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Military.com Forums Hot Topics & Current Events Point-Counterpoint Medal Of Honor Recipient Col. Bud Day On The Liberal’s “War On America”|
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the occupation has become the game. how long did it take to overthrow saddams forces? a month? the 4 years after that have all been the occupation, since your going sports analogies that's like planning for the first inning of a baseball game and hoping the rest just goes ok. that might be fine for baseball but i dont think it is very smart in a war. It just seems to me over planning would be better than under planning right? We had a window of opportunity in 2003 to possibly not have to go threw X amount of years of more combat, shouldnt we have done everything possible to make that happen? And i don't believe in ww2 we werent planning any kind of occupation plan until the war was over. I'm not trying to make this into anything personal, I respect you for having served, and I'm going to recruit training soon, and probably will be going to iraq, assuming i make it through recruit training. I just don't think we had a good strategy for after the quick initial invasion. |
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"God Save The American States" |
it is not an occupation when the gov of that country has asked us to be there...
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why argue semantics |
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The problem with this and a few wars in the past is we have civilians (congress and senate) trying to run the wars and not listening to the Generals or more to the point the Military about how to win and then remove ourselves. We don't need more Civilians telling our military how to go to win and withdraw from the war. We saw how that went in Nam didn't we? Yep let the Civilians run the war and we are in trouble as always.
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That's true and from the start we have had people with no combat experience making all the decisions. I think that has changed now and is the reason we are seeing such good results. |
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Pocket--
Read your last post and then look at what you are doing---You have no combat experience, no military experience and yet you are telling us, me included (and I have more experience than I believe you will ever have) how we should have gone to war. You sir, are just another in a long line of Camp Livingroom, Armchair Generals--- From what I have read from your post, you will not have a good time in recruit training--you will believe you know more than those training you or your will let your anti-war feelings come through. Personally, I don't believe you will ever take that ride. I;d like to see you at a vbase like scania telling those soldiers that they are just involved in Occupation and not a shooting war---you'd get your *** kicked and become the laughing stock at chow.  |
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Far East Ambassador and Cultural Liason Has Been 4  |
MGunz,
Good to see you back. S/F! |
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Gunny
Glad to be back--see you guys were having aparty or something and let loads of libs and lets lose the war types in to stink up the place. |
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so you advocate only planning for the first month we are there, and then hoping for the best the rest of the years we are there? Hmmmm seems like hoping for the best in the first month and planning the rest would actually be smarter, and save lives. Or we could do the most logical thing and plan for both. I dont understand how you could possibly argue that we shouldnt have a plan for the occupation that is going on 4 years now. and do tell where did i say there isnt shooting in an occupation? there obviously has been plently of that. If you just dont like me calling it an occupation well call it whatever you want, more semantics. |
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Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engine intakes. Suspended. 3 days 23 Sept. 2008 USAF_76 |
Because it isn't semantics. It is hard data. |
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Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engine intakes. Suspended. 3 days 23 Sept. 2008 USAF_76 |
Really? You mean kinda like what you are trying to do??? Oh, for the want of a mirror for this lad. |
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Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engine intakes. Suspended. 3 days 23 Sept. 2008 USAF_76 |
I wonder how this guy would like Navy SERE training...
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Pocket---
You ever plan a military combat operation? How about a simple recon patrol deep into enemy territory? Guess what? I have many times and guess what---???? We plan on how to get into the area, what equipment we need, what personnel, what supplies, the patrol route, the comm, the insertion, the extraction, etc--but we never plan of what we are going to do once we are back in base after completing the mission, except to begin planning on the next operation. Planning on what we are going to do once the war is over is a fluid thing that depends on what the situation is at given points of time during the overall war--- In WWII--the plan was to occupy both Japan and Germany and begin building a democratic form of government. We are in the final stages of war in one battle of the GWOT of which Iraq is but one battle--making plans for the end of the war are far away. |
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yes and would you like me running the county? or prefer people with experience? I would want people with combat experience planning wars, and occupations which I dont think happened. This is how we got rumsfeld and wolfowitz saying 100,00 troops was too many. |
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Pete---
right on the money--- |
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does it ****ing matter what we call it? |
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Pocket--
Why don't you man up and admit that you are a phony and have no plans at all to join up? You are just another antiwar dick here to stir the pot. |
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The troops call it war and combat---but then I guess you know more than they do--right???
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Isnt planning for a recon mission slightly different from planning for an invasion and the inevitable occupation that would follow? answer me this, why wouldn't we want to be as prepared as we could be for the relatively quick initial overthrow of saddams forces and the lengthy occupation? Why would we only want to be prepared for the quick thing and not give too much thought to the lengthy thing? |
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no i would say it is a war. the occupation is just part of the war. the long part. |
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Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engine intakes. Suspended. 3 days 23 Sept. 2008 USAF_76 |
Master Gunny, the boy will never man up. The first time an adversary raises their weapon to him, he will piss his pants, shove his thumb in his mouth, cry "I want my mommy" and ball up in the fetal position in a corner.
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