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HERE IS A CHALLENGE!

IF YOU WILL OPEN ANOTHER TOPIC AND LIST THESE ISSUES WITHOUT THE SLAM I PROMISE THAT I WILL REPLY WITH HONEST RESPONSES AND RESPECT AS LONG AS YOU DO THE SAME.
 
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This is off topic but how many know that coca cola contained cocaine at one time???
Cocaine too was legal before it was illegal. In the US it only became illegal in 1906 when the 1st Pure Food and Drug Act became law

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Ah well, I tried Frown


Was it legal or was it not known of really? This is debatable to it's legality prior to being added to the books of illegal narcotics.


It existed and was used does not mean it was legal.
 
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How about it, scout? We all know that you are good at trash talking, but how about open debate in a fair and clean discussion?

westy?

any conservative?
 
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How about it, scout? We all know that you are good at trash talking, but how about open debate in a fair and clean discussion?

westy?

any conservative?



I am argumentative, that said, I am allways fair as well.

What do you have to loose by presenting and debating your thoughts? Have at it!!!
 
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TThat is not a good starting point for a dialog. I expect it explains why skinman talk about hostility and ambushing, and why he refuse to participate in this thread.


That is correct. And, alcyone pointed that out in his first reply.

I didn't see this as an invitation to debate, but rather a statement that liberals would not debate because..."...the liberal responses are...typically a smart a$$ comeback with an insult on the persons intelligence, but rarely is there an answer."

That is not even a challenge, it is a statement that you are going to trash me and bash whatever point I make.

Now, why would I want to go there?

I would enjoy discussing these issues with you and the others, but not in this topic because you have already stated up front in your opening that it is an ambush...Wink



Your dodging the debate because he made it clear that he would not ambush in numerous posts within this thread. You have ideas or you don't. If you do have some ideas type them out, what do you have to loose? Nothing.


Point them out, ya kidding? When people are asked to point out facts they resort to name calling, get ready for the upload.
 
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How about it, scout? We all know that you are good at trash talking, but how about open debate in a fair and clean discussion?

westy?

any conservative?



I am argumentative, that said, I am allways fair as well.

What do you have to loose by presenting and debating your thoughts? Have at it!!!


I have nothing to lose...open the topic and let's argue...
 
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How about it, scout? We all know that you are good at trash talking, but how about open debate in a fair and clean discussion?

westy?

any conservative?



I am argumentative, that said, I am allways fair as well.

What do you have to loose by presenting and debating your thoughts? Have at it!!!


I have nothing to lose...open the topic and let's argue...


It would be a waste of space and time to start a new thread when the topic allready exists.
 
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With all the problems that keep arising in the schools, we need better security, monitoring, and thorough back ground checks on people who are responsible for/ work with children. If I can not walk through Wal Mart or anyware else without scratching my azz on camera, what makes our childrens classrooms exempt from the overseeing eye?

It is just one of things that needs to be added in the schools of today.
I’m a big fan of keeping an eye on my kids, but I don’t like the idea of cameras in the classroom. Kids should be able to feel as though they have a little bit of independence and freedom from their parents rule. If you need to exhibit that kind of control over your children, they should be home schooled. Just my opinion.
 
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With all the problems that keep arising in the schools, we need better security, monitoring, and thorough back ground checks on people who are responsible for/ work with children. If I can not walk through Wal Mart or anyware else without scratching my azz on camera, what makes our childrens classrooms exempt from the overseeing eye?

It is just one of things that needs to be added in the schools of today.
I’m a big fan of keeping an eye on my kids, but I don’t like the idea of cameras in the classroom. Kids should be able to feel as though they have a little bit of independence and freedom from their parents rule. If you need to exhibit that kind of control over your children, they should be home schooled. Just my opinion.



Years ago I would have agreed, but adding cameras to one more public location is not a big deal, especially considering all that has happened in schools of late. What do the teachers and the kids have to hide? There is no right to privacy in any public location, you give up that right when you walk out your front door.

It is not about snooping or control, it is about keeping all kids safe, something WE ALL should want and demand!!!
 
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With all the problems that keep arising in the schools, we need better security, monitoring, and thorough back ground checks on people who are responsible for/ work with children. If I can not walk through Wal Mart or anyware else without scratching my azz on camera, what makes our childrens classrooms exempt from the overseeing eye?

It is just one of things that needs to be added in the schools of today.
I’m a big fan of keeping an eye on my kids, but I don’t like the idea of cameras in the classroom. Kids should be able to feel as though they have a little bit of independence and freedom from their parents rule. If you need to exhibit that kind of control over your children, they should be home schooled. Just my opinion.


