A meritocracy ideal eroded by uneven schooling and by too much emphasis on nepotism and social networks making it all too easy for nitvits to gain high positions while highly competent people have trouble earning lawfull income (It takes brains and skill to plan a bank robbery)

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That was just one of your points, and not really a step by step recipe. Still to bring crime down I would claim that focusing on those 6 points would be beneficial.

regards JakobA

Thank you for your post. But it's important that you know that these aren't "my" points. I guess I can't say it enough that I'm trying to find out exactly what liberals think we need to do to solve problems. Debating these topics doesn't work. It gives them an excuse to not answer the questions.

I've read a couple of your other posts and I'm pretty sure your not a liberal because you typically make sense to me. But as far as this thread goes the post really doesn't say what to do, it does say what causes the problem, and what the problem is. And I have to say, I do agree with you.

I have an idea on how to solve the countries crime problem but I don't want to start a debate, I want answers from liberals on what they think we should do, if anything.

I'll wait....There's got to be one liberal out there that actually has a (summery)plan that doesn't involve bashing Bush or crying about everything.

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Originally posted by scoutsout1:
1. Crime
Put the true criminals in super strict prisons with no entertainment at all for a very long time, and for excersise daily, breakin rocks, building homeless shelters, and whatever other types of repairs that could use some free labor to ease the taxburden. Rapo's and Chomo's would be locked up for life since they are known to be incurable and usually admitt they are a threat to society.

I agree with this to an extent. I do believe we should be using our prisoners more to boost up our sagging infrastructure. The high percentage of people in US prisons and the racial disparity in incarceration needs to change. Stop locking up non violent drug offenders would be a good start.

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2. Drugs
The current laws seem to safice, they just need to be upheld and enforced properly.

I have to disagree with you there. The war on drugs is more lost than the “war on terror”. The “war on drugs” is better described as “herding cats made of jello”. Decriminalize most drugs, especially marijuana. What happened to a little “personal choice” in this country?

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3. illegal immagration
A GIANT WALL with lots of security patrols to catch those who dig or buy a ladder. Better to chase a limited few than the unlimited number that cross now with no obstruction in their way.

A three thousand mile wall? Hmmm, not so much I think. Not even a first step I think…immigration is a tough one. We like having our “slave labor” in this country. We don’t want to see the price of oranges skyrocket.

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4. as President
To much to answer here, I guess the main priorities would be to continue fighting the extremists terrorists elements and to get the border fixed.

that heading is a little too broad…

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5. the war on terror
Continue fighting the fight as well as trying to get World support for the cause.

cats made of jello…It sure would have been nice to have gone after the “terrorists” in the first place. (you know, the ones that actually “got us” ). Hey, I hear the Taliban is on the rise again and Al Qaeda is as strong, if not stronger, than ever. Definitely time to change tactics on that one. Stomping around willy nilly in the Middle East certainly doesn’t seem to be the answer.

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6. education
Add camera's to all classrooms pronto, then get books that were as accurate in history as possibl. I would do my best to ward off the seculars and their push to teach everybody's kids about the bennifits and excitement of alternative lifestyles.

YIKES! Talk about a “nanny state”. Cameras in the classroom? I won’t argue that there are some definite education reforms that need to be done. Federal policy on education should act principally to ensure equal access to a quality education for ALL. It is time to invest in education, and start placing it at the top of our social and economic agenda.

Can’t finish the list, gotta get ready for work…

Thank you for a response SeaWitch.

If you don't mind, I just want to ask a couple of questions on your responses to the things scoutsout1 had listed. If you don't answer, it's fine.

On crime you mention not locking up "non violent drug offenders". Are you wanting to legalize the use of drugs? Or are you saying keep the laws the same as they are now? You've combined the crime and drugs together, that's why I ask about the laws.

Please don't think I'm looking for long answers, I don't want any of you libs to think I need a book or a cut and paste fest. And I promise I won't debate your answers.

On illegal imm., you didn't say anything. Wall? no wall? Nothing? Legalize them? kick them out?... You have to have some thought on it. It's debated over and over here.

