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Military.com Forums Hot Topics & Current Events Point-Counterpoint Where does the left want to take us?|
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Sea, I think Comingofage has found out the truth about the left. Your reasonable arguments are just a smokescreen. Admit it.
 First step, abolish religion and kill god. Second step, pollute our citizens with filth and unclean thoughts. Porn is good, but so is network television. Third, round up all conservatives and such and put them in reeducation camps. Kill those who don't swear alligence to the new gods, Stalin and Lenin and Uncle Ho, and of course, democrates. Use the bodies for fertilizer and interesting bone jewelery. Forth, with those undesirables out of the way, redisribute wealth immediately. Fifth, abolish cars and all technologies and make everyone work in tractor factories and state owned farms. Finally, re-write all textbooks to ensure future Americans are right thinking lefties. Distributing dangerious drugs is also helpful, free of charge. |
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 Why won't you open another post without the slam...are ya chicken?  |
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What are you? 10
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Me? No, I expect to be in Junior High soon.
Say, where does the Right want to take us? I hope somewhere else soon. Here is not such a good place, don't you think? |
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Lighten up...I'm just messin with ya some...
 If you don't want to split up the discussion, then that is cool...  Just don't come back later and accuse me of not wanting to debate these issues with you... BTW, I copy/pasted your points from the opening posts and added my comments when you put it up...I have just been waiting for a fair-field to post on. But, I will leave ya'll alone to agree with yourselves... Later |
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Start the post. I bet you get tons of imput. Plus that way you can get out of not saying anything. Until then: Over and over on threads I see comments from the left wing liberals that say we need to change direction, get out, pay for something...on and on... It's either about the war, economy, healthcare, immigration, etc... Almost everytime I see a question from a conservative about these things, the liberal responses are (not all) typically a smart a$$ comeback with an insult on the persons intelligence, but rarely is there an answer. So here you go libs, here's your shot. If you're a proud liberal, let us know what you would do about the screwed up country. You know the war, economy, oil, people like me, healthcare, the constitution, guns, crime,Bush, gays, abortion, etc... PICK YOUR POISON. 10 bucks says when others read your posts, your Socialism is going to be the scum on the top of the pond.  |
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What did you go and tell him the real agenda for?!? |
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My point is this - If this was Iraq the Democrats would would get taken by some far right group, video taped, and the heads would get sawed off. Then the far left liberal would load a car with TNT and drive into the Republican Convention yelling prase ACLU.
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I just wanted to remind all you Lefties, and rightwingers that Iraq-mideast-ala chanting muslims do think differently than us (U.S.) I have my opinions and personal morals. I think this comes down to us or them. I think there is no chance of peace. My way of thinking is a result of spending time in that neck of the sands. I dont know to much about politics. And now I dont care to pay attention because I get so angry that I am scared I will fall apart. I wish we would pull out. And I meen all my boys out. If we keep them there then send them more support, untie their hands, and get ugly. I tell people not to join the service because your hands are tied, media coverage, and they will charge you with war crimes for protecting your men.
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And if America's young men and women follow this advice, what military would we have? those that are joining today, are doing so of their free will, knowing they can do something to help out, patriotic.... What kind of advice is this, to discourage young people from Serving? This reeks of "I don't like the military"..... |
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I know I said I wouldn't say anything but if your gonna be a smarta$$.. Well then you get what you ask for. Read em and weep. |
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Do you EVER tire of playing your Greasy Weasel Games, Skinner? Do you honestly expect anybody to buy into your B/S? |
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you are boring  |
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WTF? What F'n point? |
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It is you and your games that are boring Skinner. You are fatuous. |
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bite me, quiet...I am not going to post on these issues on this discussion topic...
I already know that comingofage will not open another topic to discuss these issues and I will not either because that would mean a concession for one of us and we are just two old stubborn vets and that ain't gonna happen... However, I was hoping that one of you other folks who jumped in on the bashing would do it...but I see that didn't happen either... That's too bad...it might have turned out to be a pretty good discussion without all the nasty baggage... I will watch for someone to do that but I am moving on from this one for real this time...ya'll have fun agreeing with each other. Ya'll have a Fine Navy Day today... |
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I will do a LOT better than any kind of Navy day Skinner. Though I hope YOURS is a complete pile of RANCID FECULENCE. |
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Ahhhhhhhh,sigh,ahhhhh,sigh ahhhh...-George Bush-
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HEEEeeeeLLLLllllllLLLLlllOOOOooooo......
