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Another study giving credence to the "born gay" theory.

Gay brains structured like those of the opposite sex
11:13 16 June 2008
NewScientist.com news service
Andy Coghlan

Brain scans have provided the most compelling evidence yet that being gay or straight is a biologically fixed trait.

The scans reveal that in gay people, key structures of the brain governing emotion, mood, anxiety and aggressiveness resemble those in straight people of the opposite sex.


The differences are likely to have been forged in the womb or in early infancy, says Ivanka Savic, who conducted the study at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm, Sweden.

"This is the most robust measure so far of cerebral differences between homosexual and heterosexual subjects," she says.

Previous studies have also shown differences in brain architecture and activity between gay and straight people, but most relied on people's responses to sexuality driven cues that could have been learned, such as rating the attractiveness of male or female faces.

Brain symmetry
To get round this, Savic and her colleague, Per Lindström, chose to measure brain parameters likely to have been fixed at birth.

"That was the whole point of the study, to show parameters that differ, but which couldn't be altered by learning or cognitive processes," says Savic.

First they used MRI scans to find out the overall volume and shapes of brains in a group of 90 volunteers consisting of 25 heterosexuals and 20 homosexuals of each gender.

The results showed that straight men had asymmetric brains, with the right hemisphere slightly larger – and the gay women also had this asymmetry. Gay men, meanwhile, had symmetrical brains like those of straight women.

The team next used PET scans to measure blood flow to the amygdala, part of the brain that governs fear and aggression. The images revealed how the amygdala connected to other parts of the brain, giving clues to how this might influence behaviour.

Depression link
They found that the patterns of connectivity in gay men matched those of straight women, and vice versa (see image, above right). In straight women and gay men, the connections were mainly into regions of the brain that manifest fear as intense anxiety.

"The regions involved in phobia, anxiety and depression overlap with the pattern we see from the amygdala," says Savic.

This is significant, she says, and fits with data showing that women are three times as likely as men to suffer from mood disorders or depression. Gay men have higher rates of depression too, she says, but it's difficult to know whether this is down to biology, homophobia or simply feelings of being "different".

In straight men and lesbians, the amygdala fed its signals mainly into the sensorimotor cortex and the striatum, regions of the brain that trigger the "fight or flight" response. "It's a more action-related response than in women," says Savic.

'Striking differences'
"This study demonstrates that homosexuals of both sexes show strong cross-sex shifts in brain symmetry," says Qazi Rahman, a leading researcher on sexual orientation at Queen Mary college, University of London, UK.

"The connectivity differences reported in the amygdala are striking."

"Paradoxically, it's more informative to look at things that have no direct connection with sexual orientation, and that's where this study scores," says Simon LeVay, a prominent US author who in 1991 reported finding differences (pdf) in a part of the brain called the hypothalamus between straight and gay men.

But as Savic herself acknowledges, the study can't say whether the brain differences are inherited, or result from abnormally high or low exposure in the womb to sex hormones such as testosterone.

Journal reference: Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (DOI: 10.1073/pnas.0801566105)
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Gay brains now? Yer schittin me Sea?
 
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Well, I saw this stuff several yrs ago. Interesting. I never thought any sane person would choose to be gay. I believe your born that way.

Can't see some straight guy waking up in the morning and saying 'Damn I think I would like to have some dude pound me in the azz'
 
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Gay brains now? Yer schittin me Sea?


Since no gay gene has been isolated, it screams of desperation to me.

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Well, I saw this stuff several yrs ago. Interesting. I never thought any sane person would choose to be gay. I believe your born that way.

Can't see some straight guy waking up in the morning and saying 'Damn I think I would like to have some dude pound me in the azz'
Gunny, I don’t just believe it, I know it. Now, the “root cause” has yet to be determined just as it states in this article. Little is known as to whether it is a genetic trait or the result of hormonal imbalances in the womb, but couple this with the olfactory study that shows how gay men are affected by smells differently than heterosexual men and you have a compelling case for being “born gay”.

Will this matter? Probably not. People who are vehemently opposed to homosexuals will simply find another basis for their prejudices.
 