Maybe more people should control their children.
 
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Thank you for a response SeaWitch.

If you don't mind, I just want to ask a couple of questions on your responses to the things scoutsout1 had listed. If you don't answer, it's fine.

On crime you mention not locking up "non violent drug offenders". Are you wanting to legalize the use of drugs? Or are you saying keep the laws the same as they are now? You've combined the crime and drugs together, that's why I ask about the laws.
As stated, I want to see a number of drugs, especially marijuana, decriminalized. Non violent drug offenders should not be arrested.

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Please don't think I'm looking for long answers, I don't want any of you libs to think I need a book or a cut and paste fest. And I promise I won't debate your answers.

On illegal imm., you didn't say anything. Wall? no wall? Nothing? Legalize them? kick them out?... You have to have some thought on it. It's debated over and over here.
I’m afraid I don’t have any answers to illegal immigration. I know that we need that inexpensive workforce. How we go about doing that, I don’t know. I just don’t have the answers to that which is why I refrain from debating illegal immigration. I hate the “Mexican bashing” that goes on, especially when only roughly half of our illegal immigrants come from Mexico.

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On the war on terror; I promised I wouldn't give my opinion on what you said and I'm gonna stand by it. But come on, the fact is were there. We're fighting. What do you think we should do? You are very strong in your hatred against the war. You have to have some idea on how to get us out?
Yup, just leave. This is THEIR country and they need to take responsibility for it. When they are done destroying it, we can help ‘em rebuild it. Of course, we never should have gone there in the first place and should have concentrated on the actual GWOT not this ridiculous foray into Iraq (for no apparent reason it would seem)

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On education you mention 'equal education for ALL", and at the top of the list. I agree with you in principle. But please say (again, I'm not looking for a book) how you would get it done. If your asnwers are as short as just saying, "taxes" or "social programs", or "mandates", that's fine. I just need answers from a liberal point of view.

Thanks again for the post

The more ya'll tell me on how you want me to live, I can make a better judgement on how much I need to fight you or listen to you.
I’m afraid I don’t have the time to address the education question. I have a class starting in just a few minutes. Be back to it much later…
 
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With all the problems that keep arising in the schools, we need better security, monitoring, and thorough back ground checks on people who are responsible for/ work with children. If I can not walk through Wal Mart or anyware else without scratching my azz on camera, what makes our childrens classrooms exempt from the overseeing eye?

It is just one of things that needs to be added in the schools of today.
I’m a big fan of keeping an eye on my kids, but I don’t like the idea of cameras in the classroom. Kids should be able to feel as though they have a little bit of independence and freedom from their parents rule. If you need to exhibit that kind of control over your children, they should be home schooled. Just my opinion.



Years ago I would have agreed, but adding cameras to one more public location is not a big deal, especially considering all that has happened in schools of late. What do the teachers and the kids have to hide? There is no right to privacy in any public location, you give up that right when you walk out your front door.

It is not about snooping or control, it is about keeping all kids safe, something WE ALL should want and demand!!!
And I agree with you to an extent, but what is it you think you are protecting these children from? I have more to say, but my class is waiting for me...gotta go!
 
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With all the problems that keep arising in the schools, we need better security, monitoring, and thorough back ground checks on people who are responsible for/ work with children. If I can not walk through Wal Mart or anyware else without scratching my azz on camera, what makes our childrens classrooms exempt from the overseeing eye?

It is just one of things that needs to be added in the schools of today.
I’m a big fan of keeping an eye on my kids, but I don’t like the idea of cameras in the classroom. Kids should be able to feel as though they have a little bit of independence and freedom from their parents rule. If you need to exhibit that kind of control over your children, they should be home schooled. Just my opinion.


Maybe more people should control their children.



The problem is what tools can parents use anymore to properly disciplene? Some states like Texas have clarified the law, but many states have parents running scared, hence the majority of the problem for kids runnin amuck!!!

All that really needs to be done is a little but whoopen for the missbehaved (probably a little late by that point if their older) and to get harsh on the predators that stalk women and children.

It is fixable, that is if society truly wants it fixed. Frown
 
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Again Scout, (welcome back by the way) I would have to ask what it is that you think you are protecting students from with cameras in the classroom?
 
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well for one one can prove what happens in classrooms with the installation of camers.. no more taken the word of anyone over another... also can help determine if another va shootout happens they can tell the leo where the students are and where the shooters are better with cameras...
 
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Again Scout, (welcome back by the way) I would have to ask what it is that you think you are protecting students from with cameras in the classroom?


