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Fact Check: Bush offers rosy view By TOM RAUM, Associated Press Writer
Sat Mar 8, 7:36 AM ET



President Bush put the best face on Friday's grim employment report, claiming a recently passed economic stimulus package should provide a "booster shot" to an economy he acknowledged was in decline — but on track, he said, to prosper in the future.

Economists, for the most part, don't share his rosy outlook.

The Labor Department reported Friday that the economy lost 63,000 payroll jobs in February, the deepest cut in five years, after losing 22,000 jobs in January. The February figure would have been even higher — over 100,000 lost jobs in the private sector — had it not been for an offsetting increase in government jobs of 38,000.

THE SPIN

Bush sought to ease fears that the U.S. is slipping into a recession, saying he is taking action to get the economy back on track.

"I know this is a difficult time for our economy, but we recognized the problem early and provided the economy with a booster shot," Bush told reporters at the White House on Friday. "We will begin to see the impact over the coming months."

"In the long run, we can have confidence that so long as we pursue pro-growth, low-tax policies that put faith in the American people, our economy will prosper," he said.

Bush also noted that "the unemployment rate improved to 4.8 percent."

A White House "fact sheet" boasts that the economy has added "more than 8.1 million jobs since August 2003."

In his remarks, Bush said the $152 billion stimulus package passed last month by Congress would give the economy a needed jolt. Rebate checks of $600 for individuals, $1,200 for couples, plus $300 each for dependent children for all but the highest-paid Americans will start appearing in consumers' mailboxes in May.

"We expect they will use it to boost consumer spending and that will spur job creation as well," Bush said.

THE FACTS

The "improvement" in the monthly unemployment rate to 4.8 percent is not really good news. The statistic was largely driven by the fact that so many adults have become discouraged and stopped looking for work, contributing to a drop in the total number of adults either employed or looking for work.

University of Maryland economist Peter Morici calculates that, factoring in the decline in adults looking for work, the unemployment rate is actually 6.8 percent.

As to job growth during Bush's term, do you wonder why the administration picked August 2003 as a starting point?

That's because it was a low point for job creation.

When Bush took office in January 2001, there were 132.5 million non-farm workers. In August 2003, the number had fallen to 129.8 million. As of February, there are 138 million in the work force — for a net increase since Bush took office of 5.5 million.

That barely keeps pace with population growth, economists suggest.

Many economists say the U.S. economy is already in recession — even though it hasn't met the classic definition of two back-to-back quarters of declining gross domestic product — and say the White House is trying to sugarcoat the statistics.

The U.S. economy grew at a 0.6 percent annual rate in the October-December 2007 quarter.

"They're certainly trying to put the best face on the situation. They're spinning it their way," said Standard and Poor's chief economist David Wyss, who suggests the economy dipped into recession sometime last month.

"I don't think they're falsifying the data. Presidents always play cheerleaders. I don't think I've ever heard a president say that we were in a recession until we were just about out of it," Wyss said.

Bush's top economic adviser, Edward Lazear, acknowledged Friday that the economy may dip into negative territory in the current quarter.

As for the stimulus package, economists say the rebates, in fact, could help keep the recession shallow, or even lift the economy out of recession. Some suggest, however, that such a "recovery" could be short-lived, with the economy slipping back into recession at the end of this year or early next year.

That could have an important bearing on the presidential election in November. Economic distress is generally seen as hurting Republican candidates more than Democrats.

So how many of you still take what this adminstration feeds you at face value? Anyone?? Bueller?? Bueller??

I know there's a group of you that enjoy being duped. We call you Republicans. Have a great Navy Day Shipmates.
 
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When the government tells us we're in a recession, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. It would be reckless in the extreme for any President to announce to the nation that the economy sucks.

What do you want, anyway? President Bush to leave office? Wait a few months.


Woody Allen once said that any man who makes a pun should be 'drawn and quoted.'
 
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I wonder which presidential library will be more embarrassing, Herbert Hoovers or GW Bush's.
 
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When the government tells us we're in a recession, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. It would be reckless in the extreme for any President to announce to the nation that the economy sucks.

What do you want, anyway? President Bush to leave office? Wait a few months.


What are you a crack head submariner?? Why would I want the President Bush to leave office?

He's doing a wonderful job. I could give a crap about the economy, I've got plenty of money and shop at the commissary. They still have great prices compared to what the schmucks out in town have to pay.

Fuel prices can blow me. Again, when you've saved for it, it matters not what they charge...I can cover it. The way I see it, the higher the better. We need to learn the lesson that other countries learned long ago about conservation. High prices just might encourage that.

I invite the Adminstration to listen to my phone calls and read my emails. He'll they can open my snail mail...because unlike Democrates in general...I've got nothing to hide and welcome the privacy intrusion.