On the war on terror; I promised I wouldn't give my opinion on what you said and I'm gonna stand by it. But come on, the fact is were there. We're fighting. What do you think we should do? You are very strong in your hatred against the war. You have to have some idea on how to get us out?

On education you mention 'equal education for ALL", and at the top of the list. I agree with you in principle. But please say (again, I'm not looking for a book) how you would get it done. If your asnwers are as short as just saying, "taxes" or "social programs", or "mandates", that's fine. I just need answers from a liberal point of view.

Thanks again for the post

The more ya'll tell me on how you want me to live, I can make a better judgement on how much I need to fight you or listen to you.

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by scoutsout1:

<SNIP>

YIKES! Talk about a “nanny state”. Cameras in the classroom? I won’t argue that there are some definite education reforms that need to be done. Federal policy on education should act principally to ensure equal access to a quality education for ALL. It is time to invest in education, and start placing it at the top of our social and economic agenda.

Can’t finish the list, gotta get ready for work…

With all the problems that keep arising in the schools, we need better security, monitoring, and thorough back ground checks on people who are responsible for/ work with children. If I can not walk through Wal Mart or anyware else without scratching my azz on camera, what makes our childrens classrooms exempt from the overseeing eye?

It is just one of things that needs to be added in the schools of today.

The Leftie Plan For America:

1. Federal Gov paid health care.
2. Make love not war. Have a chat with the Islamo Fascists.
3. Increase Social Security benfits.
4. Spend more on education.
5. Raise the minium wage to $12.00 hr.
6. Mandatory 35 hr work week/4 wks vacation.
7. 40mpg CAFE law
8. No drilling in ANWR & No Nuke Plants.
9. CFL lighting mandatory.
10. More $$$$ for farmers.

All paid for by taxing the rich more. Simple, Hillary for President.

Coming says:

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On crime you mention not locking up "non violent drug offenders". Are you wanting to legalize the use of drugs? Or are you saying keep the laws the same as they are now? You've combined the crime and drugs together, that's why I ask about the laws.

Please don't think I'm looking for long answers, I don't want any of you libs to think I need a book or a cut and paste fest. And I promise I won't debate your answers.

So you don't want to discuss this? You just want to hear a simple yes or no? Whatta laugh. Don't be surprised if nobody wants to play your "gotcha" game.

So you disapprove of legalizing marijuana and taxing the bejeebus out of it? You think it was a bad idea to legalize alcohol and tax the bejeebus out of it? You think it's great that $10 to 15 billion a year in marijuana trade goes unregulated and that all of that money goes into the pockets of criminals and that we spend another $20 to 30 billion trying to stop it? Yes or no?

Please, no long answers or cuttin' and pastin'. Thanks.

Damn berlin, I think your paronoid of something. Calm down. This isn't what I believe, it's what you believe and what you want to change. Can't you handle free reign? Or do you need to be governed by politicians? I hear there's some other countries that do that pretty darned good.

I'm not playing a gotcha game here spankey. So leave your crap on another thread. I don't expect anything from you. I've seen a lot of your posts. It's always the same ol crap. Hell, I was totally impressed that Witch would even have attempted to say something.

I would give my opinion on how to fix the "drug" / "crime" problem in the country but then you'd say it was just more RW bull****. So here's your options. Stay away from this thread, or thow down something better than your typical liberal dribble.

But it is a free country....You can continue to spew garbage if you'd like..It's not like I want to stop you or anything..

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Originally posted by Berlin93:
Coming says:

quote:

On crime you mention not locking up "non violent drug offenders". Are you wanting to legalize the use of drugs? Or are you saying keep the laws the same as they are now? You've combined the crime and drugs together, that's why I ask about the laws.

Please don't think I'm looking for long answers, I don't want any of you libs to think I need a book or a cut and paste fest. And I promise I won't debate your answers.

So you don't want to discuss this? You just want to hear a simple yes or no? Whatta laugh. Don't be surprised if nobody wants to play your "gotcha" game.

