What????

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Originally posted by PeteCDR:
According to him, real men get their training through Spike TV and paintball ranges.

you need a kleenex petey?...wipe your nose off

Pocket--

No, it's just shows those here that you are:

1. A wanna-be that will never be
2. A know it all about things you know nothing about
3. A liberal, let the enemy win at all cost, run and cover, love the bad guy "American"


Now man up and tell the truth here--you aren't planning on joining--that's just your poser line to be here.

Goldwing, correct me if I'm wrong, but we could have had the most PERFECT plans in the world and they would have been shot to h3ll five minutes after the balloon goes up. Am I right?

Pocket, I've never been in a shooting war, but I have RESPECTED & LEARNED from men that have. You CAN'T do that by antagoizing them or pretending you know better.

When you have a profile that matches Goldwings' comeback and tell us you feel the same!

If military experience was necessary to qualify for politics, Things might be better.
However, that is a moot point, because it is not a requirement in this country, nor has it ever been.
If it did, it would make congress almost a ghost town.

When it comes to discussing politics, especially concerning strategic reasons to be involved in a particular conflict, non servers have just as much right to have their say as the saltiest veteran.

If the personal exchanges do not cease, I will close this thread.


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In an effort to bring this back on track, what do you have to say about Senator Inouye's remarks concerning the war in Iraq, Top?

Thursday, June 22, 2006
Washington , D.C. — U.S. Senator Daniel K. Inouye voted in support of the Kerry and Levin Amendments to the Defense Authorization bill. His statement is set forth below:

“I voted in favor of a phased redeployment of troops from Iraq. I voted in favor of calling upon the Bush Administration to come up with a clear and cohesive plan which allows us to leave the battlefield with honor.

“This is not about ‘cut and run’ as President Bush has stated. We have been in Iraq for over three years – more than 2500 brave American men and women in uniform have died, and thousands of others have been seriously injured. There is no such thing as ‘cut and run’ in a war, and those of us who have put on the uniform and have shed blood know this all too well.

“How many more body bags need to come home before this White House acknowledges that ‘staying the course’ or not ‘cutting and running’ is no military strategy. As one of 100 U.S. senators who have the heart-wrenching duty of deciding when to commit our nation to war and to send our precious sons and daughters into harms way, I cannot in good conscience continue to condone sending our armed forces to the battlefield without a clear plan to win peace and to begin a responsible withdrawal of our troops from Iraq. It’s time to come home,” Senator Inouye stated.

Navy---

all plans and opertions change once the first boot hits the ground---you can either quit and surrender of change the plan and continue the missio. Pocket will never try.

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Originally posted by goldenwings:
Navy---

all plans and operstions change once the first boot hits the ground---you can either quit and surrender of change the plan and continue the missio. Pocket will never try.

My point exactly....

USAF---

Yes, all have a right to voice an opinion, but there are two types of opinions--

1. Those opinions that use first hand experience as the basis of that opinion

2. Opinions that are based on emotions and like and dislikes

Which do you think holds more water in the scheme of life?

Go ahead and close it---I hate threats--you either do it or don't---that's leadership

Are you really still blaming me for saying we shouldve had a plan (or atleast a better plan) for post saddam iraq? Do you need to serve in the military to understand you need a plan if your going to rebuild a country? that was all i said. well all i said at first.

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Originally posted by goldenwings:
pocket--look real good at that profile of mine--its real and been verified----anytime!!!!

You're such a puss lightweight wannabe.

I am NOT a leader. I am a moderator. It is my responsibility to see that topics stay roughly on track, and that people have a fair say.

We are discussing politics and rationale for this war in this thread. What one might have done and experienced really does not translate into being a foreign policy guru, nor an expert on political opinions or reasons.

I would never dream of disputing you on a matter of military tactics. However, in the realm of this forum it is all about discussing opinions. BTDT has very little to do with discussing the reasons pro and con about this war.

I do not accept that you need to be completely in agreement with a particular viewpoint about this conflict to be a good American, or that criticisms about it somehow makes you an enemy.

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Originally posted by USAF_76_2_80:
I do not accept that you need to be completely in agreement with a particular viewpoint about this conflict to be a good American, or that criticisms about it somehow makes you an enemy.

Not ever saying that one wants our guys to win kinda does.

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Originally posted by SSgtRobertMorris:

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Originally posted by USAF_76_2_80:
I do not accept that you need to be completely in agreement with a particular viewpoint about this conflict to be a good American, or that criticisms about it somehow makes you an enemy.

Not ever saying that one wants our guys to win kinda does.

