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I here alot around this site about our freedoms being "taken away" by a power hungry administration.
In what way....personally...has the Patriot ACT affected you? Me? Nothing yet...got a story? Please tell... |
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Let me expand on this issue....If what OUR President has done anything that has affected you....please explain. ****** if you want...it's all good. I am just curious.......
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I have not been affected one iota. Not one bit.
Curtis Mayfield has a different opinion, though. |
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About the Building FAQ Exhibits Overview Exhibit Highlights New Exhibits Upcoming ExhibitsFeatured Collections Past Exhibits Traveling Exhibits Education & Outreach Overview Public Programs Community Programs Teacher Programs Student Programs Donation Requests Inductees Overview Inductee List Induction Ceremony & Process Backstage Pass Overview Today in Rock Curatorial Column Celebrity Sightings Contests Downloads Support the Museum Overview Membership Annual Fund Planned Giving Endowments Events Capital Support Naming Opportunities Sponsorship More + Overview Press Room Radio Studio Careers Internships Volunteers Donation Requests Contact Us Shop Curtis Mayfield Induction Year: 1999 Induction Category: Performer "Inductee: Curtis Mayfield (vocals, guitar; born 6/3/42, died 12/26/99) Curtis Mayfield is among an elite few members of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame who have been inducted more than once. Mayfield was first inducted with the Impressions in 1991 and then as a solo artist in 1999. His solo career, which began in 1970, is significant for the forthright way in which he addressed issues of black identity and self-awareness. He has been cited as an influence by such latter-day performers as Lenny Kravitz, Ice-T, Public Enemy and Arrested Development. Mayfield’s ability to voice hard truths through funky, uplifting music has rendered him one of the great soul icons. In 1968, while still with the Impressions, Mayfield launched the Curtom label (his third, after the Mayfield and Windy C imprints). Two years later, his solo debut, Curtis, appeared. It contained one of his most forthright message songs, “Don’t Worry (If There’s a Hell Below We’re All Going to Go),” and was the first of eleven albums that he released in the Seventies. Whereas his Sixties work both with the Impressions and as a songwriter-producer defined Chicago soul-a regional scene comparable to Motown in Detroit and Stax in Memphis-Mayfield left his imprint on the Seventies by couching social commentary and keenly observed black-culture archetypes in funky, danceable rhythms. He explained the shift in subject matter as “a feeling in me that there need to be songs that relate not so much to civil rights but to the way we as all people deal with our lives.” Working on a seemingly parallel track with Marvin Gaye circa What’s Going On, Mayfield’s second solo album, Roots (1971), sounded urgent pleas for peace and brotherhood over extended, cinematic soul-funk tracks that laid out a fresh musical agenda for the new decade. Mayfield’s solo career found him giving freer reign to his guitar playing, a choppy, rhythm-based style that owed much to his Chicago blues heritage and a self-devised tuning based on the black keys of the piano. His most popular and lasting work was Superfly, a film soundtrack in which he painted a gritty portrait of black life in America’s inner cities. Mayfield struck a creative and commercial motherlode with Superfly‘s smoldering rock-disco grooves and pointed social commentary. The soundtrack album yielded massive crossover hits in “Freddie’s Dead” and “Superfly.” Against a hypnotic backdrop of conga drums, strings and wah-wah guitar, Mayfield sang of a high-rolling ghetto drug dealer’s lifestyle in a sweet, stinging falsetto. As an aural document, Mayfield’s music for this classic “blaxploitation” film anticipated the reality-based rap and hip-hop of the Nineties. Throughout his career Mayfield also shone brightly as a producer and songwriter for other artists, including soul and R&B giants like Jerry Butler and Major Lance (in the Sixties) and Aretha Franklin, the Staple Singers, and Gladys Knight and the Pips (in the Seventies). As a solo artist, he continued to score R&B hits into the mid-Eighties, many of them in a disco vein. Getting back to his roots, Mayfield joined the Impressions in 1983 for a reunion tour and revived his dormant Curtom label in 1990. A freakish onstage accident in August 1990 left Mayfield paralyzed from the neck down. However, this