RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,122086,00.html
I think she should get full punishment. If she had done this out of uniform it would be different. I have nothing against girls who pose, but I can see where she should have drawn a line.

She did nothing wrong, get off her.99.99999% of the country would never have even paid much attention to this if the Air Force left it alone. I served ini the Air Force and did so proudly. Her posing does not affect her work, her ability to do her work, nothing. Even the "uniform" shots, who cares? Its things like this that push people away from all branches of the Service.

I dont have a problem with her poseing,was it in "her" uniform or a prop? her dog tags or a prop? thats realy the question i have to ask..If it was "Her" unifom then theres a problem. What she doe with her body is up to her and if its off duty shouldnt be a problem. umm when is that copy comming out anyway. umm just woundering.?

She could not have been that naive therefore I think it was a deliberate act of subversion on her part. Even had she posed out of uniform she would have been wrong because of the conduct unbecoming article in the UCMJ. She knew before she agreed to do the pictures what kind of *hitstorm she was creating. No matter how much all of the males and lesbians in the Military may enjoy looking at those pictures it causes a degree of disrespect for the oath she gave to honor and defend. As the previous post said throw the book at her.

What can I say-its the Airforce-lol!
Its well known in the Navy/Marine Corps all the women CAN NOT be strippers, pose, etc because of our jobs-period.
The uniform is the icing on the cake.
I think she knew the policy and just wants to make trouble for herself and other females.
I've always hated her kind.

God Bless America! I got your 6, Sarge!

So she posed nude, and what happens she is relieved of duty. Yet we have individuals that are comitting rapes and assaults and what is happening to them, nothing as usual. It's pretty bad when an individual can't walk to the shower at night with out someone with them for protection. If as much time was spent on the assaults, etc, as they are making of this deal the military would be a lot better place.

I don't have a problem with her doing a lay out for Playboy. I'm retired from the Navy and all the the services want to do is hold people back. Were already under paid and she was probably offered some pretty good coin for her pics. Big deal. I think it might be good PR for the Air Force. Some young High School kid see's her and says wow they got some hot women in the Air Force. That's were I'm going. Sounds like a win, win deal to me. Give her a break.

We must uphold the utmost moral standards. Boot Her out now, do not delay this situation, or it will only become worst.She must remain unpopular, for this action

As I said on the other post on this topic, Playboy should be required to give free copies of the issue in question to all of us that are depolyed. We can see what not to do.. Good training..

I'll decide on whether her actions were appropriate after I see the pictures...

I agree with izabanchi 100%. This has been an issue before years ago, and it didn't fly back then. Every service member knows that it doesn't matter if they are in uniform or out, off base or on, working hours or free time, every thing they do is a direct representation of their service in the military to the public.

I've been in for almost 24 years now and just cannot understand how a person could serve for 12 years and not know that stuff like this is out of bounds.

As I said in another thread, they will most likely throw Article 134 at her like the other women who've done similar stuff. The argument will be that her conduct is prejudicial to good order and discipline and discredits the armed forces.

If she's lucky, they'll just give her a general discharge. Others have gotten the Big Chicken Dinner for the same thing she did.

And if she's down at Lackland "training airmen", she's either a TI or another type of instructor. Not good.

She should have known better. She can fight it if she wants, but she's going to lose.

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Originally posted by clean1scene:
RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,122086,00.html
I think she should get full punishment. If she had done this out of uniform it would be different. I have nothing against girls who pose, but I can see where she should have drawn a line.