So you disapprove of legalizing marijuana and taxing the bejeebus out of it? You think it was a bad idea to legalize alcohol and tax the bejeebus out of it? You think it's great that $10 to 15 billion a year in marijuana trade goes unregulated and that all of that money goes into the pockets of criminals and that we spend another $20 to 30 billion trying to stop it? Yes or no?

Please, no long answers or cuttin' and pastin'. Thanks.

You have some big figures here. It is amazing how many people would break the law all in the name of personal enjoyment. It is no wonder why we as a society have such a hard time holding people accountable for breaking the laws of the land since there are so many people doing it. As a law abiding citizen how do you decide which laws are valid and which ones are bunk? Trying to get drug abuse legalized is just ones way of trying to justify the fix!!!

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Originally posted by comingofage:
Damn berlin, I think your paronoid of something. Calm down. This isn't what I believe, it's what you believe and what you want to change. Can't you handle free reign? Or do you need to be governed by politicians? I hear there's some other countries that do that pretty darned good.

I'm not playing a gotcha game here spankey. So leave your crap on another thread. I don't expect anything from you. I've seen a lot of your posts. It's always the same ol crap. Hell, I was totally impressed that Witch would even have attempted to say something.

I would give my opinion on how to fix the "drug" / "crime" problem in the country but then you'd say it was just more RW bull****. So here's your options. Stay away from this thread, or thow down something better than your typical liberal dribble.

But it is a free country....You can continue to spew garbage if you'd like..It's not like I want to stop you or anything..

Hey, hey, hey Spanky, calm down. You said you didn't like long answers, so I just asked for a simple yes or no to a few questions.

All you had to do was answer yes or no. Instead you tapdanced for a few paragraphs.

Guess that means you're embarrassed to admit that you think legalizing alcohol was a bad idea. C'mon, we won't give you tooooo hard a time for preferring GOP Kool Ade to beer.

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Originally posted by Berlin93:

quote:

Originally posted by comingofage:
Damn berlin, I think your paronoid of something. Calm down. This isn't what I believe, it's what you believe and what you want to change. Can't you handle free reign? Or do you need to be governed by politicians? I hear there's some other countries that do that pretty darned good.

I'm not playing a gotcha game here spankey. So leave your crap on another thread. I don't expect anything from you. I've seen a lot of your posts. It's always the same ol crap. Hell, I was totally impressed that Witch would even have attempted to say something.

I would give my opinion on how to fix the "drug" / "crime" problem in the country but then you'd say it was just more RW bull****. So here's your options. Stay away from this thread, or thow down something better than your typical liberal dribble.

But it is a free country....You can continue to spew garbage if you'd like..It's not like I want to stop you or anything..

Hey, hey, hey Spanky, calm down. You said you didn't like long answers, so I just asked for a simple yes or no to a few questions.

All you had to do was answer yes or no. Instead you tapdanced for a few paragraphs.

Guess that means you're embarrassed to admit that you think legalizing alcohol was a bad idea. C'mon, we won't give you tooooo hard a time for preferring GOP Kool Ade to beer.

Was alcohol not legal before it was illegal? There is a difference between illegal narcotics and alcohol, it is like comparing apples to oranges.

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Originally posted by scoutsout1:

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Originally posted by Berlin93:

quote:

Originally posted by comingofage:
Damn berlin, I think your paronoid of something. Calm down. This isn't what I believe, it's what you believe and what you want to change. Can't you handle free reign? Or do you need to be governed by politicians? I hear there's some other countries that do that pretty darned good.

I'm not playing a gotcha game here spankey. So leave your crap on another thread. I don't expect anything from you. I've seen a lot of your posts. It's always the same ol crap. Hell, I was totally impressed that Witch would even have attempted to say something.

I would give my opinion on how to fix the "drug" / "crime" problem in the country but then you'd say it was just more RW bull****. So here's your options. Stay away from this thread, or thow down something better than your typical liberal dribble.

But it is a free country....You can continue to spew garbage if you'd like..It's not like I want to stop you or anything..

Hey, hey, hey Spanky, calm down. You said you didn't like long answers, so I just asked for a simple yes or no to a few questions.

All you had to do was answer yes or no. Instead you tapdanced for a few paragraphs.