tragedy did not diminish his spirit or end his career. In 1996, he released his 25th solo album, New World Order. In his own words: “How many 54-year-old quadriplegics are putting albums out? You just have to deal with what you got, try to sustain yourself as best you can, and look to the things that you can do.” Despite his positive attitude, Mayfield’s health steadily deteriorated. He lost a leg to diabetes in 1998 and died a year later at age 57. On that day, the music world lost a man of great talent and conscience. In the words of Aretha Franklin, “Curtis Mayfield is to soul music what Bach was to the classics and Gershwin and Irving Berlin were to pop music.” TIMELINE June 3, 1942: Curtis Mayfield is born in Chicago, Illinois. 1958: Curtis Mayfield joins the Impressions, a gospel-influenced R&B vocal group that enjoys great success in the Sixties with such groundbreaking singles as “Gypsy Woman,” “It’s All Right,” “Amen,” “People Get Ready,” “Woman’s Got Soul,” “We’re a Winner” and “This is My Country.” December 4, 1961: Curtis Mayfield hits #2 on the R&B chart and #20 on the pop chart with “Gypsy Woman”. November 9, 1963: Curtis Mayfield hits #1 on the R&B chart and #4 on the pop chart with “It’s All Right”. 1970: Curtis Mayfield leaves the Impressions to launch a solo career. His debut album, ‘Curtis’ —released on his own Curtom label—enters the charts in October. It contains frank, topical songs like “(Don’t Worry) If There’s a Hell Below We’re All Going to Go” and “We People Who Are Darker Than Blue.” 1972: Curtis Mayfield hits #4 with “Freddie’s Dead (Theme from Superfly)”. October 21, 1972: ‘Superfly’ tops the Billboard’s album chart for the first of four weeks. This soundtrack to a film about a Harlem drug dealer’s attempt at a final “big score” delivers two major hits: “Freddie’s Dead” (#2 R&B, #4 pop) and “Superfly” (#5 R&B, #8 pop). August 1, 1974: Curtis Mayfield makes the pop Top Forty for the last time with “Kung Fu,” which precedes Carl Douglas’s “Kung Fu Fighting” by two months. However, he’ll crack the R&B Top Forty a dozen more times between 1974 and 1981. July 1, 1975: One of Curtis Mayfield’s most unflinchingly realistic and downbeat message albums, ‘There’s No Place Like America Today’, is released. October 1, 1982: ‘Honesty’, Curtis Mayfield’s strongest album in years, appears to positive reviews. August 13, 1990: Curtis Mayfield is paralyzed from the neck down after high winds cause a lighting rig to fall on him at a concert in Brooklyn, New York. March 1, 1993: People Get Ready: A Tribute to Curtis Mayfield (Shanachie Records) is released. Mayfield favorites are covered by Jerry Butler, Don Covay, Steve Cropper (of Booker T and the M.G.’s) and others. March 1, 1994: Curtis Mayfield is give the Grammy Legend Award at a ceremony in New York. This same month, All Men Are Brothers: A Tribute to Curtis Mayfield (Warner Bros.)—featuring covers by Aretha Franklin, Stevie Wonder, B.B. King, the Isley Brothers, Bruce Springsteen and Eric Clapton—is issued. March 15, 1999: Curtis Mayfield is inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame at the fourteenth annual induction dinner. December 26, 1999: Curtis Mayfield dies in Roswell, Georgia. Essential Recordings Superfly Freddie’s Dead Move On Up Don’t Worry (If There’s a Hell Below We’re All Going to Go) We People Who Are Darker Than Blue Mighty Mighty (Spade and Whitey) Pusherman The Makings of You Between You Baby and Me Baby It’s You Recommended Reading People Get Ready: The Curtis Mayfield Story Curtis Mayfield. Rhino Records, 1996. (Note: The booklet included with this box set contains biographical and discographical information.) Poetic License in Poem and Song Curtis Mayfield with David Soto. New York: Newstar Press, 1996. Curtis Mayfield: A Deeper Shade of Soul Craig Werner. Goldmine (July 4, 1997): 16-19+. James Brown's Tuxedo Stage Jacket, 1983. Red with satin and rhinestone lapels. Photo by Design Photography Collection of James Brown Hell of a musician...don't get your point...... |
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Yeah! That's what I'm talking about!
You Go! Curtis. Maybe I had a Homer Simpson moment, and it was that other Mayfield that is whining about the Patriot Act! Which only goes to prove my point! Thank you! |
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It's obvious...the patriot act is in work here...a conspirasy by the Right Wing Lunatics...Still don't get your point? |
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crickets chirping... oh but i am sure many have examples... i know ive been asking this question for a few years now....
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It has not affected me at all.