Where did everybody goooooooooooo. Now I don't care who yar, dat dar is funny.  |
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Can any of the liberals in here just make of list of things they want our next leader to address and how they would like it addressed? It would really help this to be a discussion instead of a flame session
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I will take a gander then, though I don't call myself liberal (I prefer progressive). I want the next president to stand up to business interests, especially in regards to health care. Stop letting the pharma and insurance industries call the shots and write policy. Too many people have died on their watch. Healthcare is as much a right as police and fire protection. I want the next president to again stand up to business and pass the Employee Free Choice Act. This would allow our democratic right to organize our labor, the only real power other than voting the average citizen has. I want the next president to get rid of the wealthy tax breaks in this country. Why do they deserve to be taxed less than us, especially when the majority of their money comes from doing nothing. I want to see CEO's that squander pension moneys from workers be treated like the worst kind of criminals they are. I want to see some of this extra tax money go to fixing our dilapidated infrastructure. How many cities have to flood and how many bridges have to fall before we do something about it? I want to see veteran's getting the healthcare the have earned and deserve as well as education benefits. The right has screwed us for the last time. Least popular on here, I want to see an end to this war and an exodus of our troops. It is time to bring our boys home. So is that more of what you were looking for? |
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Now that is what this thread is about. Most of us don't know exactly how but we have ideas on the what. Thank you for this areyouapatriot. Maybe it'll rub off.
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Yes, that was exactly what we were looking for in here. Even though people may not agree, it's good to know at least where each other stands.
I have some questions concerning some of your positions:
How much impact do you think that doctors having to have such high malpractice insurance costs is affected by frivolous or excessive malpractice suits, which are in turn, passed on to the patient in increased costs of treatment and higher insurance? Second, would you support a clause that would make the care still billable to the patient if it was something intentionally self-inflicted or grossly negligent? Examples would be smokers, drunk drivers, drug abusers, criminals injured during commission of a crime, etc.
Do you think unions are to blame for hurting America's ability to industrially compete with other nations, resulting in massive lay-offs in industries such as the auto, steel, and textile?
I agree with you 100% when it comes to the individual. But when you talk about businesses, isn't it the ones who have money that re-invest that money into expansion, creating more jobs? |
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Laugh Robert. I'm just pulling your chain.. :> (The problem with conservative types is they are always so serious. ANd usually take THEMSELVES far too seriously too!) |
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You STILL havn't denied that all you want to do is push your agenda.. Alternative view TO WHAT? You havn't posted anything to have a contrasting view presented. All I see is a vague "the World sucks, now fix it" kind of statement. At least Armybratgoes wild presented a list of subjects (although each on would consume a thread on its own right) However, even HE did not present a "solution" that would represent the CONSERVATIVE side. (Or even define the "problem") WHen the subject is presented in this open ended way as you have done, it will be a huge time waster as people fumple around trying to focus on something specific. So if you REALLY want a discussion, PICK A TOPIC and define the issues and then put forward you idea to correct the issue. CAN YOU DO THIS? In my opinion, BOTH sides have merit and should be presented. This is what it means to "reason together", rather than running around taking pot shots at the other "side". |
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How do you insure that "keeping our kids safe" remains THE ONLY way that the technology will be used? How do you insure that the "watchers" wont abuse their station and turn this into a police state sceanrio? Why do you feel that a camera up everybodys butt is a good thing? I personally don't LIKE somebody peering at me everywhere I go. I want to feel that I can scratch my butt or pick my nose without the state watching me do it. When does "the kids safety" turn into "insuring COMPLYANCE with the dictates of the state? (Especially when the dictates are NOT good) Or are you under the impression that every law that is made is good? As far as your statement that I give up my right to privacy when I walk out of my front door. I DON'T! You may TAKE IT from me by cohersive FORCE, but I am not willingly GIVING it to you. You may also STEAL it from me by doing it clandistinely, but again its THEFT not willingly given. Indiviual rights don't stop at the doorstep. I have the right (and I assert it) to BE LEFT ALONE in my person, my thoughts, my property and my LIFE. Excuse me, but BUTT OUT! If you stick your dcamera in my face, I will break