She wouldn't have gotten away with it out of uniform either, if it had become known that she's an active-duty servicemember.

wow. I'd like to see that. A real SSgt? Thats cool or hot or something. Of course I would only read the articles hahahha. Actually I've found that pictures of real women who actually have a life rather than strutting around in front of cameras a lot better than the other ones. Back when I was still a horndog there used to be a section like that in Hustler magazine where people would send pictures of their wives, girlfriends etc or the women would sent them in too. I used to look at that (of course after I read the articles!) I bet she is in big trouble though. conduct unbecuming an officer or something. I went to college for a while with that Vanessa William ms america woman. (the only one anybody can remember) She was a real person and not just some bimbo making a speech about world peace etc. But she for sure got in trouble and "stripped of her crown" and everything else for that matter hahahah. Actually I dont know what playboy looks like nowdays but they used to be actually rather tasteful (not literally i guess) partially clothed in most then one "full nude" of the woman where you really couldnt see EVERYTHING. Even wives girlfriends etc section of Hustler they didnt really put no dawgs on there so maybe I will pick up a copy of it that worthy "periodical". Wot I say is. If you got it flaunt it women.

This Playboy isn't on the stands yet and the AF and the press know about her posing. This is clearly a publicity issue/stunt. Article 15 for conduct not becomming with the max penalty applied would be appropriate. Let the world know that we operate with a higher standard. She clearly doesn't deserve her stripes.

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She wouldn't have gotten away with it out of uniform either, if it had become known that she's an active-duty servicemember.

I suppose thats the point "out of uniform". Who cares. You know I pics of speech therapist women, a coppette retired from the army, social workers etc. I bet she gets thrown out though, in the puritarian mindset that is rather prevalent.

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Originally posted by clean1scene:
RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,122086,00.html
I think she should get full punishment. If she had done this out of uniform it would be different. I have nothing against girls who pose, but I can see where she should have drawn a line.

She "does not meet the high standards we expect of our Airmen..."?

I think Oscar needs to understand that what an active duty person does on his or her own time, off duty, is their business. And as long as it does not interfere with the performance of one's duties.

I assume it was OK with the Sergeant's husband. If it's good enough with him, then it's good enough for me.

More power to her!

This happened in the Marine Corps some 30 years ago and although you could buy Playboy and Hustler at the PX, women Marines were not allowed to pose for pictures because the Marine Corps expected their troops to maintain high moral standards. Something of a double standard yes, however, military personnel fall under a different set of rules and forfeit some of their rights when they join. They have to live by norms and standards of professionalism, stability and morality that instill faith and confidence in their ability to make life and death decisions.

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Originally posted by ChiefGrumpy:
This Playboy isn't on the stands yet and the AF and the press know about her posing. This is clearly a publicity issue/stunt. Article 15 for conduct not becomming with the max penalty applied would be appropriate. Let the world know that we operate with a higher standard. She clearly doesn't deserve her stripes.

Of course, you're right. But our standards have dropped quite a bit recently...the girls in the civilian world can behave like Paris Hilton and Brittney Spears if they want - but not a GI.

She needs to get busted for this.

Post the pictures,My wife wont let me buy the book

I was out for 4 years between enlistmennts and when I came back in I met a HM who was dropped from HM A school and being discharged because she did a porn video before she joined the Navy. I was standind watch at the TPU barracks in Great Lakes when I met her. I heard the rumors and so I asked her about it. She admitted she done it but it was before she joined the Navy. She didn't think it mattered. It wasn't a video you would find in a store it was a home video that someone had released to the internet. But the result was still the same. My question was what did they do to the person who found it and brought it to their attention. Now you couldn't hide a Playboy photo but a personal or home video that was more questionable to me especially since it was done before enlistment. But we do have our core values of Honor, Courage, Commitment to uphold and something like this SGT has done definitely flies in the face of all previous cases of such nature and why she would put her career on the line for her rights is not too smart. She is married and has 2 children. She is throwing alot away.

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This Playboy isn't on the stands yet and the AF and the press know about her posing. This is clearly a publicity issue/stunt. Article 15 for conduct not becomming with the max penalty applied would be appropriate. Let the world know that we operate with a higher standard. She clearly doesn't deserve her stripes.

I haven't seen much "higher standard" on base. Seems like its lower standard in the women ive seen on base, where you hope to goodness they dont take off their clothes. "show the world we operate with higher standard" Why not show "the world" some american women. I recommend she get a good sound spanking.