Guess that means you're embarrassed to admit that you think legalizing alcohol was a bad idea. C'mon, we won't give you tooooo hard a time for preferring GOP Kool Ade to beer.

Was alcohol not legal before it was illegal? There is a difference between illegal narcotics and alcohol, it is like comparing apples to oranges.

Ummmmm... marijuana was legal before it was illegal. It's legal right now in some parts of the world. And you better sit down 'cause this is gonna rock your world... 3/4 of the folks in the room you're in are CRIMIN-IN-AMALS because they've tried it.

Just like 3/4 of America kept drinking alcohol during Prohibition. Beer is as much an "illegal narcotic" as marijuana is.

This is off topic but how many know that coca cola contained cocaine at one time???

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from original post by comingofargo
I've read a couple of your other posts and I'm pretty sure your not a liberal because you typically make sense to me.

If liberals are nonsensical by definition, dont that make your thread question sort of futile and illogical ?

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Originally posted by JakobA_DK:

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from original post by comingofargo
I've read a couple of your other posts and I'm pretty sure your not a liberal because you typically make sense to me.

If liberals are nonsensical by definition, dont that make your thread question sort of futile and illogical ?

Yes it does. And from what I've recieved, what you say seems to be true. But here's why I did it.

We who actually think about the outcome of situations argue with liberals all the time. They always say "our" plans suck.. or something to that effect. But we never get anything back other than insults and insinuation (sp).

I really thought about it and this was the only way I could figure to get them to open up and actually stand by an idea that has meat in it.

I do want more responses because I'm seeing what I thought I'd see but there's got to be one liberal that has actual ideas that are reasonable and could (if I drank enough, or if Berlin smoked enough) would make sense.

Yes moe, I knew about coke.

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Originally posted by comingofage:

quote:

Originally posted by JakobA_DK:

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from original post by comingofargo
I've read a couple of your other posts and I'm pretty sure your not a liberal because you typically make sense to me.

If liberals are nonsensical by definition, dont that make your thread question sort of futile and illogical ?

Yes it does. And from what I've recieved, what you say seems to be true. But here's why I did it.

We who actually think about the outcome of situations argue with liberals all the time. They always say "our" plans suck.. or something to that effect. But we never get anything back other than insults and insinuation (sp).

I really thought about it and this was the only way I could figure to get them to open up and actually stand by an idea that has meat in it.

I do want more responses because I'm seeing what I thought I'd see but there's got to be one liberal that has actual ideas that are reasonable and could (if I drank enough, or if Berlin smoked enough) would make sense.

Yes moe, I knew about coke.

I was pointing out "Liberals are nonsensical" as your preconcieved opinion through witch you filter any responses you get.

That is not a good starting point for a dialog. I expect it explains why skinman talk about hostility and ambushing, and why he refuse to participate in this thread. Incidentally I greatly respect skinman for his insights and knowledge.
I only wish he was a bit more liberal

There are a few decent Lefty's around that have some decent thoughts and ideas. The problem is the majority are fruit loop socialists that have no clue, just flawed opinion.

Well, still no "answers" I see. As for out crime rate as compared to Sweden, etal, Sweden has a population of 9,000,000+-, Denmark 5,400,000, Norway 4,500,000. That's 20,000,000 more or less over three sovreign nations

CALIFORNIA over 36,000,000 all by itself. Los Angeles has a population of 9,900,000. The illegal immegrent population is about 20,000,000 all by itself. We have 3,200,000 Chinese Americans, and so on.

The total pop. of the USA exceeds 300,000,000 today.

The clash of cultures, the intentional export of criminals by some of our Soutrhern Neighbors (CUBA a big example, the MS-13 Gangs) and others (Russia, for example has turned Brighton Beach NY into a minor organized crime capital) are sending those citizend they don't want here.

That the USA can absorb this diversity, influx of criminals, clashing cultures with a crime and violence rate that low is what is amazing.

The left wants to take America the way of Europe and Canada. Which is fine if you are not willing to not work for your meal and have others who do feed you.

