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Originally posted by iamgonzo:

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Originally posted by Yooper_tj:
The quote you've pulled is the seupt, gonzo:

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"Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer. Rush Limbaugh — his whole thing is entertainment. He has this incendiary — yes, it's ugly."
Steele, on D.L. Hughley's show.

Then, Mr. Steele wises up to reality, and defers to Rush's 'voice and leadership'. I'd love to see him sign up here and give us some quotes to chew on himself---he'd never commit to putting his gems in writing though.

...and that's a shame. He'd have you saying "Rush who?" in about a week.

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"My intent was not to go after Rush - I have enormous respect for Rush Limbaugh. I was maybe a little bit inarticulate. ... There was no attempt on my part to diminish his voice or his leadership." Steele, publicly apologizing to Limbaugh.

So Limbaugh is an entertainer, and is outspoken person with followers. Is that Mr. Steele saying Limbaugh is the leader of the GOP? There is a difference between not diminishing a voice and deferring to it. Try and twist it any way you want, those quotes don't show what you are saying.

Dennis Haysbert is an entertainer, he speaks for Allstate and he has followers (http://dennishaysbert.net/Photos-Pictures.aspx). Is he the leader of Allstate? No, he is a hired spokeperson.

Limbaugh is not even hired spokesperson, he is a self appointed spokesperson. If you listen to him he isn't so much a spokesman for the Republican party as much as a spokesman against the Democrats.

I'm not sure how that apology and those words could be seen as anything less than deferring to the Cheney Endorsed Bloviations of The Big Fat Liar In Chief as the anointed/self-appointed leader/spokesman for the GOP.

As a Democrat, just let me say this:

I'm for making sure every voter in the land believes el Rushbo is King of the Elephants. We owe him no less for the division he's created within the other party.

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:
Seriously? This is who a majority of Republicans said is the guy that speaks for the GOP?

Rush Limbaugh compares Al Franken's win to the recount of Ahmadinejad votes in Iran


LIMBAUGH: Look at this. From Iran's press television, the state-run media in Iran: Ahmadinejad gains votes in recount, just like in our country! It had -- just like in our country. Norm Coleman wins in Minnesota in a recount, and they keep having recounts, and Al Franken wins. So they had the recount in Iran, and shazzam! Ahmadinejad gained votes!

http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/rush-limbaugh-compares-al-frankens-win (with audio)

The man is going to bluster his party into the toilet.

So where does his narrow comparison in the voting recount break down? Explain his error - -

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Originally posted by greywolfghost:

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:
Seriously? This is who a majority of Republicans said is the guy that speaks for the GOP?

Rush Limbaugh compares Al Franken's win to the recount of Ahmadinejad votes in Iran


LIMBAUGH: Look at this. From Iran's press television, the state-run media in Iran: Ahmadinejad gains votes in recount, just like in our country! It had -- just like in our country. Norm Coleman wins in Minnesota in a recount, and they keep having recounts, and Al Franken wins. So they had the recount in Iran, and shazzam! Ahmadinejad gained votes!

http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/rush-limbaugh-compares-al-frankens-win (with audio)

The man is going to bluster his party into the toilet.

So where does his narrow comparison in the voting recount break down? Explain his error - -

I suspect it broke down when the good citizens of Minnesota actually counted the votes, more than once...with citizen oversight from both sides of the aisle...and multiple levels of judicial review...and Coleman's concession.

The dispute in Minnesota was over a very, very small percentage of the vote. In Iran, a few million mystery voters moved into districts where Ahmamamahuminownow had pretty much zero popular support, but magically carried by that same 2 to 1 margin.

The devil's in the details, GWG.

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Originally posted by Fightdirector:
If it had gone the other way, and Coleman had won the re-count instead of Franken, would Rush "Draft-dodging, Gutless Yellow Coward, Chickenhawk" Limpbutt have complained that Minnesota was just like Iran?

I somehow doubt it....

But I suspect you might...

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Originally posted by iamgonzo:
Who says Limbaugh is the leader of the GOP?

Liberals

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Originally posted by ELLIOTT1980:

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Originally posted by iamgonzo:
Who says Limbaugh is the leader of the GOP?

Liberals

Wow...that's some insightul critical thinking.

Care to favor us with the name of the name of the Real Leader of the GOP? Who's steering your rudderless ship this week?

Enough with the polls...go out on a limb here.

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:
Seriously? This is who a majority of Republicans said is the guy that speaks for the GOP?

