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If the information that is given by the phone companies is incorrect then they SHOULD BE SUED for every penny they have! As for the other - there are already provisions to protect witnesses - it is called the Witness Protection program. Geese! Oh and as for the "Islamofacists" WHHHHOOOOOE I AM SO SCARED OF THEM TAKING OVER THE WORLD! Fat Chance! I am more afraid of our current administration getting us into a shooting war with half the world than they will take over the world at the moment. | |||
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no they should not be sued.... and if they know they might get sued they might not tell of a possible threat that does pan out.... no they need to be immune from prosecution... | |||
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And that sir is denying the right to civil redress for harm done to a citizen. And yes they should also be liable to criminal prosecution, but I forgot you expouse the right of the Imperial Federal Government to do anything it pleases and the citizen has no rights for redress. You have no concept of freedom, and liberty, and rights. Sad! Frisco | |||
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well unless you convert i would be worried.... and it is starting all over Europe.... just read some of these threads shara law being requested in England France and Spain are on their way also... it wont be a all of a sudden thing but over time it will .... well if it dosent get put in its place first.... but then again few though hitler wouldnt try to take over the world either and they wernt worried about it too much....well till their country fell to him and the nazis... | |||
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citizens??? we are talking about terrorist and their supporters.... | |||
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Yes I know, and I am talking about ANY phone call made to or from the confines of the U.S. and if it involves a U.S. Citizen or not for that matter on this side then there HAS to be resonable protections as guaranteed by the Constitution that would require a warrant to be issued by proof of probable cause BEFORE ANY phone call is tapped and reasonable assurences that if in the course of an Investigation a mistake is made by the phone companies that they would be open to both criminal a civil prosecution. Our Constitutional protections for both citizens and non-citizens (within the borders of the U.S.) must remain in force or we are no better than the terrorist. Frisco | |||
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ahh so now you are flipping it changing the subject of it... ahh ok ... | |||
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It absolutely could not have been said better! Bravo! | |||
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A legitimate search warrant would make them immune. What's wrong with that? | |||
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BINGO...If one looks at what the Nazi Government did after the Reighstadt fire and what the Bush Administration did after 9/11 one will find some terrible similarities. No one is comparing the Nazi's holocaust to our war on terror, but the Policies these governments followed to "Protect" their citizens after a national tragedy are very real and very similiar. So a big **** YOU, to all the facists out there who want to steal our freedoms because of some hysterial coward rants about "security" lock up the damn border first...LOL ITS ALL A DAMN JOKE....and the more stupid people there are to buy it the closer to reality it will get. | |||
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Thank You you said it well!! Better than I have been able to word it. Frisco | |||
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no its not a joke...not one bit... 9\11 was real and there is a real threat and they are plotting and planing waiting for an opening.... | |||
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naw pretty much the same stale hate filled crap you have been spurting yourself... | |||
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Of course there are vast differences here. But 9/11 was a HUGE event that was used as a catalyst for future endeavors. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_Fire_Decree
There were terrorists in Nazi Germany too, except they were jewish communist and the masses were thrown into hysteria...Sound familiar?
There it is again, mass hysteria and fear used to seize unquestioned authority...
Most of those things do not apply to us, the Facists in the Bush Administration know it would be suicide to attempt, but they did try and continue too:
Lets Listen to Adolph Hitlers right hand man, Hermann Goring:
So you see, They were telling the Germans "Don't worry, if you're not providing aid and comfort to the enemy this does not apply to you" and that is why many Americans oppose ANY restrictions on our freedoms no matter how small because of external threats. Lets continue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933
It even has a name no one would dare argue against...Kind of like the Patriot Act.
May deviate from the constitution so long as....
Article 68 and 77 of the Constitution do not apply to laws enacted by the Reich government.....There it is again....Slowly but surely the constitution is being ripped and gutted, for the protection of the state and people of course.
Shall not require the approval of the bodies of the legislature....Its becoming quite obvious isn't it?
