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Care to see how socialism functions within government?
Here is a preview just how socialism actually functions. Xhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywgUCdefSW8 This madness has to be stopped. The upcoming elections in 2010 will determine if this form of rule will prevail.. The democrat in charge of this insane madness makes it very clear what their objective is. Destroy our Constitution and Rule their will over the citizens of this country. Hussein president of all 57 states  Not God Bless America: God Damn America: Rev. Jeremiah Wright  "Free men do not ask permission to bear arms." Commonsense |
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Wow. For my counterpoint, I think I'll go with...jumpin jack flash! its a gas, gas, gas!
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Hell I think I’m impressed. That is a remarkable observation for a 6 year old… Don’t mean to bring harm to your esteem but do yo momma know ya out playing in the adult world?? Hussein president of all 57 states Not God Bless America: God Damn America: Rev. Jeremiah Wright "Free men do not ask permission to bear arms." Commonsense |
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Wow another example of children trying to imitate mommy and fell asleep in the process. Here let me help you….  There now…. you will feel better when you wake. Hussein president of all 57 states Not God Bless America: God Damn America: Rev. Jeremiah Wright "Free men do not ask permission to bear arms." Commonsense |
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 "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." -Johann Wolfgang von Goethe |
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OK I see you and your felinity are protected from the black helicopters.. That mindset well explains why you are in the wrong thread. Let me help you… Find your nearest freeway. Wait until the traffic is 70 mph or faster. Then dart quickly across. Remember the objective is not to hit any cars… your head gear will protect you… Hussein president of all 57 states Not God Bless America: God Damn America: Rev. Jeremiah Wright "Free men do not ask permission to bear arms." Commonsense |
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veni, vidi, vici |
Straight and to the point, good post cederbird. And by the way, VA, and NJ showed their unhappiness with the current president.  |
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No, it demonstrated unhappiness with governors. The real test were the Congressional seats ala upstate New York where a progressive won the seat. And in a conservative area that was locked up for many, many decades. I think the word was but not sure and may be mistaken, this is only the second progressive elected from there since the Civil War. This election is the harbinger of the 2010 elections. And as far as your ranting about socialism, so what! Even if we do become a little more socialist than we already are as long as it benefits the majority of American's that is all that matters. One huge benefit to America and its citizens would be to remove ourselves from Iraq and Afghanistan. Aside from the loss of precious American lives for people where the majority hate us, the wars are helping to bankrupt this Country. We have enough challenges right here at home in rebuilding our Nation, never mind attempting to rebuild nations half way round the globe. S/F Gordon |
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What a pathetic assertion. A sell-out of long term liberty for short terma majority benefit. Little drones in a bee hive. |
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veni, vidi, vici |
You have got to be kidding. Socialism goes against everything this Country was founded on. Socialism gives the government too much Kontrol in our private lives, and way too much opportunity to become much more corrupt, overbearing and overtaxing. A lot like the reasons that we separated from mother England. |
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Courage is doing the right thing when no one is looking. |
I think the point is to slow the progress to socialism. The addage of "well, we already have parts of socialism, so whats a matter with more" is BS. I guess personal liberty doesnt mean squat to some of you.
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That's a joke, son. |
Maybe you could explain how our very weak version of socialism infringes on our liberty. |
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I could explain a lot of things to the wall...it doesn't mean it will understand. If you can't figure it out on your own then only experiencing it for yourself will you grasp the concept. |
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That's a joke, son. |
Very classy debate style. I bet with those skills and a glass of water, you could debate your way out of a paper bag. |
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Courage is doing the right thing when no one is looking. |
then I guess common sense is not so common with you. GRAYMAN |
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If there were no socialism, there'd be no country. We simply have to chose the appropriate amount of government. Will we ever agree? Not likely. It's the struggle to agree that will determine the appropriate amount. |
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That's a joke, son. |
Thanks you for demonstrating your debating skills, however limited they might be. |
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Here is the scenerio...9/11 a political statement and a terrorist one, the economic crash of the US (attack number two by the oil rich Arab countries), the Russia, Saudi, China, reverse embargo on US products and that is the third leg of this attack. Result is China becomes the landlord of the USA by lending US trillions of dollars! Obama Administration officials now quote Mao as a real inpirational political leader WTF? This is my three step description of bringing the US to it's knees and holding a club over its head!
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That's a joke, son. |
DF04 I think your collar is too tight. Nobody is bringing the US to it's knees. |
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There is one "silver lining" to the continued track into socialism.