Rush Limbaugh compares Al Franken's win to the recount of Ahmadinejad votes in Iran


LIMBAUGH: Look at this. From Iran's press television, the state-run media in Iran: Ahmadinejad gains votes in recount, just like in our country! It had -- just like in our country. Norm Coleman wins in Minnesota in a recount, and they keep having recounts, and Al Franken wins. So they had the recount in Iran, and shazzam! Ahmadinejad gained votes!

http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/rush-limbaugh-compares-al-frankens-win (with audio)

The man is going to bluster his party into the toilet.

You're blustering your way right with him. I clickec on this expecting a debate, a logical argument presented...instead I get a strawman and baiting. Its just this sort of thing that needs to be cleaned up.

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Originally posted by Yooper_tj:

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"My intent was not to go after Rush - I have enormous respect for Rush Limbaugh. I was maybe a little bit inarticulate. ... There was no attempt on my part to diminish his voice or his leadership." Steele, publicly apologizing to Limbaugh.

I'm not sure how that apology and those words could be seen as anything less than deferring to the Cheney Endorsed Bloviations of The Big Fat Liar In Chief as the anointed/self-appointed leader/spokesman for the GOP.

As a Democrat, just let me say this:

I'm for making sure every voter in the land believes el Rushbo is King of the Elephants. We owe him no less for the division he's created within the other party.

I read it as saying there is room for two to work together for a common goal.

If saying that he doesn't want to diminish his voice and leadeship is deferring to him then how many countries did Obama defer to on his recent apology tour?

Despite what the liberals/leftists think, Rush is not the leader of the GOP.

I am a registered Republican and a conservative and I do not listen to Rush and he does not speak for me. Period.

Barry's spiritual advisor thinks whites got a wake up call:
“In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01. White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.”

Barry thinks his grandmother is a typical white person..:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYudCtO8fdw


Is this how the game is played?

Vote-mining is a liberal art form...

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Originally posted by Tomcatt:

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:
Seriously? This is who a majority of Republicans said is the guy that speaks for the GOP?

Rush Limbaugh compares Al Franken's win to the recount of Ahmadinejad votes in Iran


LIMBAUGH: Look at this. From Iran's press television, the state-run media in Iran: Ahmadinejad gains votes in recount, just like in our country! It had -- just like in our country. Norm Coleman wins in Minnesota in a recount, and they keep having recounts, and Al Franken wins. So they had the recount in Iran, and shazzam! Ahmadinejad gained votes!

http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/rush-limbaugh-compares-al-frankens-win (with audio)

The man is going to bluster his party into the toilet.

I have usually seen liberals say that Rush speaks for the GOP, I do not think I have seen republicans do that.

Since party leaders and elected officials feel they need to apologise for saying anything negative or even for calling Rush an entertainer he IS a defacto leader of the party.

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Originally posted by rayld2:

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Originally posted by Tomcatt:

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:
Seriously? This is who a majority of Republicans said is the guy that speaks for the GOP?

Rush Limbaugh compares Al Franken's win to the recount of Ahmadinejad votes in Iran


LIMBAUGH: Look at this. From Iran's press television, the state-run media in Iran: Ahmadinejad gains votes in recount, just like in our country! It had -- just like in our country. Norm Coleman wins in Minnesota in a recount, and they keep having recounts, and Al Franken wins. So they had the recount in Iran, and shazzam! Ahmadinejad gained votes!

http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/rush-limbaugh-compares-al-frankens-win (with audio)

The man is going to bluster his party into the toilet.

I have usually seen liberals say that Rush speaks for the GOP, I do not think I have seen republicans do that.

Since party leaders and elected officials feel they need to apologise for saying anything negative or even for calling Rush an entertainer he IS a defacto leader of the party.

Thats rich.

Another Bait thread.

I actually expected something real, not this crap.

This is exactly what they were talking about in the thread about the lame attacks and "gotch" political threads. As long as folks post crap like this, we can't get back to real debates.

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Originally posted by threerings:

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Originally posted by rayld2:

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Originally posted by Tomcatt:
-snip- I have usually seen liberals say that Rush speaks for the GOP, I do not think I have seen republicans do that.

Since party leaders and elected officials feel they need to apologise for saying anything negative or even for calling Rush an entertainer he IS a defacto leader of the party.

Thats rich.

Anytime that a person has the power and/or influence to cause the official leaders of a group to defer or to avoid upsetting that person they are a de facto leader of that group.
If you don't agree with this statement please state WHY it isn't true. If your only response is "that's rich" I have to think you know the statement is true and just refuse to admit it.