Please note I feel the (truely) mentally disabled, (truely) physically diabled, Vets and elderly should be taken care of. The rest should get off their *sses and get to work. Poor as we were we all made it with hard work, including two jobs at min. wage for quite some time in our early years.

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Originally posted by JakobA_DK:

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Originally posted by comingofage:

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Originally posted by JakobA_DK:

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from original post by comingofargo
I've read a couple of your other posts and I'm pretty sure your not a liberal because you typically make sense to me.

If liberals are nonsensical by definition, dont that make your thread question sort of futile and illogical ?

Yes it does. And from what I've recieved, what you say seems to be true. But here's why I did it.

We who actually think about the outcome of situations argue with liberals all the time. They always say "our" plans suck.. or something to that effect. But we never get anything back other than insults and insinuation (sp).

I really thought about it and this was the only way I could figure to get them to open up and actually stand by an idea that has meat in it.

I do want more responses because I'm seeing what I thought I'd see but there's got to be one liberal that has actual ideas that are reasonable and could (if I drank enough, or if Berlin smoked enough) would make sense.

Yes moe, I knew about coke.

I was pointing out "Liberals are nonsensical" as your preconcieved opinion through witch you filter any responses you get.

That is not a good starting point for a dialog. I expect it explains why skinman talk about hostility and ambushing, and why he refuse to participate in this thread. Incidentally I greatly respect skinman for his insights and knowledge.
I only wish he was a bit more liberal

Obviously I didn't read enough of your past posts. My bad!

So because the liberals think...oh wait...know that I have preconcieved opinions, they're going to come at me with hostility? And maybe that's the reason I'm not getting any responses? Or maybe I'm not worthy of such great insightof the much superior liberal mind.... Yea, that's it.

What a crock of ****. It's called defense. What's the first thing most libs do when put against a wall? Defend themselves. The only thing is, is I'm not putting anybody up against a wall. I absolutely won't get into an arguement with anybody who puts up an idea, plan, I don't care what you call it.

Are liberals afraid of saying exactly what they want? I'm not. I'll tell anybody who asks me exactly what I think and exactly to the best of my knowlege what I think could be done about it. Does that mean I'm right? F no it doesn't. I'm trying to keep my mouth shut and find out WTF the liberals want. SO SAY WHAT YOU MEAN AND MEAN WHAT YOU SAY.

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Originally posted by moe1942:
This is off topic but how many know that coca cola contained cocaine at one time???

Cocaine too was legal before it was illegal. In the US it only became illegal in 1906 when the 1st Pure Food and Drug Act became law

comingofage >>
Ah well, I tried

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Originally posted by JakobA_DK:
[snip]
TThat is not a good starting point for a dialog. I expect it explains why skinman talk about hostility and ambushing, and why he refuse to participate in this thread.

That is correct. And, alcyone pointed that out in his first reply.

I didn't see this as an invitation to debate, but rather a statement that liberals would not debate because..."...the liberal responses are...typically a smart a$$ comeback with an insult on the persons intelligence, but rarely is there an answer."

That is not even a challenge, it is a statement that you are going to trash me and bash whatever point I make.

Now, why would I want to go there?

I would enjoy discussing these issues with you and the others, but not in this topic because you have already stated up front in your opening that it is an ambush...

whatever

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Originally posted by skinman13:

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Originally posted by JakobA_DK:
[snip]
TThat is not a good starting point for a dialog. I expect it explains why skinman talk about hostility and ambushing, and why he refuse to participate in this thread.

That is correct. And, alcyone pointed that out in his first reply.

I didn't see this as an invitation to debate, but rather a statement that liberals would not debate because..."...the liberal responses are...typically a smart a$$ comeback with an insult on the persons intelligence, but rarely is there an answer."

That is not even a challenge, it is a statement that you are going to trash me and bash whatever point I make.

Now, why would I want to go there?

I would enjoy discussing these issues with you and the others, but not in this topic because you have already stated up front in your opening that it is an ambush...

Your dodging the debate because he made it clear that he would not ambush in numerous posts within this thread. You have ideas or you don't. If you do have some ideas type them out, what do you have to loose? Nothing.