No my fellow submariner, I think he should stay in office for eternity. Where else are we going to fine someone to manage the country in such a responsible way?
 
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I wonder which presidential library will be more embarrassing, Herbert Hoovers or GW Bush's.


Bill Clinton's.
 
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When the government tells us we're in a recession, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. It would be reckless in the extreme for any President to announce to the nation that the economy sucks.

What do you want, anyway? President Bush to leave office? Wait a few months.



Well so much for his trickle down Theory. Sounds like some college paper he wrote and failed. Now hes trying to prove his proffessor was wrongin giving him a failing grade by trying it out in real life, and were paying the price.
 
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I wonder which presidential library will be more embarrassing, Herbert Hoovers or GW Bush's.


Bill Clinton's.


That wasn't one of the choices, but thanks for playing.
 
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I wonder which presidential library will be more embarrassing, Herbert Hoovers or GW Bush's.


Bill Clinton's.


That wasn't one of the choices, but thanks for playing.


It should have been. Bill was more of a disgrace than George Jr. will ever be.
 
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The president hasn't heard that gas may get up to $4 a gallon. He hasn't heard that the economy may be in recession. He "doesn't think about Osama bin Laden".

Everything's great! Big Grin
 
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I wonder which presidential library will be more embarrassing, Herbert Hoovers or GW Bush's.


Bill Clinton's.


That wasn't one of the choices, but thanks for playing.


It should have been. Bill was more of a disgrace than George Jr. will ever be.


Time will tell.
 
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A library?? Who would go? Havent we heard enough lies these last eight years??? Now who would want to read about them.
 
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I wonder which presidential library will be more embarrassing, Herbert Hoovers or GW Bush's.


Bill Clinton's.


That wasn't one of the choices, but thanks for playing.


It should have been. Bill was more of a disgrace than George Jr. will ever be.


aint that the truth...


 
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A library?? Who would go? Havent we heard enough lies these last eight years??? Now who would want to read about them.


Good point. I forgot GW does not like to read anyway. He admitted he does not read newspapers. He just listens to his advisers and they have never stared him wrong.
 
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I wonder which presidential library will be more embarrassing, Herbert Hoovers or GW Bush's.



A library?? Who would go? Havent we heard enough lies these last eight years??? Now who would want to read about them.


Good point. I forgot GW does not like to read anyway. prove it... i say you are making slanderous remarks on our potus... He admitted he does not read newspapers. He just listens to his advisers and they have never stared him wrong.


just because someone dosent read the daily newspaper dosent mean the crap you are saying...


stop with all the hate... it is blinding you from thinking rationally... just like berlin....


 
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I wonder which presidential library will be more embarrassing, Herbert Hoovers or GW Bush's.


Bill Clinton's.


I doubt if he left a blow by blow account.


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"The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life."
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I wonder which presidential library will be more embarrassing, Herbert Hoovers or GW Bush's.



A library?? Who would go? Havent we heard enough lies these last eight years??? Now who would want to read about them.


Good point. I forgot GW does not like to read anyway. prove it... i say you are making slanderous remarks on our potus... He admitted he does not read newspapers. He just listens to his advisers and they have never stared him wrong.


just because someone dosent read the daily newspaper dosent mean the crap you are saying...


stop with all the hate... it is blinding you from thinking rationally... just like berlin....


I will have to find the quote for you outlaw93.

Here is a link.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/143851_thomas15.html
 
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The president hasn't heard that gas may get up to $4 a gallon. He hasn't heard that the economy may be in recession. He "doesn't think about Osama bin Laden".

Everything's great! Big Grin




With his wealth why should he care? If this whole thing comes tumbling down around us he could buy the penthouse in that new Dubios Skyscraper. Or a palace someplace.
 
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I wonder which presidential library will be more embarrassing, Herbert Hoovers or GW Bush's.



A library?? Who would go? Havent we heard enough lies these last eight years??? Now who would want to read about them.


Good point. I forgot GW does not like to read anyway. prove it... i say you are making slanderous remarks on our potus... He admitted he does not read newspapers. He just listens to his advisers and they have never stared him wrong.


just because someone dosent read the daily newspaper dosent mean the crap you are saying...


stop with all the hate... it is blinding you from thinking rationally... just like berlin....


I will have to find the quote for you outlaw93.

Here is a link.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/143851_thomas15.html


and none of that means anything you have posted... way to take stuff out of context....


 
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The president hasn't heard that gas may get up to $4 a gallon. He hasn't heard that the economy may be in recession. He "doesn't think about Osama bin Laden".

Everything's great! Big Grin




With his wealth why should he care? If this whole thing comes tumbling down around us he could buy the penthouse in that new Dubios Skyscraper. Or a palace someplace.


umm yea here is some info...bush dosent set gas prices... i wish you people will stop the hate....


 
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