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Originally posted by rayld2:

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Originally posted by threerings:

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Originally posted by rayld2:

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Originally posted by Tomcatt:
-snip- I have usually seen liberals say that Rush speaks for the GOP, I do not think I have seen republicans do that.

Since party leaders and elected officials feel they need to apologise for saying anything negative or even for calling Rush an entertainer he IS a defacto leader of the party.

Thats rich.

Anytime that a person has the power and/or influence to cause the official leaders of a group to defer or to avoid upsetting that person they are a de facto leader of that group.
If you don't agree with this statement please state WHY it isn't true. If your only response is "that's rich" I have to think you know the statement is true and just refuse to admit it.

How many times on this board have you ignored a poster? Would you then suggest that the poster you ignored is your de facto leader ... or a twit not deserving of a response?

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Originally posted by sw614:
Despite what the liberals/leftists think, Rush is not the leader of the GOP.

I am a registered Republican and a conservative and I do not listen to Rush and he does not speak for me. Period.

I am a registered Democrat and a liberal and Karl Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Fidel Castro and Pol Pot do not speak for me - but many who call themselves Republicans insist that those people DO speak for me and refuse to believe otherwise.

So don't feel so bad - you're just being treated by some like some Republicans treat all Democrats.

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Originally posted by Fightdirector:

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Originally posted by sw614:
Despite what the liberals/leftists think, Rush is not the leader of the GOP.

I am a registered Republican and a conservative and I do not listen to Rush and he does not speak for me. Period.

I am a registered Democrat and a liberal and Karl Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Fidel Castro and Pol Pot do not speak for me - but many who call themselves Republicans insist that those people DO speak for me and refuse to believe otherwise.

So don't feel so bad - you're just being treated by some like some Republicans treat all Democrats.

(Perez Hilton doesn't speak for me either)

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Originally posted by Fightdirector:

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Originally posted by sw614:
Despite what the liberals/leftists think, Rush is not the leader of the GOP.

I am a registered Republican and a conservative and I do not listen to Rush and he does not speak for me. Period.

I am a registered Democrat and a liberal and Karl Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Fidel Castro and Pol Pot do not speak for me - but many who call themselves Republicans insist that those people DO speak for me and refuse to believe otherwise.

So don't feel so bad - you're just being treated by some like some Republicans treat all Democrats.

Heck, someone here compared me to Marx, no biggie

The blanket statement and finger pointing game has been played by both sides for decades. I am just fed up with it.

How did Pol Pot sneak in there?????

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Originally posted by Fightdirector:

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Originally posted by sw614:
Despite what the liberals/leftists think, Rush is not the leader of the GOP.

I am a registered Republican and a conservative and I do not listen to Rush and he does not speak for me. Period.

I am a registered Democrat and a liberal and Karl Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Fidel Castro and Pol Pot do not speak for me - but many who call themselves Republicans insist that those people DO speak for me and refuse to believe otherwise.

So don't feel so bad - you're just being treated by some like some Republicans treat all Democrats.

As always FD you make a solid point and one that is fool-proof. However, I'm afraid it's too late for us Dems. At least as far as the milcom discussion boards are concerned, for all of us (unfortunately) were branded Marxist-Leninists amongst other despicable (Un-American) labels a long time ago. I do not see that changing, a matter of fact, I expect it to get much worse.

I cannot imagine what was in the minds of the Minnesota people with voting in Al Frankin.

Perhaps it's the only job he can stay with because the rest he sucks at!

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Originally posted by I_M_Qwerty:

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Originally posted by rayld2:

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Originally posted by threerings:

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Originally posted by rayld2:

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Originally posted by Tomcatt:
-snip- I have usually seen liberals say that Rush speaks for the GOP, I do not think I have seen republicans do that.

Since party leaders and elected officials feel they need to apologise for saying anything negative or even for calling Rush an entertainer he IS a defacto leader of the party.

Thats rich.

Anytime that a person has the power and/or influence to cause the official leaders of a group to defer or to avoid upsetting that person they are a de facto leader of that group.
If you don't agree with this statement please state WHY it isn't true. If your only response is "that's rich" I have to think you know the statement is true and just refuse to admit it.

How many times on this board have you ignored a poster? Would you then suggest that the poster you ignored is your de facto leader ... or a twit not deserving of a response?

You did not respond to what I posted. I asked why if a person has enough power and/or influence in a group that the official leaders of that group defer to that person why isn't that person A (note not only) de facto leader of the group. Please post a response stating why this statement isn't true.