At some point, when too many are collecting FROM the government and not enough producing FOR the government, the REAL change will come when its the government that will pick a job for you and force you to do it. I am sure that most Obama supporters will prefer this change over capitalism. |
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That's a joke, son. |
I am sure you do believe that. How is it over in Never Never Land? |
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The only thing pathetic is your lack of acceptance of programs meant to benefit the majority. Do you think your VA benfits fall into the category of conservatism? Hell, your buddy McCain has voted against nearly every Bill presented in his tenure in Congress that would benefit veterans. Maybe you agree with him! Wouldn't surprise me if you do. And don't give me the story veterans have earned what they have and receive. There are plenty of citizens who have sacrificed life and limb who haven't worn a uniform.
Do you think and believe we shouldn't have something like Workers Comp? Or how about miners? Do you think they should receive no consideration for the dangers they face, especially black lung disease? I could go on with a long list of so called socialist programs that exist in America...name one that has harmed anyone? I suppose you think and believe Food Stamps is an evil socialist plot to make people dependent upon the government for sustenance...and remember, there are a number of members of our military who receive them. The only thing your posts prove; you're another self centered and selfish individual who knows little to nothing about socio-economic systems and what they truly represent to the security of a country. Rather than spout ideological rubbish, try educating yourself so you will be able to present something that at least borders upon rational thought. S/F Gordon ____________________________________________
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First, you apparently should read up on your American history.
Second, I believe it was Oliver Wendell Holmes who stated 'Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society' so quit carping on the tax issue as you are probably an average joe lunch- bucket like most of us here and have suffered with higher taxes due to our friends in Congress giving away tax freebies to only the wealthy...you know that top 1% who control at a minimum 45% of the wealth of America...some say it may be as high as 65%...talk about socialism, welfare for the wealthy. S/F Gordon ___________________________________________
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So tell me, what socialist country say in Europe has lost any freedoms? France hasn't. England hasn't. Germany hasn't. None of the Scandinavian countries have. Belgium, Holland hasn't. Italy hasn't. In fact, some of these countries have more freedoms than we do, certainly have better health care, longer life spans, better neo-natal results, better educational systems, they elect their respective governments. The problem many here have is simple, they have no idea what socialism is. All we see is regurgitated ideological talking points with no relevance due to the inaccuracies in understanding the differences between the ism's.
S/F Gordon GRAYMAN Posted Wed 04 November 2009 07:59 AM I think the point is to slow the progress to socialism. The addage of "well, we already have parts of socialism, so whats a matter with more" is BS. I guess personal liberty doesnt mean squat to some of you. GRAYMAN |
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Another post that clearly demonstrates you have no answers and do not know the difference between the ism's...as I pointed out in a previous post...along with pointing out the number of countries that have stronger socialistic governments and populations and they are doing quite well in any number of categories that exceed our expectations of what a socio-economic system is supposed to look like. Apparently you do not understand...a dog eat dog system is doomed to failure and if you bothered to study a little world and ancient history, it may become apparent to you.
S/F Gordon ____________________________________________
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That's a joke, son. |
Two of them have gone on record showing they can't back up their claim. I would like to see what liberties they have lost do to creeping socialism.
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Another demonstration of someone who clearly does not understand the ism's.
Read the Constitution...the first thing our Founders were concerned about was the safety and welfare of citizens. In no instance did they mention anything about the cost or limitations being placed upon the government to attain the safety and improve the welfare of our citizenry. If They had wanted restrictions to exist, it would have been spelled out. S/F Gordon _______________________________________________ catahoulagill Posted Wed 04 November 2009 01:36 PM There is one "silver lining" to the continued track into socialism. At some point, when too many are collecting FROM the government and not enough producing FOR the government, the REAL change will come when its the government that will pick a job for you and force you to do it. I am sure that most Obama supporters will prefer this change over capitalism. |
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Wonder if you think liberty is in anyway tied to your labor? I know your answer so that is why you won't get it. |
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Originally posted by uh34d:
Wonder what the rest of the Constitution was all about? I assumed (stupid me) that it was to ensure limits were placed on the Government. If they meant what you *think* they would have put in one item and one item only...The government has the responsibility to ensure the safety and well being of the citizenery. But I guess they were not as intelligent as I figured them to be. Because they kept writing, writing, debating, writing and writing. They pulled in all the resources they had at their disposal including their personal experiences and other countries experiences. Looks like another individual who read the Constitution and said to oneself...it is the responsibility of the government to take from those who earn and give to those who yearn. |
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