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we had a discussion about this in one of my psychology classes. apparently there are hormones that can affect how "feminine" you are based on how much of them you are exposed to in the womb. however, that being said, that doesnt automatically make you gay. i know a lot of more "feminine" men who are straight. so i dunno that this could really be said definitively that gays are gay from birth...
 
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Well, I saw this stuff several yrs ago. Interesting. I never thought any sane person would choose to be gay. I believe your born that way.

Can't see some straight guy waking up in the morning and saying 'Damn I think I would like to have some dude pound me in the azz'
Gunny, I don’t just believe it, I know it. Now, the “root cause” has yet to be determined just as it states in this article. Little is known as to whether it is a genetic trait or the result of hormonal imbalances in the womb, but couple this with the olfactory study that shows how gay men are affected by smells differently than heterosexual men and you have a compelling case for being “born gay”.

Will this matter? Probably not. People who are vehemently opposed to homosexuals will simply find another basis for their prejudices.


Sea, most of us hetero's are not vehemently opposed we just don't want to be forced fed the usual homo agenda bullshite.
 
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Sea, most of us hetero's are not vehemently opposed we just don't want to be forced fed the usual homo agenda bullshite.



I think there are a lot of people who feel as I do. We're willing to accept gay people for what they are, but aren't willing to approve of it.

Isn't acceptance enough? It doesn't seem so, does it?
 
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I think there are a lot of people who feel as I do. We're willing to accept gay people for what they are, but aren't willing to approve of it.

Isn't acceptance enough? It doesn't seem so, does it?


i accept. i do not approve. how is not accepting gonna change anything anyway? people are gonna be who they wanna be no matter what everyone else says. for instance, i am not gonna turn gay just cuz someone tells me that they dont approve of being heterosexual... Roll Eyes
 
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Well, I saw this stuff several yrs ago. Interesting. I never thought any sane person would choose to be gay. I believe your born that way.

Can't see some straight guy waking up in the morning and saying 'Damn I think I would like to have some dude pound me in the azz'
Gunny, I don’t just believe it, I know it. Now, the “root cause” has yet to be determined just as it states in this article. Little is known as to whether it is a genetic trait or the result of hormonal imbalances in the womb, but couple this with the olfactory study that shows how gay men are affected by smells differently than heterosexual men and you have a compelling case for being “born gay”.

Will this matter? Probably not. People who are vehemently opposed to homosexuals will simply find another basis for their prejudices.


I knew of a German study that said that women who carried children through the wars yrs in Germany had a higher rate of gays. I use to rag my german friend who was born in 45 with that and he had read it too.

About prejudice, doesnt matter people have every right to not like anyones lifestyle they want whther homo or hetero. People who like doing animals are probably born that way too. And no I am not saying I classify gays in that same group of of depravity.

I agree with the others do all the homoizing that you want, just leave me out. I accept the fact that there are gays and they're human but dont approve either, moreso dont care. I dont need to be beat down with that lifestyle, in all aspects of life. Most think that 10% of the population in gay but the media and its zeal to portray gays as everywhere makes one think that they are 50%. Gays have a over representation in the media, and it gets tiresome.
 
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....and you would think their azz's getting pounded everyday would be tiresome too. Roll Eyes
 
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....and you would think their azz's getting pounded everyday would be tiresome too. Roll Eyes


Bored out comes to mind. Probably have to shim it up.
 
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When they get tired of the sore azz syndrome they can smoke cigars.
 
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gator,

Do you know a good home inspector in the Summerville area?
 
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Do you know a good home inspector in the Summerville area?



Sure, there's a few
 
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Do you know a good home inspector in the Summerville area?



Sure, there's a few


shoot me an email bro! I was hoping you knew one personally that had his shiatzu together.
 
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Do you know a good home inspector in the Summerville area?



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shoot me an email bro! I was hoping you knew one personally that had his shiatzu together.


just make sure you remember to ask him how his brain is structured Razz Wink Big Grin
 
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SC doesn't allow homosexual offenders as housing inspector's, the state says they do a substandard job. Wink
 
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hmm...are they spending too much time looking at the decor instead of inspecting what they are supposed to? Razz
 
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To busy looking at the guys azz next door while he's cutting his grass, once they get wood its hard for them to do their job.
 
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