What most people have stated is that Rush is A leader of the Repub party while the response from the Repubs is usually he is not THE leader. Notice the difference, the response is to a completely DIFFERENT claim that was not made.

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Originally posted by charlie_echo:
I cannot imagine what was in the minds of the Minnesota people with voting in Al Frankin.

Most likely the Minnesota voters who voted for Senator Franken felt he would better represent their interests than former Senator Norm Coleman.

That's the simple, truthful answer.

I used to feel the same way about those people from North Carolina who kept voting for Jesse Helms for Senate or those people in Alabama who voted for George Wallace for Governor of Alabama - I couldn't imagine how a rational, sane human being could vote for people like that. But I learned with time to accept that some people who live in different parts of the United States than I do saw their personal interests differently than I did.

People almost always vote based on their personal and regional interests and not the way other people from other parts of the United States might perceive as being the best for the country.

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As always FD you make a solid point and one that is fool-proof. However, I'm afraid it's too late for us Dems. At least as far as the milcom discussion boards are concerned, for all of us (unfortunately) were branded Marxist-Leninists amongst other despicable (Un-American) labels a long time ago. I do not see that changing, a matter of fact, I expect it to get much worse.

Unfortunately, you may be correct. But the knife cuts both ways. There are a some people on the left on these boards who believe it is their duty to antogonize the right and well as the other way around. There are people who want to make blanket statements demeaning everyone who they perceive as detrimental to their thinking. It has been happening the entire time I have been on these boards going back before the 2000 election.

All insults do not come from the right around here.

Too late for you guys? Ha, I have been taking flak ever since 'Bush stole the election'.

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At least as far as the milcom discussion boards are concerned, for all of us (unfortunately) were branded Marxist-Leninists amongst other despicable (Un-American) labels a long time ago. I do not see that changing, a matter of fact, I expect it to get much worse.

Branded is a strong word. Monkeys throwing feces do tend to spatter everyone, but it washes off.

The hard part is not picking it up (by the clean end, of course), adding your own, and throwing it back.

It's Military.com...we charge into ugly frays by nature, and prefer to give as well as we get--better.

Smear on some of that Skin-So-Thick lotion--the poo slides right off if you wear enough of it...

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Most likely the Minnesota voters who voted for Senator Franken felt he would better represent their interests than former Senator Norm Coleman.

I find that very hard to believe.

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Originally posted by threerings:

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Most likely the Minnesota voters who voted for Senator Franken felt he would better represent their interests than former Senator Norm Coleman.

I find that very hard to believe.

So why do you think they voted for Mr. Franken or at least against Mr. Coleman?

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Originally posted by rayld2:

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Originally posted by threerings:

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Most likely the Minnesota voters who voted for Senator Franken felt he would better represent their interests than former Senator Norm Coleman.

I find that very hard to believe.

So why do you think they voted for Mr. Franken or at least against Mr. Coleman?

It was one of those, one vote fits all States.

Where you just mark that you are voting for Democratic president and if they do not physically vote for the rest of the folks, it gets default as them voting for all the same party.

A few states have those kinds of ballots. I think they need to be changed, it relies off the ignorance of people and to capitilize off that is disingenous at the least, sneaky at the most.

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Originally posted by L0A1:

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Originally posted by rayld2:

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Originally posted by threerings:

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Most likely the Minnesota voters who voted for Senator Franken felt he would better represent their interests than former Senator Norm Coleman.

I find that very hard to believe.

So why do you think they voted for Mr. Franken or at least against Mr. Coleman?

It was one of those, one vote fits all States.

Where you just mark that you are voting for Democratic president and if they do not physically vote for the rest of the folks, it gets default as them voting for all the same party.

A few states have those kinds of ballots. I think they need to be changed, it relies off the ignorance of people and to capitilize off that is disingenous at the least, sneaky at the most.

Do you know what % of the vote consisted of that for Mr. Franken and what % for Mr. Coleman?
If you do know was it a large % of the vote and was the number of that type of vote similar for both candidates?

If you can not answer those questions then IMO you don't actually have any FACTS and are just bringing it up because YOU don't like Mr. Franken, or maybe just because a Demo won, you are claiming the people who voted for Mr. Franken did so out of ignorance or because they were tricked.
Please post the answers to the question so I know which it is.

Last Io heard, Senator Franken (lord, it hurts to say that) won by 315 votes. The percentage was 42% each.