But I am sure someone will post the mouse and mousetrap story Forget the dog, Beware of Owner |
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Murder hasn’t personally affected me either, but I’m kind of against it as a rule…
Taking away someone else’s Constitutional Rights doesn’t affect me personally, but the Constitution is still something that I hold dear and don’t believe it should be wadded up and thrown out either. It isn’t just a “Goddamn piece of paper” to me. That the Patriot Act could be used to take away anyone’s constitutional rights should not sit well with anyone that swore to uphold and defend it. |
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Nope, nothing different here with me... But I will tell you that what Al Gore, and the rest of these "Global Warming" freaks are proposing is going to infringe on my rights.
You nug bags out there that think this administration has "taken your rights away" better hold on... Your ignorant Democrat Congress is working real hard at stripping you of your "individual liberties". So quit crying about the Patriot Act, and start *****ing about the shoe box that Al says you will drive, and you need to plant a tree everytime you fart..... While he flys around in a private jet, drives around in a limo, and has a power bill that is bigger than some people make in a year. While the whole time claiming he's "carbon neutral". Now there's a guy that is going to affect you. |
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Well, if you want to deposit more than $10,000 in the bank without being interrogated and filling out papers, then you have to do it in smaller increments.
 I find that to be way past ridiculous, but maybe others just love it. |
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 If folks think the Patriot Act is such a good idea under Bush, what are they going to think of it under Hilary--or someone worse? |
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Are you kidding me? The same people screaming about the Patriot Act would let Hillary take all of there liberties and rights. In fact if she did the same thing, they would hale her as a "great mind", really doing something to stop terrorism. The Patriot Act was a great idea. If anybody out there thinks that "you" were being bugged. You must be a terrorist. |
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veni, vidi, vici |
I am all for it. |
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Not one bit.
"DEATH ON CALL" |
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Depositing money has been report to the feds for a long, long time....before the patriot act. Now, there may be some other reporting under the act, but that's not new.
And, you're right, just make it smaller increments. |
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The Patriot Act was required to circumvent soooooooooo many regulations put into place to protect people. However, when it comes to enemies, these became wayyyyyyyyyyyy too burdensome.
I haven't lost any freedoms that I'm aware of. More power to them. |
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Because of the jeopardy of NOT being an American citizen under this act, my relatives were FORCED to become American Citizens. They were simply under too much risk of disappearing" (expecially by some bureaucratic screwup) if they wanted to continue to live in this country. Under this act, we are at more risk even as citizens, but at least there are a few more protections that havn;t been stripped away YET! The patriot act is comparable to giving a 4year old a loaded revolver and HOPING that he doesn't shoot somebody. Nobody with any common sense would do such a thing. And if you have any common sense, you wouldn't accept the Patriot Act as it is written today either. Get some legal analysis of what it contains. Take a few seminars on it and THEN you wont be so ignorant and foolish as you appear to be now. Just because a Hurricane doesn't strike New Orleans TODAY, doesn't mean it can't happen TOMORROW. The assaults on civil liberties are INCREMENTAL and ongoing. They nibble away at our liberties. The government (in whatever form) seeks (quite naturally) to expand its scope and range of power. WE (as free Citizens) MUST push back on this natural encroachment continuously if we want to remain free. If you don't want to be free, then stay asleep and ignorant. For the rest of us, we will PUSH BACK and RESIST these encroachments. If we are successful, then even YOU will benifit from our success (lucky you). This message has been edited. Last edited by: alcyone, |
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Sounds good....go for it. |
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Because of the jeopardy of NOT being an American citizen under this act, my relatives were FORCED to become American Citizens. They were simply under too much risk of disappearing" (expecially by some bureaucratic screwup) if they wanted to continue to live in this country. That is how it affected you? First of all, I don't understand how. Second, you make it sound like being a citizen of this country is a bad thing. Please explain. |
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That's probably the most ignorant thing I've seen lately. Do you even CONSIDER what you are saying before you shoot it out? How about "they MUST be guilty, because the police arrested them"? That's another cannard that ignorant people spew out too... |
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Looking at your previous post, I understand how and why you just posted this. If your family were not citizens, they don't have the rights of our constitution. They have civil rights but that's it. Nobody "forced" your family to become citizens. It's a free country, they could have kept there "statis" or they could have left. It was there choice. |
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Im just sick of the continuous added security regulations at airports. Anyone who has to bring infants along onto a flight faces a nightmare.