it off. Keep your long nose and peering eyes to YOURSELF. Otherwise somebody is going to mash it a bit. If they put cameras around my house, that will give me a good reason to see what a 10KW focused microwave beam will do to a CCD camera. Should be interesting. You want your kids to be "safe" , hire an armed guard or lock them up in a fortified home and never let them walk out the door. Of course that will probably drive them crazy...maybe some night they will sneak into your room and slit your throat, but hey, they'll be "safe" by God. I really find it amazing that nieve people are busting their butt to build the cage to lock themselves in. I guess FEAR makes poeple act irrationally. YOU might not consider it "no big deal" to have cameras in public places, but I don't feel that way. I RESENT them and strive to live AWAY from areas where such things are done. So far in my later years I have managed to do this. If YOU want to live in a fishbowl, jump right in, but leave me out, I'm not interested. I'll take care of providing for my own safety thank you and I don't need big brother peering into everything under the sun to make me "safe". (And such technology is FAR to easy to be abused) (And you could have 100 cameras in every schoolroom and some kid that has stripped a gear will STILL be able to come in and blow them away. Cameras dont stop bullets. Of course you could attach remote machineguns to the cameras and shoot the kids that LOOK like they are going to shoot somebody, but you might annoy the parents of the other kids if you were wrong) |
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OK Matthew, I am going to give you the benifit of the doubt and assume that you REALLY want an honest dialog on the solutions to the "screwed up world" that we find ourselves in. (Which definition I don't necessairly accept) The first thing that comes to mind is that I would like to hear FROM YOU, what you feel would be a more ideal world to live in? Something that would be an improvement on what we are confronted with currently. Just a general overview, touching on things that are significant to you with some simple discription associated with the points. You don't have to "fix" anything in that discription, just tell me what you would believe to be a better condition of the world that you would want to live in as contrasted with how it is now. Then we can go from there. |
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Thanks for answering the Thread question--You get a point for that! I've a couple of points/diagreements with you, but this is a Discussion Board-right?! First-I'm no friend of big corporations and/or the big-wigs with 7 figure salaries---they are almost as bad as the marxist/lenin/stalin skunks of the communist side. Both groups profit from the sweat of working men. At least in a capitalist country we can keep some of our earnings and complain out loud. Your first paragraph mentions the Pharmaceutical companies...well...frankly people nowadays are living much longer than they were 50 years ago, and that is because of all the medicines that the Pharmas. have researched/developed/distributed. {Personal note; Never met my maternal gramma because she died of a blood clot about 1 year before blood clot medicine was invented. Nowadays folks have lots more chances due to modern medicines/procedures.} You also claim that healthcare is a "right", just like police and fire...?? What Constitution have you been reading?-  If you can post the Article or amendment that proves your statement--I'll buy ya a stoogie! For years/decades our country had Volunteer Fire Depts. and "Police" is something that was imported from Britain in the 1800's...{to protect the city goverment/officials not Joe/Jane Public}{ Citizens for much of our nations history were armed and provide their own law enforcement.}. As for Healthcare; that was done at home or more serious cases were brought to the Hospitals which were funded/built/operated by Churches...NOT the wabbit-headed government types. I agree with you that we need more and better Unions with better "teeth" in the contracts! BUT everyone reading this needs to quit buying products that are made by slave-labor in Red China! We need man-u-fac-tur-ing jobs here in the states and the factories need to pay Union wages/benefits or we will slip into 3rd nation status. You also mention healthcare benefits and education benefits for Vets. May I suggest that you call or write your nearest VA medical center and VA benefits center and ask what they can do for you. There are bunches of helps for you-give them a call-BUT don't blame the "Right" for not having more benefits...The "Right" in Washington and the States are usually Pro-military and believe in helping/rewarding us that have served. The "Left" (who prefer to be called "Liberal") despise the US military and couldn't care less about vets.---because a Vet is someone that used to be in Uniform...and in LeftoLand that equates to a "Bad thing"! Your last sentence reeks of Defeatist dogma of the democrat-left.(Maybe you don't consider yourself to be that but this same line was heard in the 60's and early 70's. NEVER a thought about Victory or killing the enemy, but rather: "bring our boys home". I tell ya what-The "boys" never left home, they are still here living with mommy and/or going to college with the other foo-foo types. The MEN are the ones who stepped up to the plate and raised their right hands and earned that uniform...Men not boys! |
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