You guys ever heard of Presidential Directive 51? Here is a short clip that explains what the Bush Administration wants incase of another "National Emergency": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjZymcRfDTs (Please watch the clip despite it being on devil-youtube its footage from CSPAN) Here is what I am trying to say: The Bush Administration has indeed tried to strip Americans from basic rights by using hysterical paranoid fear-mongering rants....This is the same strategy the Nazi Government used to strip their citizens of basic rights, unfortunately they did not have 24/7 information at their finger tips and had to "trust" their government...After all, the German people were under seize after the reighstag fire Its the same crap...Fear Tactics, unnecessary laws that ONLY benefit the government, the vilification of an outside "enemy" to muster support, "Homeland Defense"?? The Nazi's originated that stupid term... One day i belive, when i'm too old to read this text the truth will show the Bush Administration had a different agenda planned for America. This is not a Bush bash, he is too much of a simpleton, its the men behind the veil I worry about. | |||
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That might be true except for one small item you've forgotten: This war won't end any time soon. There is no sense of urgency in our strategy to win it and, in fact, it has been deliberately planned to take AT LEAST a generation to complete, if not longer. Back in the initial days, we even heard the term "perpetual war," bandied about. During that amount of time, a whole new generation of citizens will have been born, come to adulthood and never know what's been lost. They'll have no memory of days when government didn't have the power to watch everything you do. It'll just be dry history to them and those who do remember will mostly be dead. What do you think the likelihood is that our liberties would return when so few alive then will even know what they were? Therein lies the real danger. Were we committed to doing everything necessary to win the war in the shortest possible time, I would agree with you. But, we're not and that changes the dynamics of the question IF you care about the kind of nation your kids and grandkids will live in after you're gone. Which is more important? Your safety, or their liberty? | |||
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Any right once surrendered is VERY hard to recover and just makes it easier for the government to take away more rights. | |||
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And the FISA law does not even require that the warrant be obtained BEFORE starting the tap. I forget exactly how long they have but they have something like 2 or 3 days after starting a tap before they have to submit the request for a warrant. There has NEVER been any delay with FISA that was NOT caused by the agencies themselves. A couple of the primary causes of delay have been: * Making a lot of requests after the courts forced the Bush Admin to follow the law * No training, etc. on how to submit a FISA request resulting in a large number of requests that needed to be modified by the submitting agencyThis message has been edited. Last edited by: rayld2, | |||
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Are you calling me unintelligent because I use my constitutional rights to question my government when I consider it wrong? Are you so blind as not to see to comparisons that I am talking about? The Nazi party changed and made laws under the facade of protecting the people of Germany from these others who main purpose was to destroy Germany. I wasn't talking about death camps and genocide. But to create the laws that started those the government of Germany first had to make their people believe that their financial woes were the fault of the Jews and Communists. I am not a dumb as you may think I am, and when it comes to history I am quite well read. | |||
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Okay, lets give him this right to violate the constitution and totally invade our privacy. Guess what, next year he isn't president anymore and there will be a new sheriff in town. That sheriff may just be Obama. OMG are we going to give that right to a left wing almost commie, who is accused of being a hidden islamofacist. Do you think he might just start tapping all phone calls in and out of all Christian churches in our nation. After all, it is becoming down right illegal to be a Christian. This will make it real easy to round em all up and feed them to the lions. | |||
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People act like their lives will change if the government wiretaps. | |||
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(I'd be a LOT more concerned about handing that kind of power to Hillary.) | |||
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too bad they have done no such thing... what you are talking about never has happen it is all just in your mind.... it is called paranoid delusional ....accept it it is a part of your life now.... and just remember it isnt as you think it is.... | |||
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What's next? What right that we have isn't so important that we don't mind giving it up for security? Our guns, our religions? Beware of the kool aid. | |||
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Again, how does wiretapping hurt you? | |||
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and how have you given up anything??? for one space is concedered public property and you have no private right to it and informantion traveling from one point to another goes through space which is public property and not private... there fore you have no rights to privacy in space which is where your info goes into billions of little partials in which any receiver tuned to a certain frequency can receive.... so you have lost no rights because you never had any privacy rights to public space.... | |||
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Folks don't bother with outlaw, I have tried to reason with him for months and he accuses me of hate. The word of the government to him is the word of God and it is going to be people who blindly accept what they are told by the goverment that are going to be the destruction of this country. I give up on him. I like Dr. Franklin will not give up liberty to have security so I will continue speak against the administration or any other administration that choses to ignore the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Outlaw if you want to know what rights we have lost why don't you read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, if I have to tell you what we have lost then - well maybe our nation is beyond hope! Frisco | |||
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* How does taking away hand guns hurt anyone? * How does restricting the purchase and ownership of hunting weapons hurt anyone? * How does making people take a test to be allowed to vote hurt anyone? * How does allowing the government to force you to sell your property to a private business so they can make a profit hurt anyone. After all they paid you "market" value? * How would being able to arrest someone with out a warrant hurt anyone? After all once YOU PROVE your innocent they would release you wouldn't they? etc. etc. etc. | |||
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They wont have to prove you guilty.So the logic follows that you'd have to prove yourself innocent. Fat Fn chance sez I. "Thank you, for your support." - Bartles & Jaymes | |||
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I remember when that wiretapping news first came out, I actually thought for a second about what I should say over the phone... Is that America?.... Better yet, why don't we just implant electronic tracking chips on every US Citizen, no objections to this so long as were safe right? | |||
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