Harrassment from other students as well a from faculty. Most of the problems lately are caused from harrassment and bad parenting driven by society. All cameras would do is allow other faculty to observe the classroom environment to distinguish anything abnormal taking place. No big deal, unless one was to want it web cam, which then I would appose.
 
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well for one one can prove what happens in classrooms with the installation of camers.. no more taken the word of anyone over another... also can help determine if another va shootout happens they can tell the leo where the students are and where the shooters are better with cameras...



good point.
 
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...Guess that means you're embarrassed to admit that you think legalizing alcohol was a bad idea...



Was alcohol not legal before it was illegal? There is a difference between illegal narcotics and alcohol, it is like comparing apples to oranges.


Was marijuana not legal before it was illegal?
Yes, it was.

I'm afraid you're wrong on this one, scout. The comparison is absolutely valid, especially considering the fact that alcohol does far more damage to far more people than marijuana does, (and the fact that alchohol is physically addictive, while marijuana is not).

Cannabis also happens to have a number of impressive and significant medicinal qualities that pharmaceutical companies have been unable to reproduce synthetically. For this reason alone, (and there are endless others), the fact that marijuana is classified by the Guvmint as a Schedule 1 Narcotic, (supposed to be for drugs with no medicinal value which also foster physical dependence), is demonstrably absurd and completely insane.

You really should do some reasearch into the supposed reason/s and especially the method by which marijuana was made illegal, scout. It might open your eyes to the amazing waste of taxpayer dollars, (based on illogic and outright lies), that is the "War on Drugs".
 
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I have nothing to lose...open the topic and let's argue...


It would be a waste of space and time to start a new thread when the topic allready exists.


Oh, BS!!! Roll Eyes

I am starting to believe that ya'll are just plumb scared to go head's up in a REAL discussion...Razz

Well, I tried...when ya'll get tired of agreeing with each other, open another topic and you will get your opposing opinions...Wink

Peace, out.
 
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...I would have to ask what it is that you think you are protecting students from with cameras in the classroom?


It'd greatly help standardize curriculum, providing proof when a public school teacher is attempting to abuse their position as a teacher by turning it into a soapbox, (remember that "equal education for ALL" talking point of yours, witch? Big Grin).
 
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I am starting to believe that ya'll are just plumb scared to go head's up in a REAL discussion...


Just tell me when and where and I'll be there.
 
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Can I ask something of all the wild eyed conservatives (that includes me) on this thread?..... If a liberal does give their ideas on how to fix a problem, could you not jump them? And the only reason I'm asking is because we'll never get anywhere if they do say what they actually want.

I tried to start this thread so Liberals would not feel that everything they say is going to be ripped apart.

Please just grit your teeth and let it roll. Hell, Witch at least wrote what she thinks we need to do. I will give her 100% credit for doing so. And promised her she wouldn't be attacked by me. Please carry it on.

I'm learning here. Big Grin

But if there's a person here just ripping the thread like berlin, skinman, and a couple others, have at em. They aren't helping the problem.
 
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I have nothing to lose...open the topic and let's argue...


It would be a waste of space and time to start a new thread when the topic allready exists.


Oh, BS!!! Roll Eyes

I am starting to believe that ya'll are just plumb scared to go head's up in a REAL discussion...Razz

Well, I tried...when ya'll get tired of agreeing with each other, open another topic and you will get your opposing opinions...Wink

Peace, out.



You know you can start a thread of how to better America, and feel it with your ideas. If I, or anyone else, starts a new one for you, you will think it is an ambush (which it is not). I am sure people will get involved, go for it, or you can save space and time and just shoot away here!
 
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...Guess that means you're embarrassed to admit that you think legalizing alcohol was a bad idea...



Was alcohol not legal before it was illegal? There is a difference between illegal narcotics and alcohol, it is like comparing apples to oranges.


Was marijuana not legal before it was illegal?
Yes, it was.

I'm afraid you're wrong on this one, scout. The comparison is absolutely valid, especially considering the fact that alcohol does far more damage to far more people than marijuana does, (and the fact that alchohol is physically addictive, while marijuana is not).

Cannabis also happens to have a number of impressive and significant medicinal qualities that pharmaceutical companies have been unable to reproduce synthetically. For this reason alone, (and there are endless others), the fact that marijuana is classified by the Guvmint as a Schedule 1 Narcotic, (supposed to be for drugs with no medicinal value which also foster physical dependence), is demonstrably absurd and completely insane.

You really should do some reasearch into the supposed reason/s and especially the method by which marijuana was made illegal, scout. It might open your eyes to the amazing waste of taxpayer dollars, (based on illogic and outright lies), that is the "War on Drugs".