-Gotta take off your shoes, your kids shoes -Gotta take off your jacket, their jackets -All your other belongings, dump it into a bin in a quick manner without holding up the line only to get yelled at by other people or the security personnel -What? I can't pack freezer packs to keep my kid's milk cold? Because my 2hr flight "isnt really that long so we have to take this and trash it" It feels twice as long with 2 babies! -And what else? I have to package my kids' bottles into separate clear ziploc bags individually now? -Another thing? Oh, I can't bring my kids' milk into their milk bottles. I have to buy sealed milk and bring that in addition to empty bottles. "we're really not suppose to allow this, but ill let it slide." Great! Thanks! That made me feel sooooooooo much better! ::barfs:: -Ok, now that that is done...they hurry you to get all your stuff: shoes, kids shoes, bag, kids bags, jacket, purse, watch, cellphone, etc WHILE HOLDING YOUR KIDS to keep the line moving. I guess the only thing I should be grateful for is that they no longer seem to randomly pick people to do full searches on. ::barfs again:: If there's one thing terrorists have us on...its that. How disappointing. |
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Well, let me spell it out. Being COHERCED into doing something, rather than freely deciding to do it WITHOUT such cohersion is WRONG. Especially with something of such a personal nature as becoming a citizen of a FOREIGN nation. And you are rather cuturalcentric to think that EVERYBODY thinks America is the best thing since sliced bread. Some people are PROUD and HAPPY to remain citizens of their own birth country, even if they choose to live and work in another one. They shouldn't have to feel threated by their non-citizen status in that country. I lived and worked in several other countries than America and didn't ever fear that I could just "disappear" from off the face of the earth, simply because I was an American citizen working there. The relatives I am referring to were legal "green card" long time residents who were living here. They felt threatened by the changing legal climite and the unlimited and UGLY power that the government now had. (And their demonstrated willingness to USE that power as it suited their fancy and their resistance to any kind of accountability over its use) Clear enough for you now? |
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Just two questions for you. 1. If your family wanted to live here, why should they not become citizens? If they did not want to be a citizen they should have gone back to their country. Live by OUR nation's rules/laws or get out! 2. Did you vote? Just like in any form of government past or present. You will always have power hungry jackazzes. I could list several people in my opinion who need not seek reelection on both sides because some are pond scum that are just in it for the power and could care less about the people. But WE as a nation elected them, so WE as a Nation need to vote them out and get someone else in the office. If they dont work out, recall their ***! If someone does not vote, then they have no reason to B:tch and moan about who is in office. That goes double for anyone who is not a citizen of the USA. |
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The Spanking Monk "That'll Butter Your Parsnips" 2542 posts as usmc_lovebug  |
i could do some spelling here, too...for one thing, this isn't about whether or not EVERYBODY thinks anything about America. If you don't like the country, you have the option to LEAVE! Door's always open. What sort of threat do you live under as a non-citizen, exactly? There is not a country on the face of the earth that would abdicate the security of its own citizens to making non-citizens feeling more cozy. America has the right to defend and protect itself from threats both foreign, domestic, and in between. I am so sick and tired of people spouting off as though we should be ashamed of our desire to preserve our culture and identity and security against ALL POTENTIAL THREATS. Funny how nobody seems to notice that, when the British foil a major plot to hijack 10 airliners, they did so in part due to their use of tactics spelled out in the Patriot Act in this country. What? It's okay for other people, but not for us? This argument about how America is stepping on the little people by monitoring terrorists and their friends is really fracking worn out. |
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Clear as a bell. Your relatives want there cake and eat it to. They want to live in a free society, take advantage of the protection our police and military offer. Take advantage of our hospitals and social programs. TRY and take advantage of our constitution and all the while thinking that America isn't "GOOD ENOUGH" to become a citizen of. Sounds to me like your relitives are hypocrites. You want some more?  |
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I guess no one has heard of Brandon Mayfield? He's all the rage in Oregon. He's the one who they tried to pin the Madrid bombings on, because the FBI said his prints matched the detonator devices on the crime scene in Spain.
Curtis and Brandon Mayfield. It was a joke. A very bad joke. But it was not very funny to Brandon Mayfield, a Muslim, who really was the target a la Richard Jewell, of some very vigorous FBI handling. The Patriot Act hasn't affected me. Yet. It is good to keep an eye on government, no matter which way you lean. |
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The Spanking Monk "That'll Butter Your Parsnips" 2542 posts as usmc_lovebug |
Ya know, if everybody went back to the country of their ancestry, we'd all of us be living in a very small plot of land in the middle east or Africa...so that argument is crap. You are also wrong about rights. Non-citizens should NOT be afforded the same protection as citizens. If they were, there would be no point to citizenship. I'm also curious: do you really think that people who apply for permanent residency or citizenship status should NOT have a background check done? Keep in mind that you're not personally related to or emotionally involved with everyone who applies for such status here. |
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