"Winning". What constitutes that in Iraq? If history has shown us anything where the Middle East is concerned, the only "winners" had to resort to tactics that the Mongols and Turkic tribes like the Seljuqs used.
Do you think that a majority of people in the USA would agree to that?

What do you have to say about Senator Daniel K. Inouye's statement, then? Is he not a patriot?

He's brain damaged, just like McCain.

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Originally posted by SSgtRobertMorris:
He's brain damaged, just like McCain.

Sheesh. What would you be saying if someone made that remark about Colonel Day?

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Originally posted by USAF_76_2_80:
I am NOT a leader. I am a moderator. It is my responsibility to see that topics stay roughly on track, and that people have a fair say.

We are discussing politics and rationale for this war in this thread. What one might have done and experienced really does not translate into being a foreign policy guru, nor an expert on political opinions or reasons.

I would never dream of disputing you on a matter of military tactics. However, in the realm of this forum it is all about discussing opinions. BTDT has very little to do with discussing the reasons pro and con about this war.

I do not accept that you need to be completely in agreement with a particular viewpoint about this conflict to be a good American, or that criticisms about it somehow makes you an enemy.

Oddball, you ain't moderatin' when you say let's bring it back on topic and throw in something that is not on topic (What does Daniel Inouye's opinion have to do with the title of this thread - Bud Day's opinion? Trying to pit one MOH recipient against another???). I agree with the Master Gunny. Do it or don't. But don't threaten unless you have a plan to do it.

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Originally posted by PeteCDR:

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Originally posted by USAF_76_2_80:
I am NOT a leader. I am a moderator. It is my responsibility to see that topics stay roughly on track, and that people have a fair say.

We are discussing politics and rationale for this war in this thread. What one might have done and experienced really does not translate into being a foreign policy guru, nor an expert on political opinions or reasons.

I would never dream of disputing you on a matter of military tactics. However, in the realm of this forum it is all about discussing opinions. BTDT has very little to do with discussing the reasons pro and con about this war.

I do not accept that you need to be completely in agreement with a particular viewpoint about this conflict to be a good American, or that criticisms about it somehow makes you an enemy.

Oddball, you ain't moderatin' when you say let's bring it back on topic and throw in something that is not on topic (What does Daniel Inouye's opinion have to do with the title of this thread - Bud Day's opinion? Trying to pit one MOH recipient against another???). I agree with the Master Gunny. Do it or don't. But don't threaten unless you have a plan to do it.

I am interested in this thread, and I am not going to allow it to turn into an insult exchange.

C'mon, Pete. The original topic is about what Colonel Day had to say about people who don't agree with his opinion about this war. It isn't about what the Master Guns has to say about some kid that disagrees with him.

Colonel Day gave a polemical speech in which he mentions the "Truth" about the reasons for this war, and his chief credentials seems to be that he is a highly decorated combat vet, true?
Senator Inouye is not in agreement with him, and has as much or more credibility when it comes to reasons to fight. It definitely has a connection to the topic subject, and is a valid rebuttal to what the honored Colonel Day has to say.

USAF--

I see by your post that you are another that is more willing to cut and run saying we can't win---no wonser you want me to back off pocket.

You're right, the American people, for the most part, haven't the stomach to do what needs to done to win--even you.

and oh, by the by--I too, have a full combat history and an opinion on this war. I have also served in Iraq and had a son that served in Iraq---now tell me again, that it's better we quit and lose.

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Originally posted by goldenwings:
USAF--

I see by your post that you are another that is more willing to cut and run saying we can't win---no wonser you want me to back off pocket.

You're right, the American people, for the most part, haven't the stomach to do what needs to done to win--even you.

and oh, by the by--I too, have a full combat history and an opinion on this war.

I am not one to say cut and run, Gary, I have always said we should have never gotten into this misadventure in Iraq in the first place. The true key to fighting the terrorists was to settle the issue in Afghanistan.(Remember Bin Ladin?)

The reason support has fallen so sharply is that what is being done has turned out to be the wrong thing, and people can see that it is.

Oddball, if I decided that I wanted to cite Admiral Stockdale and what he would have said, I would be laughed right out of here (mostly because he has passed away). But I am sure he, too, had an opinion on the subject. That is why there are so many different threads to choose from. Look at all the space devoted to Murtha, another "combat hero" (yeah, right!) but nobody gives him any real credence to this subject.

If you wish to entertain the idea that Senator Inouye disagrees with Col. Day, then maybe you or whoever is interested should open a thread devoted to that. I don't think that comparing the two in this particular forum, which by its title is dedicated to Col. Day, is appropriate. I happen to agree with Col. Day and disagree with Sen. Inouye. And I think that opining on Col. Day's statement is the point of this thread.