Thank you for the schooling, I am pretty sure MJ is less harmfull than many other forms of narcotics, but I am not in a position to say, go ahead smoke away, for it is illegal activity that I personally do not partake in.
 
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I have nothing to lose...open the topic and let's argue...


It would be a waste of space and time to start a new thread when the topic allready exists.


Oh, BS!!! Roll Eyes

I am starting to believe that ya'll are just plumb scared to go head's up in a REAL discussion...Razz

Well, I tried...when ya'll get tired of agreeing with each other, open another topic and you will get your opposing opinions...Wink

Peace, out.

Do you realize 13 that you have spent every post on this thread trying to dismiss it. If you're so GungHo about your point, leave the damn thread. Start one yourself. I don't want to debate because it's a waste of time. I want you liberal types to tell SOMEBODY YOUR PLANS FOR ME AND YOU. What in the world is so freaking hard about that?

You know what,,,, leave.. just leave the thread and go bi*** about something else to someone else. Angry Whip Gun Peace OUT
 
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...Guess that means you're embarrassed to admit that you think legalizing alcohol was a bad idea...



Was alcohol not legal before it was illegal? There is a difference between illegal narcotics and alcohol, it is like comparing apples to oranges.


Was marijuana not legal before it was illegal?
Yes, it was.

I'm afraid you're wrong on this one, scout. The comparison is absolutely valid, especially considering the fact that alcohol does far more damage to far more people than marijuana does, (and the fact that alchohol is physically addictive, while marijuana is not).

Cannabis also happens to have a number of impressive and significant medicinal qualities that pharmaceutical companies have been unable to reproduce synthetically. For this reason alone, (and there are endless others), the fact that marijuana is classified by the Guvmint as a Schedule 1 Narcotic, (supposed to be for drugs with no medicinal value which also foster physical dependence), is demonstrably absurd and completely insane.

You really should do some reasearch into the supposed reason/s and especially the method by which marijuana was made illegal, scout. It might open your eyes to the amazing waste of taxpayer dollars, (based on illogic and outright lies), that is the "War on Drugs".


Thank you for the schooling, I am pretty sure MJ is less harmfull than many other forms of narcotics, but I am not in a position to say, go ahead smoke away, for it is illegal activity that I personally do not partake in.

I know this is off the basis of the thread but did everybody hear the latest tests on MJ? They(who ever that it) say that one MJ cig is as harmful to your lungs as 5 cigarettes. Who'd a thunk it?
 
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I know this is off the basis of the thread but did everybody hear the latest tests on MJ? They(who ever that it) say that one MJ cig is as harmful to your lungs as 5 cigarettes. Who'd a thunk it?


Anyone who's ever coughed their brains out after a bong rip woulda thunk it. Big Grin This isn't news to anyone, just another rather desperate attempt to shore up the ridiculous official Guvmint line of "Drugs are bad, mmmmmmmkay."

Besides, were cannabis legal, (and thus cheaper), a lot of people would eat it rather than smoking it, taking the harmful smoke out of the equation.
 
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I know this is off the basis of the thread but did everybody hear the latest tests on MJ? They(who ever that it) say that one MJ cig is as harmful to your lungs as 5 cigarettes. Who'd a thunk it?
Not according to this report: http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=0002491F-755F-1473-B55F83414B7F0000

But I did hear of a study that stated there is an increased risk of psychosis with frequent Marijuana use. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/01/26/s...enage_marijuana_use/
 
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Besides, were cannabis legal, (and thus cheaper), a lot of people would eat it rather than smoking it, taking the harmful smoke out of the equation.
Hmmm, only if they can buy it already baked into the item or if they can buy the butter. Every try to make the butter? It is my understanding that it is a painstaking process…
 
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I know this is off the basis of the thread but did everybody hear the latest tests on MJ? They(who ever that it) say that one MJ cig is as harmful to your lungs as 5 cigarettes. Who'd a thunk it?


Anyone who's ever coughed their brains out after a bong rip woulda thunk it. Big Grin This isn't news to anyone, just another rather desperate attempt to shore up the ridiculous official Guvmint line of "Drugs are bad, mmmmmmmkay."

Besides, were cannabis legal, (and thus cheaper), a lot of people would eat it rather than smoking it, taking the harmful smoke out of the equation.

Well, actually this study is worse than I'd ever heard. I thought it was as bad, not 5x as bad.

I'm not sure who did the study but why does it "shore up" the drugs are bad thing? And one more ?. Why if a person really wants dope, would you buy it? Why not grow your own? I've seen more pot plants in my life than probably 75% of you. The plants have no problem growing where ever the seeds are planted. And there pretty fast growers.
 
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